Schiano influence spreads to Arkansas
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He'll get his interview. Ironically I was Just watching the 06 louisville game (BTN).
I have come to the conclusion that if anyone still knocks the guy after what he did here, either doesn't have a clue or is a troll or both.
I won't call those who dislike Schiano trolls but will point out: Dennis Dodd of CBS pointed out Greg was Michigan's secong choice for their HC position in his article putting Schiano in the mix for the Illi HC job
Also before anyone is interviewed or officially contacted about possible interview, third parties set up ( unofficially) what it might take before serious talk starts.
Schiano could have hdf schools interested in him, but because Schiano didn't feel it was a good fit declined going past the third party stage or the school wasn't willing to meet some of his demands.and going past the third party stage of talks ended by them.
Don't think Greg won't have a list of things he feels necessary to be put in place in order for him to succeed and don't think some schools won't end the third party conversations if they can't meet Greg's guidelines to start the conversation officially.
Greg, until the Tamps money runs out, probably has been a little more picky on how good a fit he feels a schools is for him and his family , then if that Tampa money wasn't there
But that's just my opinion
Robb Smith is suppose to be a defensive genius only because of a Greg Schiano. Schiano build the defense over 8 years. The great defense of 2005-2007 was Schiano. Robb Smith came to Rutgers in 2009 and was only the defense coordinator at Rutgers in 2012. Yes, Schiano created Robb Smith, or made him as he is today, and Robb would probably admit it.
So many stupid Rutgers fans trying to say Schiano can not recruit or don't want to give him credit for the defense and they are ridiculous. The 2012 defense was the last year of Schiano influence and we pretty much won every game due to our defense. The following years, 2013-2014, the defense was one of the worst in Rutgers history.
So many stupid Rutgers fans trying to say Schiano can not recruit or don't want to give him credit for the defense and they are ridiculous. The 2012 defense was the last year of Schiano influence and we pretty much won every game due to our defense. The following years, 2013-2014, the defense was one of the worst in Rutgers history.
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I will never understand how any fan of Rutgers football would take swipes at Schiano. He, like any other coach, had his flaws. But to be dismissive of him and his tremendous accomplishments at Rutgers is perplexing.
Actually, Michigan would have been a terrible choice since their fans wouldn't give him enough time to make the necessary changes, same as a Rod Rodriguez. There would be too many judgmental fans who also expect 9-11 every year. Only Harbough would satisfy these fans and be given the time to make his changes. Virginia or Illinois would be more accepting of 6-8 wins a season.
But he promised a National Championship when he was hired ( as some have said in past )
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You're probably right and I'm sure there are some of the Wolverine faithful that remember he almost was the Michigan HC before RR , but took himself out of the running after (it was said) he was offered the job by the Michigan AD .
Name all the great or even good coaches that have a .500 record in college a .344 record in the NFL and haven't worked in almost 2 years.
I will hang up and listen. No hyperbole or opinions please. Just give me the names.
I will hang up and listen. No hyperbole or opinions please. Just give me the names.
You pretty much described Bill Parcells after his first 2 years as Head Coach of the Giants
I will always give him the lion's share of respect for what he did for Rutgers. Yes, he was a micro-manager which I think is why he had such a coaching carousel of assistants. If there was one valid question about his coaching ability, I would say it was game time decisions when things seemed to not be working out. I do not think we would be where we are today had he not been on the banks since the administration didn't seem to have a clue most of the time.
I also agree that Michigan would have ended badly. He needs the kind of school like we were to be ultimately successful. Illinois is a perfect match I would think. Interestingly, I read in one of the recent articles that their facilities were really not all that good. I was surprised that a long time BIG school hasn't spent some of that $$$$ fixing it.
I also agree that Michigan would have ended badly. He needs the kind of school like we were to be ultimately successful. Illinois is a perfect match I would think. Interestingly, I read in one of the recent articles that their facilities were really not all that good. I was surprised that a long time BIG school hasn't spent some of that $$$$ fixing it.
You might be new to this whole "Rutgers Football" thing but we had the indisputable worst program in all of major college football. We had a small stadium, garbage facilities, no fan base, nothing but a dreadful recent history, etc. The fact that he had a .500 record is not something to downplay. Sure he beat plenty of tomatoe cans but also had a conference slate consisting of teams that had considerably more juice. Pitt, Cuse, BC, WVU, Miami, VaTech, etc.
Perspective.
I don't have time to dig in. Nick Saban had a pretty shabby record at Michigan State (34-24-1) before going to LSU and doing well for 5 years, and then bombing at Miami. But he did not take 2 years off. And I am not saying Greg is Nick Saban.
