Schiano versus Leipold
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I said it before and will say it again. Nevermind the 2021 record. Leipold is trending higher, sooner (unintentional OU reference). He beat Texas and gave Oklahoma a real scare.
More important to predicting: Leipold is an offense-first coach. Schiano’s decisions, including who the QB is, are too conservative and slant heavily to maximizing defensive impact on the outcome to the detriment of offensive production and points.
Simply put, Schiano’s priority isn’t scoring. To him, goal 1 is field position and defense with outscoring the other team being the byproduct of that.
That’s not a winning formula against P5. Almost all the top programs have Offense minded HCs. That’s where the top skill position recruits go: to coaches who will highlight their talent.
More important to predicting: Leipold is an offense-first coach. Schiano’s decisions, including who the QB is, are too conservative and slant heavily to maximizing defensive impact on the outcome to the detriment of offensive production and points.
Simply put, Schiano’s priority isn’t scoring. To him, goal 1 is field position and defense with outscoring the other team being the byproduct of that.
That’s not a winning formula against P5. Almost all the top programs have Offense minded HCs. That’s where the top skill position recruits go: to coaches who will highlight their talent.
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There’s a big difference between a good hire and the right hire.
Greg was the right hire.
Greg was the right hire.
I'm sure this post is tongue-in-cheek, but it's not too far from the truth. The oddest thing is the overwhelming majority of the players are not guidos.
I think hinterlands is a bit of a misnomer. More like plains and farm and ranch lands.
I only object because "hinterlands" has a much more intriguing connotation that suggests something mysterious and unexplored. You can basically see the entirety of flat, open Nebraska just by staring west in Omaha. Turn around, and you'll see clean to Chicago by staring east.
Frost isn’t surviving but Schiano would have no interest in going there. He didn’t leave RU for Michigan - you think he’s leaving for Nebraska?
Right now Schiano probably isn't in the must have category when P-5 ADs are looking for someone to replace their current HC and I'd put the Nebraska AD in that category , as of now.
If /when Greg looks like he will be poached by another program because of the success he's having at Rutgers, I'm sure Rutgers would do everything to keep him .
Also with him making RU the type of program that it's HC is a must have, I'm sure RU boosters would be digging in their pockets for more money to donate than they had in the past.
NY Metro area companies might look at RU FB players as a good investment and start handing out the type of NIL money that brings in top recruits to programs.
Making RU consider Greg a must keep and use the booster to supplement his income so he's highly compensated and his total wage package would be hard to beat when personal considerations are added.
Those considerations involve how Schiano would have god like status for making RU into an elite program and probably) Greg knowing the green grass of home might be better than chasing the gold and glory another program dangles in front of him.
He been there before and the glory wasn't his to have and the gold turned into fools-gold
where his coaching career was concerned
I truly feel this is where Schiano will stay if successful and as long as RU treats him with the respect he feels earned by the way the program is , RU has him until he retires.
If Greg isn't a success, this go-round , top programs won't come calling and RU fans will be saying : "get the rope" when his name is mentioned
fsg…if you were to poll all the P5 ADs today asking which coach is more likely to be hired away in 3-5 years based on success at their current schools, which coach would be the leading vote ?
Don’t tell me about ‘better hire for Rutgers’ or Greg wouldn’t leave for a college job or other cop outs.
Play it straight. Take off your homer hat. Please Answer the question.
Between the two of them, Which coach would you think ADs believe holds more future promise right now ?
Don’t tell me about ‘better hire for Rutgers’ or Greg wouldn’t leave for a college job or other cop outs.
Play it straight. Take off your homer hat. Please Answer the question.
Between the two of them, Which coach would you think ADs believe holds more future promise right now ?
Um - first of all, let’s see how successful Kansas actually is in 3-5 years before you go Gaga over Leipold. Easily beating bad FCS teams doesn’t get you hired away.
Aside from this - there’s a thread on Pop and today’s article on him deserves to be posted there or in a separate post entirely for discussion - but the paragraph that talks about how Schiano and his staff transformed Pacheco on this article is a major score for our program and recruiting. Schiano already had the reputation of a Patriot grooming factory of future NFL stars.
