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Schiano versus Leipold

Go back to the 2019 threads. Tons of ridicule.
Already posted that link for you. Even if you can find someone mocking Liepold as a joke.. and someone did say something mockingly after some failures for Buffalo.. how does that mean "MOST"?

"MOST" was used in this thread to highlight the OP's superior opinion that Leipold was a better hire than Schiano... that is why the OP was created. But there is nowhere near any proof that suggested the Leipold candidacy was thought of, and stated as, a joke by MOST.

MOST wanted Schiano.. that was clear. That was why he was hired even though the AD did not want him.
 
I searched summer 2019 to Jan 2021. What dates do you suggest? Lets try again only using all of 2019.. no.. Nov 1 2018 to Dec 31 2019.. that should do it.

Okay.. depends what the meaning of "he's a joke" is. There are lots of posts doubting him. his qualifications, his midwest roots, his ability to recruit... I suppose, in some ways, you can say that people called his candidacy "a joke". But to me they spoke legitimate concerns... and we have ZERO idea what his "success" at Buffalo and Kansas would mean to his ability to make Rutgers a success. But he is no joke....

...and, STIIL, this whole OP is about comparing Leipold to Schiano.. WHY? Because some people do not like Schiano and wish we went with Leipold... HATERS!
why does that make someone a hater ? I believe the other guy is a much better coach. Schiano is an average coach. You want to say he’s a good coach? Ok. Let’s say he’s a good coach. The other guy is an excellent coach. He’s won everywhere. Schiano has not, and he’s not won anywhere in 15 years.
 
Look at that list. It’s a disaster. IMO GS is no sure bet at great success, but given the thumping also known as Flood-Ash, I knew GS could turn our fortunes around and do so relatively swiftly. The others are a crap shoot. Of the bunch, seemingly only LL has shown some clear signs of a turnaround.
I think Hafley will end up doing OK. He's off to a rough start this year, and I'm certainly not a fan of his, but he's a good coach. I think Jones probably will as well.

To me, the big advantages of GS are that he demanded so much of the University in order to take the job, and nobody will outwork him. Downsides are that his brand of football might be a bit outdated and he does have a stubborn streak. But he was the best choice, no doubt about that.
 
Already posted that link for you. Even if you can find someone mocking Liepold as a joke.. and someone did say something mockingly after some failures for Buffalo.. how does that mean "MOST"?

"MOST" was used in this thread to highlight the OP's superior opinion that Leipold was a better hire than Schiano... that is why the OP was created. But there is nowhere near any proof that suggested the Leipold candidacy was thought of, and stated as, a joke by MOST.

MOST wanted Schiano.. that was clear. That was why he was hired even though the AD did not want him.
You really have to chill out, Good Ol'. You said, "All the Schiano haters," but there really is only one guy in the whole thread who comes close to that. I was the person who said, "most," because that was my recollection from 2019, and in fact, there were a lot of people who ridiculed him. But maybe not most. Maybe just many. So what?

The point here, and it's a very simple one, is that while he was ridiculed by many back in the day, today he looks like he might have been a good choice. Others under consideration look less so. It's an interesting conversation, but you are the only one bringing in hatred.

Schiano is doing fine, We've beaten the spread twice. Our upcoming opponents look not as formidable as they did at the beginning of the season. Enjoy the banter and the speculation. Leipold just beat WVU! Good on him.
 
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Most people simply felt we needed a bigger brand name than guys like Leipold or Hafley in 2019 based on the embarrassing state of the program at that the time and that we needed a NJ guy.

Hafley isn’t looking so hot right about now so the anti Schiano contingency will migrate over to Leipold for a while. BC better hope they get their left tackle back in a hurry or they might not win a single game in the ACC. Their OL went from bad to much worse in a hurry. It reminded me of our NW game without ONeal last year (and of course Sutton).
 