The leading candidate for the a Illinois Head Coaching position, PJ Fleck, has a record of 9-16 as a head coach. blows your theory.
Mike Riley was just hired by Nebraska and is claimed a good great coach with a 52% winning % in college and done a lot worse at the NFL at 29% winning percentage in the NFL.
There another Big Ten Head coaching position filled at Wisconsin with Paul Chyrst career college record .500 %.
You just don't know college football.
Mike Riley was just hired by Nebraska and is claimed a good great coach with a 52% winning % in college and done a lot worse at the NFL at 29% winning percentage in the NFL.
There another Big Ten Head coaching position filled at Wisconsin with Paul Chyrst career college record .500 %.
You just don't know college football.
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Plus we need to consider his first few years of building the infrastructure and talent level...he sold the vision..which wasn't easy.
he wasn't the second choice this past year. he was the second choice to rich rod. he really wouldn' had to make a lot of changes
Yes, Schiano did a good job at RU, but it's not like what he did was unique. Programs get turned around all the time in college football and basketball. Even dreadful programs.
I was frustrated with Schiano post 2006 but I thought by the end he had finally assembled the correct staff and had gained the necessary reputation to take the program to an elite level. And then he left. I don't blame him. On the contrary, only an idiot would have stayed. At the time, I was excited about a new face to lead the program. I mistakenly believed that we would step up and bring in a big name. I should have known better. Flood is learning but I am underwhelmed by him. I would take Schiano back in a second and there are a lot of programs out there that would love to have him. He has very selective the last 2 years -- only going after big time jobs. He will surface again next year and will be a big time winner within a few years.
Oh, I think a lot of people would agree that Rutgers was a pretty unique situation. Major State University with an enrollment above 30,000 (or is it 40,000?), played in first college football game, but toiled in obscurity and mediocrity , and at rock bottom when Greg took over.
On another note, Marrone made a pretty interesting move. Kept $4 million, and went to coach OL at the Jaguars:
http://jacksonville.com/sports/foot...ocused-being-jaguars-line-coach-not-whirlwind
The fact that we played in the first college football game is irrelevant. Again, rags to riches turnarounds happen all the time in sports. Some seem to see this one in a brighter light because it was our turnaround, which is understandable. I'm just pointing out that it happens elsewhere, too.
You're a working live one, aren't you :eek:
Belichick's first year as the Browns' HC wasn't very good and he left there with a .450 winning percentage.
Schiano's replacement didn't do that well last season, might be more than Greg that made Tampa a loser.
But when it comes to building a program , Schiano has proved he can.
Gameday coaching is what many ( including myself) feel Greg needs to prove he can be good at.
Schiano should, and will, go into the Rutgers Football Hall of Fame. Period. What he did to raise the build the RU football program was amazing.
On the other hand, is micro-managing MIGHT have started to limit the ceiling of what he could accomplish at RU. I am not happy with HOW he left (stripping RU of almost all its coaches 10 days before signing day), but in the long run his departure may end up being good for the RU football program.
And his luster WOULD have taken a hit after the 2012 season ... Does anyone REALLY think RU's defense would have been good in 2013 after losing all those starters from 2012? And he was never a very good offensive-oriented coach. Thus his opportunity for a big NFL payday was at that moment.
On the other hand, is micro-managing MIGHT have started to limit the ceiling of what he could accomplish at RU. I am not happy with HOW he left (stripping RU of almost all its coaches 10 days before signing day), but in the long run his departure may end up being good for the RU football program.
And his luster WOULD have taken a hit after the 2012 season ... Does anyone REALLY think RU's defense would have been good in 2013 after losing all those starters from 2012? And he was never a very good offensive-oriented coach. Thus his opportunity for a big NFL payday was at that moment.
This was not your average turn around story. RU was on the verge of giving up playing d1 football, there were anywhere up 10 to 15 d1aa programs ahead of ru. No tradition, no facilities - well facilities equaling something you would see from the 70s or 80s, recruiting very poor, no academic support, players losing eligibility and a very small fan base in a bad conference.
Schiano changed it all.
Schiano changed it all.
Well, there is Louisville. They've had an amazing rise.
But I can't argue against Schiano. The man took a program with six winning seasons from 1980 to 2005, and made it into a contender.
His game time decisions were extremely questionable. He ran the wildcat for a YEAR, even when it clearly wasn't working. He worked his players so hard that they were exhausted before the first game. But he made us a contender. He made people care. Every single person who wants us to be winning every recruiting battle against the national champs, against historic programs like Penn State and Michigan, after only one year in the B1G, they're deluding themselves. But the only reason they have the ability to do so is because of Schiano. Because Schiano made that impossible thought seems not only possible, but plausible.