Draft-day steal? Chiefs seventh-rounder Isiah Pacheco emerging as potential star
Pacheco has gained the respect of his teammates through his dynamic rushing, pass blocking and receiving abilities.
theathletic.com
Why would I pretend to know wtf any AD would say, let alone a majority of them, legal one a majority predicting the future.. what a truly ridiculous question, and certainly not clear cut the way you seem to think. Schiano has more experience at the highest levels of the sport and a proven track record turning around THE worst BCS/Power 5 program. What has Leipold done at that level, again? Beaten Texas inside a 2-10 campaign?
Whatever side your imaginary convention of ADs lands on in their crystal ball reading, I do know Leipold was 1000 percent not the right choice here at the time Schiano was hired.
You find my interest in Leipold creepy??? I think Lance Leipold is an excellent football coach who, if Greg didn’t come here possibly LL would have. Mark my words Lance Leipold will be coaching an elite team within five years.
Maybe, but it would not have worked out for him if he came to Rutgers. And it may have killed our program overall. There would’ve been no fan excitement around the program if he was brought in. Zero. Check where attendance levels were and consider that they would’ve further plummeted from there. He wasn’t going to step in and start winning right away to turn things around. He didn’t even do that at Kansas and our schedule is harder.
The emphasis on that Texas win as a big deal in a 2-10 season is laughable. Schiano beat Michigan State in his first game returning. Which win do you think generated more program excitement? Geez
Lance Leipold addresses a new look at West Virginia matchup heading into week two
In just their second game of the season, Kansas football will already open up its Big 12 play against West Virginia.Conference play in week two isn’t common, but Kansas head coach Lance Leipold believes that it comes with more advantages than it does disadvantages.
“I'd rather play a conference game in week two, than have an open week and then go 10 more weeks,” Leipold said. “So by playing this game, and having that open week later in the year, I think it is beneficial.”
Both teams have seen some notable changes since meeting each other late last season, where West Virginia won that meeting 34-28.
https://www.kansan.com/sports/lance...cle_7679b7a4-2e32-11ed-b898-b7d4ed8a347f.html
I am not disagreeing with you! Greg is our HC and I think he should stay our head coach. Lance Leipold is an excellent college football coach and will be at a bugger program within five years.
Revisit my opinion above after this year and if y’all are being honest you’ll change your mind.
Leipold was ridiculed on this board when his name came up on the last search. Like Skinny, I thought he'd be a good choice, but Schiano had too much going for him not to be the pick. Whose football fortunes look better right now, RU or KU?
Also, at the time, there were those who were saying that Frost would knock it out of the park at Nebraska. Hell, I agreed with them. Doesn't seem to be happening.
Also, at the time, there were those who were saying that Frost would knock it out of the park at Nebraska. Hell, I agreed with them. Doesn't seem to be happening.
KU. Been saying since KU’s UT win and almost-win against OU last year. Superior coach.
to laugh at this thread and all teh other Schiano-hater threads. You guys just cannot get over the fact that most people wanted Schiano back.. BADLY.
You didn't get your way and are will use any excuse, no matter how lame.. to insist you were right all along.
These threads are like drunken late-night calls to your Ex.
P A T H E T I C
And saying so in such threads is perfectly reasonable.. if a bit mean-spirited.
good link on Pacheco.. thanks.. think I saw it before.. but worth itUm - first of all, let’s see how successful Kansas actually is in 3-5 years before you go Gaga over Leipold. Easily beating bad FCS teams doesn’t get you hired away.
Aside from this - there’s a thread on Pop and today’s article on him deserves to be posted there or in a separate post entirely for discussion - but the paragraph that talks about how Schiano and his staff transformed Pacheco on this article is a major score for our program and recruiting. Schiano already had the reputation of a Patriot grooming factory of future NFL stars.