You really have to chill out, Good Ol'. You said, "All the Schiano haters," but there really is only one guy in the whole thread who comes close to that. I was the person who said, "most," because that was my recollection from 2019, and in fact, there were a lot of people who ridiculed him. But maybe not most. Maybe just many. So what?

The point here, and it's a very simple one, is that while he was ridiculed by many back in the day, today he looks like he might have been a good choice. Others under consideration look less so. It's an interesting conversation, but you are the only one bringing in hatred.

Schiano is doing fine, We've beaten the spread twice. Our upcoming opponents look not as formidable as they did at the beginning of the season. Enjoy the banter and the speculation. Leipold just beat WVU! Good on him.
So you are not one of "all the schiano haters" so what? I did not say MOST, did I? If you do not identify as a Schiano hater, why be so offended by my post?

So only ONE, by your count, showed any hate of Schiano. But it was not the OP and my contention is that you don't start a thread lamenting the loss of hiring Leipold and comparing him to Schiano without some distaste for the hire. Is it the word "hater" you object to so much? You realize it is shorthand for those who did not support the hire then and still do not support him.. using every thread they can to take shots at him.

Have you been in the game threads? The first half of teh BC game saw the haters come out of the closet.. only to slink back in the second half and disappear at the end of the game.

They are out there.. and, in my opinion, they start "reasonable" comparison threads like this one.

MY.. OPINION.

You disagree? That's fine with me. I won't try to convince you.. unlike those who want to convince you that we should have hired Leipold... even though we have a head coach that MOST support.
 
So you are not one of "all the schiano haters" so what? I did not say MOST, did I? If you do not identify as a Schiano hater, why be so offended by my post?

So only ONE, by your count, showed any hate of Schiano. But it was not the OP and my contention is that you don't start a thread lamenting the loss of hiring Leipold and comparing him to Schiano without some distaste for the hire. Is it the word "hater" you object to so much? You realize it is shorthand for those who did not support the hire then and still do not support him.. using every thread they can to take shots at him.

Have you been in the game threads? The first half of teh BC game saw the haters come out of the closet.. only to slink back in the second half and disappear at the end of the game.

They are out there.. and, in my opinion, they start "reasonable" comparison threads like this one.

MY.. OPINION.

You disagree? That's fine with me. I won't try to convince you.. unlike those who want to convince you that we should have hired Leipold... even though we have a head coach that MOST support.
I support Schiano. Thought he was a good hire and still do. Also thought Leipold would have been a good hire, and still do. Nothing wrong with that. I'm happy for Leipold; he had a huge mountain to climb and he's made it to the foothills. Same as us. But, anyway, have to call it a night. We've reached the gin and tonic hour down here in the antipodes.

Go RU and Rock Chalk.
 
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Leipold.

And it's now several years later after Schiano and Leipold were in the mix for the job. Same with Butch Jones, Addazio, Hafley and some others. What on Earth is the harm in looking and wondering "What if?"

And yes, many thought the possibility of Leipold was a joke. No nonsense there.

It's a fan board. It's for fun. Conjecture is not offensive.
I like to say “entertainment”. Personally I love coach Schiano at Rutgers no axe to grind whatsoever. But a handful of us were vocal about bringing LL to Piscataway and I am enjoying watching his success at Kansas. He is an excellent game day football coach and I look forward to continuing to watch him succeed.
I also will greatly enjoy watching coach Schiano successes too!
 
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Kansas wins at West Virginia. You know the Nebraska AD has Kansas coach Leipold’s agent on speed dial.


Yup - that’s exactly what will happen if Kansas does get 6 wins and what would have happened to RU in the same scenerio if we went for an up and coming type. Schiano is not going to leave. He’s here to be a program builder and he bleeds Scarlet. He didn’t even leave last time for Michigan. Only left for a chance in the NFL. That’s what we needed after years and years of turmoil. The comparisons should end there. Full stop.
 