I'm impressed with Flood. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd rather have a solid, respectable football program that I can be proud of, on and off the field, than a football program that wins plenty, but then goes down in flames from players flunking out, standing on dining hall tables and cursing, raping, etc. My life is influenced more by the value of my degree than the record of my football program. Do I want to see Rutgers on top of the Big Ten, crushing everyone in their way on their journey to the National Championship? Hell yes. But is that more important to me than integrity? Hell no. I'm impressed with Flood because not only is he capable of leading a program with integrity and academics, but because he clearly doesn't have an ego problem stopping him from learning from his mistakes. He was handed the keys to a very nice sports car with the equivalent of a probationary drivers license. I'm impressed with how he's learning to drive. But without Schiano, that car would likely still be a Ford Pinto.
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- Oregon and Wisconsin made impressive gains in the last decade. It can be done here too with the right visionary leader....not saying HCKF can't but he seems to lack the fire?? I'll watch our progress and recruiting a little more because I like him and want him to succeed. A fine man in most tangible ways with character.
That Wisconsin turnaround started under Barry Alvarez in 1990--26 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Alvarez
Oregon was always middling (but not dreadful) under Rich Brooks, and Mike Belloti got them on the wining track, and it got nuts under Chip Kelly and the Nike money. . . .
Here are just some instances off the top of my head. The quotes are from the coaches' bios on Wikipedia.
Howard Schnellenberger
"Schnellenberger arrived to a Miami program that was on its last legs, with the program having almost been dropped by the university just a few years prior...He coached Miami to a national championship in 1983, defeating Nebraska in the Orange Bowl."
Bill Snyder
"When Snyder was hired at K-State for the first time on November 24, 1988, he inherited a situation that was several times worse than the one he'd found when he arrived in Iowa with Fry. Kansas State had a cumulative record of 299–510 (.370) in 93 years of play, which was easily the most losses of any team in Division I-A at the time. The school had been to only one bowl game (the 1982 Independence Bowl), had not won a conference title since 1934 and had enjoyed four winning seasons in the previous 44 years (including two in the previous 34 years). The program had also not won a game since October 1986, going 0-26-1 in that time.
Prior to Snyder's first season in 1989, Sports Illustrated published an article about Kansas State football entitled "Futility U," which labeled the school "America's most hapless team...During the 1998 season, Kansas State posted an undefeated 11–0 regular season and earned its first ever number 1 ranking in the national polls, just ten years after being named the worst program in the country by Sports Illustrated, before finishing 11–2."
Barry Alvarez
"In 1990, Alvarez was named head coach of the Wisconsin Badgers. He inherited a program that had not had a winning season since 1984, and had only won seven games in Big Ten Conference play in that time.
Considering the awful state of the program he'd inherited, Alvarez engineered a very quick return to respectability. After only winning eleven games in his first three seasons (including a 1-10 record in his first year), the Badgers steamrolled through the 1993 season, notching a 10–1–1 mark and their first Rose Bowl appearance since 1963, along with only the second bowl win in school history. During his tenure, the Badgers won or shared three Big Ten titles and played in three Rose Bowls (1994, 1999 and 2000), winning all three of them. He also led the Badgers to 11 bowl games; before his arrival they had been to only six bowls in their entire history. The 1998 team notched the first 11-win season in school history, while the 1999 team won the school's first outright Big Ten title in 37 years."
Good examples, but no more recent examples except for Snyder at Kansas State? I did not realize K State was in such poor shape when he took over. What is more impressive is he went 11-0 and got a #1 ranking.
Schnellenberger did it twice--Miami and Louisville (where's pushupman?)--"Schnellenberger inherited a situation that was as bad, if not worse, than what he'd inherited at Miami. The Cardinals had not had a winning season since 1978, and only two winning records in the previous 12 years. They played at Cardinal Stadium, a minor-league baseball stadium, and often hosted crowds so small that the school was forced to give tickets away."
To say turnarounds happen "all the time" is a stretch. The only two turnaround coaches that may be on the market right now are Schiano and Marrone. And Illinois could use this type of coach.
In the 20 years before Gary Barnett arrived at Northwestern, the program won a total of 38 games. There were 13 seasons of 2 wins or less.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northwestern_Wildcats_football_seasons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northwestern_Wildcats_football_seasons
I think the interesting question is, do you think GS will probably be successful at his next gig?
I'd have to say yes...even though I like what he did here and he's a big reason we are where we are...I wouldn't be overjoyed to see him return.
I'd have to say yes...even though I like what he did here and he's a big reason we are where we are...I wouldn't be overjoyed to see him return.
Gary had 2 nice seasons, but after that, he went 5-7 and 3-9, and his overall record at NW was 35–45–1.