Draft-day steal? Chiefs seventh-rounder Isiah Pacheco emerging as potential star
Pacheco has gained the respect of his teammates through his dynamic rushing, pass blocking and receiving abilities.
Schiano-hater thread? Only Shelby has said the least negative thing about GS. Everybody else is saying, "Schiano was the right pick for us, but damn, that Leipold guy, who most people here thought was a joke, has done really well." And he has.
Unbunch.
Should have hedged our bet and hired both of them. If we can juggle a handful of quarterbacks, surely there’s a way for the program to keep two head coaches in the mix.
You do not start a "Schiano vs Liepold" thread without an axe to grind. it is an invitation to like-minded haters to show up and support the OP. And it sets up the "I told you so" opportunity should Liepold have an arguably better year... regardless of the schedules from this point.
Even the premise that "that Leipold guy, who most people here thought was a joke" is unsupportable nonsense.
The number of people defending and lauding Schiano in this thread does not mitigate the reason the OP was created. Schiano-hating. If you don't like that opinion, wait a day or two and I'll have a different one.
I’ll change my tune if Schiano goes 3-1 against Iowa, Nebraska, Indiana and Maryland. Three of those are home games.
2-2, he’d have to win one of the other likely ‘unwinnable’ games to change my view of progress through year 3 and the hire overall.
If 1-3, a disappointing season even by our standards.
To me, Leipold has already passed 2.0’s success and promise so far. Too early to judge LL only by his record. He does have better wins.
2-2, he’d have to win one of the other likely ‘unwinnable’ games to change my view of progress through year 3 and the hire overall.
If 1-3, a disappointing season even by our standards.
To me, Leipold has already passed 2.0’s success and promise so far. Too early to judge LL only by his record. He does have better wins.
Leipold.
And it's now several years later after Schiano and Leipold were in the mix for the job. Same with Butch Jones, Addazio, Hafley and some others. What on Earth is the harm in looking and wondering "What if?"
And yes, many thought the possibility of Leipold was a joke. No nonsense there.
It's a fan board. It's for fun. Conjecture is not offensive.
Have fun looking at these search results discussing Leipold way back when... I see his personality, or lack of, was mocked.. but no one said he was a joke.
You're kidding, right? Look at the threads you linked. Go back to the time when the hiring was under consideration.
I searched summer 2019 to Jan 2021. What dates do you suggest? Lets try again only using all of 2019.. no.. Nov 1 2018 to Dec 31 2019.. that should do it.
Okay.. depends what the meaning of "he's a joke" is. There are lots of posts doubting him. his qualifications, his midwest roots, his ability to recruit... I suppose, in some ways, you can say that people called his candidacy "a joke". But to me they spoke legitimate concerns... and we have ZERO idea what his "success" at Buffalo and Kansas would mean to his ability to make Rutgers a success. But he is no joke....
...and, STIIL, this whole OP is about comparing Leipold to Schiano.. WHY? Because some people do not like Schiano and wish we went with Leipold... HATERS!
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It is nice to see Lance won. After 80-7 I can never root for WVU. I think and hope GS will have a long successful act 2.O for us. However I always look for replacements with coaches. I refuse to think only GS can win at Rutgers, as some pundits have said.
Is a better football coach. KU will pass RU in on field results (P5 competitiveness) if they haven’t already. That will be clear. Sure, being in our division is a big disadvantage in the ‘success’ comparison, but results are what matters.
We will never know the ‘what if he was hired here’ or if ‘only our Jersey guy can win here’. Pure conjecture. But based on what can be proven (success), the comparison will obviously favor the other guy. He’s just a better head football coach.
We will never know the ‘what if he was hired here’ or if ‘only our Jersey guy can win here’. Pure conjecture. But based on what can be proven (success), the comparison will obviously favor the other guy. He’s just a better head football coach.
Look at that list. It’s a disaster. IMO GS is no sure bet at great success, but given the thumping also known as Flood-Ash, I knew GS could turn our fortunes around and do so relatively swiftly. The others are a crap shoot. Of the bunch, seemingly only LL has shown some clear signs of a turnaround.