Yup - that’s exactly what will happen if Kansas does get 6 wins and what would have happened to RU in the same scenerio if we went for an up and coming type. Schiano is not going to leave. He’s here to be a program builder and he bleeds Scarlet. He didn’t even leave last time for Michigan. Only left for a chance in the NFL. That’s what we needed after years and years of turmoil. The comparisons should end there. Full stop.
Bleeds scarlet ? After bleeding red/blue, after buckeye red, after tampa orange, after scarlet. Only thing he bleeds now is green $ x 32M
 
Yup - that’s exactly what will happen if Kansas does get 6 wins and what would have happened to RU in the same scenerio if we went for an up and coming type. Schiano is not going to leave. He’s here to be a program builder and he bleeds Scarlet. He didn’t even leave last time for Michigan. Only left for a chance in the NFL. That’s what we needed after years and years of turmoil. The comparisons should end there. Full stop.
My notes are not meant as Schiano knocks. Just that Leipold knows how to build rosters and win football games. Give the guy his due, which lots of folks haven’t.
 
And that would already prove my above AD preference supposition correct. Wow it just took one new page of posts for the tide to turn.
 
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Leipold would have been a good pick if they had moved out Ash in 2018. When Ash got one more year, to be gone by Oct 1 and Greg was out of coaching, anyone else would have been a disaster
 
Schiano-hater thread? Only Shelby has said the least negative thing about GS. Everybody else is saying, "Schiano was the right pick for us, but damn, that Leipold guy, who most people here thought was a joke, has done really well." And he has.

Unbunch.

I don't recall people thinking he was a joke. I recall them saying he was a terrible fit for RU at that time. And that's still true.

If anything, he might have been worth a gamble after Flood, although don't think he had the resume/hype at that point. He definitely wasn't a serious option after Ash.
 
Leipold might a good/great coach but I think he would not have had the success at Rutgers that he will at Kansas and it has nothing to do with him. The HS coaches in NJ push there kids to go out of state the bigger name schools and the University/State of NJ doesn't support Rutgers like other state universities get supported. Rutgers either needed to hire a coach like Lincoln Riley (which we all know they won't do) or person that the NJ HS coaches know and respect like Schiano. Maybe in 10 years when Schiano steps down and Leipold has appeared in 4 or 5 playoffs Rutgers can hire him, but I don't think he was a good fit back when we had an opening.
 
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I like to say “entertainment”. Personally I love coach Schiano at Rutgers no axe to grind whatsoever. But a handful of us were vocal about bringing LL to Piscataway and I am enjoying watching his success at Kansas. He is an excellent game day football coach and I look forward to continuing to watch him succeed.
I also will greatly enjoy watching coach Schiano successes too!
With this response and taking Skillethead's advice, I will apologize if I have mischaracterized the OP thread-starter. If you had discussed Leipold's success without direct comparisons to Schiano.. especially in the title, I would not have found anything.. untoward.. in starting such a thread. To me, it was an invitation to the "haters".

Shall I be more kind and lump them together as Schiano "doubters" instead of "haters"? Is using the word "haters" now hate speech itself? I thought it was a common term that everyone recognized.. like "trolls".
 
I searched summer 2019 to Jan 2021. What dates do you suggest? Lets try again only using all of 2019.. no.. Nov 1 2018 to Dec 31 2019.. that should do it.

Okay.. depends what the meaning of "he's a joke" is. There are lots of posts doubting him. his qualifications, his midwest roots, his ability to recruit... I suppose, in some ways, you can say that people called his candidacy "a joke". But to me they spoke legitimate concerns... and we have ZERO idea what his "success" at Buffalo and Kansas would mean to his ability to make Rutgers a success. But he is no joke....

...and, STIIL, this whole OP is about comparing Leipold to Schiano.. WHY? Because some people do not like Schiano and wish we went with Leipold... HATERS!
To be accurate, though, we had and have posters who acted like Schiano had won 3 National Championships here (though not all Schiano supporters are this way)--and would certainly win more, and was the only human capable of winning at Rutgers anyway, no other such person walks planet earth--and only a traitorous pig and complete moron could support anyone other than him. When it looked like he wasn't going to get the job they went ballistic on the administration and the Athletic Director. Anyone who dared point out Schiano's weaknesses was mostly shouted down. That opens up Schiano and his supporters to criticism because if you steamroll a guy into the HC coach job like that he better provide results, especially if an alternative hire provides results at another downtrodden program.
 
Look at that list. It’s a disaster. IMO GS is no sure bet at great success, but given the thumping also known as Flood-Ash, I knew GS could turn our fortunes around and do so relatively swiftly. The others are a crap shoot. Of the bunch, seemingly only LL has shown some clear signs of a turnaround.
When I did the search for "Leipold" mentions in 2018-2019 I found several lists of candidates. But your post made me think of how easy it would be to refer to such a list and find maybe one or two candidates who did okay and then support the idea they would have done better than GS. It is true, however, that Leipold seems to have had quite a few strong supporters here. So did a lot of names who failed.. some of whom failed at Kansas like Weiss and Les Miles.
 

Lance Leipold immediately linked to open Nebraska job.​

It didn't take long. After Kansas scored a huge victory in Morgantown on a day of mayhem in college football, the rumblings started. Alex Kirshner of Split Zone Duo seems impressed enough by the job that Lance Leipold has done to tweet this:
There was some immediate pushback from fans around the country, but I think the general consensus is that he could turn them around.
And Sunday morning, Nebraska officially parted ways with Scott Frost.
It didn't take long for Leipold to get mentioned as a potential replacement for Frost.
What isn't clear is if this is a list that Nebraska is working from, or just the writer's opinion about where they should start. But it's fair to say that the national perception is that the momentum Kansas has is real.

But the one thing that people seem to be counting on is that Nebraska can throw enough money at Leipold to convince him to leave. I'm not sure that's actually the case.

There is a big difference between going from a Group of Five school to a Power 5 conference school and going from one historically underachieving school that you've already started to turn around to another historically underachieving team that's a complete mess. He has unfinished business here, and I'm not sure there is enough money to make him leave for a place that has shown a horrible lack of patience and a long pattern of unrealistic expectations.
And if you tell me that Nebraska will just back up a money truck, well good luck. They have a huge payout to Scott Frost coming.

Of course being willing to pay that kind of buyout might lead you to conclude that money is not an issue. But Travis Goff has already extended Leipold's contract once.i wouldn't expect any hesitation if he needed to be extended again.
Long story short, Kansas fans should be excited that the head coach is doing enough to get noticed. But there is no reason to panic. Nebraska isn't going to take Leipold. At least not without a fight.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...ately-linked-to-open-nebraska-job/ar-AA11HAIM
 
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Leipold might a good/great coach but I think he would not have had the success at Rutgers that he will at Kansas and it has nothing to do with him. The HS coaches in NJ push there kids to go out of state the bigger name schools and the University/State of NJ doesn't support Rutgers like other state universities get supported. Rutgers either needed to hire a coach like Lincoln Riley (which we all know they won't do) or person that the NJ HS coaches know and respect like Schiano. Maybe in 10 years when Schiano steps down and Leipold has appeared in 4 or 5 playoffs Rutgers can hire him, but I don't think he was a good fit back when we had an opening.
The provincial thinking that we must land NJ talent has decades of proof that it does not work. Find the best possible talent, and think you’re lucky if they happen to reside in NJ. Too much NJ recruiting water was under the bridge before Rutgers decided to join the big boys.
 

Lance Leipold immediately linked to open Nebraska job.​

It didn't take long. After Kansas scored a huge victory in Morgantown on a day of mayhem in college football, the rumblings started. Alex Kirshner of Split Zone Duo seems impressed enough by the job that Lance Leipold has done to tweet this:
There was some immediate pushback from fans around the country, but I think the general consensus is that he could turn them around.
And Sunday morning, Nebraska officially parted ways with Scott Frost.
It didn't take long for Leipold to get mentioned as a potential replacement for Frost.
What isn't clear is if this is a list that Nebraska is working from, or just the writer's opinion about where they should start. But it's fair to say that the national perception is that the momentum Kansas has is real.

But the one thing that people seem to be counting on is that Nebraska can throw enough money at Leipold to convince him to leave. I'm not sure that's actually the case.

There is a big difference between going from a Group of Five school to a Power 5 conference school and going from one historically underachieving school that you've already started to turn around to another historically underachieving team that's a complete mess. He has unfinished business here, and I'm not sure there is enough money to make him leave for a place that has shown a horrible lack of patience and a long pattern of unrealistic expectations.
And if you tell me that Nebraska will just back up a money truck, well good luck. They have a huge payout to Scott Frost coming.

Of course being willing to pay that kind of buyout might lead you to conclude that money is not an issue. But Travis Goff has already extended Leipold's contract once.i wouldn't expect any hesitation if he needed to be extended again.
Long story short, Kansas fans should be excited that the head coach is doing enough to get noticed. But there is no reason to panic. Nebraska isn't going to take Leipold. At least not without a fight.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...ately-linked-to-open-nebraska-job/ar-AA11HAIM
I wouldn't say Nebraska has shown a horrible lack of patience but I think they definitely have unrealistic expectations. They seem to think and hope that a return to the Top 5 or Top 3 might be just around the corner with the right coach but at this point that seems very unlikely, if not impossible. The right coach after Bo Pelini might've been enough to raise them another notch but they've fallen a long way since then.
 
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Lance is a real good HC and I won't knock him.
But I doubt he would have been intreaSted in Rutgers when the job was available nor would he be able to get enough fan support to force Hobbs to hire him for close to what he would want ( salary and what he felt program needed) .
Greg demanded some things Hobbs wasn't interested enough to agree, but the RU Fanbase spoke and made Hobbs work out a deal with Greg and bring him in as HC.

Don't think, for even a minute , Leipoed would have had the clout to make Hobbs work out a deal with him to give Lance mot of what he wanted to take the RU HC position

Lance and Greg can't be compared when it comes to Rutgers and both are in places that they fit best.
 
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I wouldn't say Nebraska has shown a horrible lack of patience but I think they definitely have unrealistic expectations. They seem to think and hope that a return to the Top 5 or Top 3 might be just around the corner with the right coach but at this point that seems very unlikely, if not impossible. The right coach after Bo Pelini might've been enough to raise them another notch but they've fallen a long way since then.
National titles probably no and big ten titles also a pretty hard goal. I think being a ranked team and making an expanded playoffs multiple times isn’t far fetched for them.
 
My notes are not meant as Schiano knocks. Just that Leipold knows how to build rosters and win football games. Give the guy his due, which lots of folks haven’t.
I have but let's pump the brakes. Buffalo results:

2015Buffalo5–73–54th (East)
2016Buffalo2–101–76th (East)
2017Buffalo6–64–4T–3rd (East)
2018Buffalo10–47–11st (East)L Dollar General
2019Buffalo8–55–3T–2nd (East)W Bahamas
2020Buffalo6–15–01st (East)W Camellia


Kansas Results:
2-10 //1-8 in 2021

Can we pump the brakes until we see how they do against Houston, Duke, Iowa State and the rest of the Big 12?
 
Schiano isn’t going anywhere. No one is going to pay him what we are.

Build a platform for the next guy to come in and win. That’s Schianos job.
 
Kansas 48 Houston 30. Final.

Great for Kansas. But honestly, it’s not like Houston has looked so great this season. They are 1-2 and needed OT to get that win against UTSA (UTSA got blown out by Texas and beat Army in OT). Maybe Houston just isn’t good just like it doesn’t appear BC is that good? I mean - objectively speaking, would anyone on here be more optimistic about this season’s outlook if we swapped outcomes with Houston right now? I don’t think so.
 
Great for Kansas. But honestly, it’s not like Houston has looked so great this season. They are 1-2 and needed OT to get that win against UTSA (UTSA got blown out by Texas and beat Army in OT). Maybe Houston just isn’t good just like it doesn’t appear BC is that good? I mean - objectively speaking, would anyone on here be more optimistic about this season’s outlook if we swapped outcomes with Houston right now? I don’t think so.
Might not be great for Kansas for too long, he could end up in Nebraska next year. I think if he can get 6 wins, he'll have a legitimate shot for Nebraska.
 
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Lance is the Real Deal

Kansas football's undefeated start catches national spotlight: 'Lance Leipold is the real deal'​


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Adam Hensley, Topeka Capital-Journal
Sat, September 17, 2022 at 8:51 PM·1 min read




Kansas football is off to a historic start thanks to a statement win against Houston
Saturday.

The Jayhawks are 3-0 for the first time since 2009. They've won back-to-back road games for the first time since 2007.

Kansas pulled off the 48-30 road victory thanks to quarterback Jalon Daniel's five-touchdown performance. Daniels threw for 158 yards and ran for 115 more, while scoring three times through the air and twice on the ground. The Jayhawk defense forced two turnovers as well. At one point, the game was delayed by 70 minutes due to lightning in the Houston area, but Kansas came out firing after the break.

Head coach Lance Leipold's group is showing tangible improvement early on in his second season with the Jayhawk program. The national media is taking notes, too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kansas-footballs-undefeated-start-catches-005113859.html
 

Insane Stat Shows Just How Good Lance Leipold Has Been To Turn Around The Kansas Jayhawks​


here have been few Power 5 football programs worse than the Kansas Jayhawks over the last decade.

The Jayhawks have not made a bowl game since 2008. They’ve won three games or fewer in every season since 2010, and they’ve twice gone winless over that span.

But there is now hope on the horizon.

Kansas moved to 3-0 in 2022 on Saturday with a surprising 48-30 road victory over Houston. The Cougars entered the season ranked in the AP top 25 before falling out a week ago.

The Jayhawks have not been 3-0 since 2009.

Much of the credit for the turnaround belongs to second-year head coach Lance Leipold. Leipold made his name as a six-time Division III national champion with Wisconsin-Whitewater. He then took the Buffalo Bulls’ head coaching job in 2015 and led them to a pair of MAC title games before being swooped up by the Jayhawks in 2021.

After a difficult 2-10 season in his first year at the helm, things appear to be headed in the right direction. One stat, in particular, shows just how good Leipold has been.

Lance Leipold Now Has More Road Wins Than The Last Five Kansas Coaches Combined​

Kansas has searched far and wide to try to find the answer to its football woes. But time and again, coaches have come and gone with little to no success.

Nothing quite exemplifies how difficult that job has been like the stat Kansas City sports anchor Harold Kuntz shared on Twitter.



In just over one year in charge, Leipold has won more road games for the Jayhawks (3) than Turner Gill, Charlie Weis, Clint Bowen, David Beaty and Les Miles combined.

College football fans were amazed by the stat.


https://brobible.com/sports/article/lance-leipold-kansas-most-road-wins/
 
Kansas 48 Houston 30. Final.
Seems to be more about Houston dysfunction than Kansas being a juggernaut.

280 yards of rushing, 123 of which by their QB.



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Insane Stat Shows Just How Good Lance Leipold Has Been To Turn Around The Kansas Jayhawks​


here have been few Power 5 football programs worse than the Kansas Jayhawks over the last decade.

The Jayhawks have not made a bowl game since 2008. They’ve won three games or fewer in every season since 2010, and they’ve twice gone winless over that span.

But there is now hope on the horizon.

Kansas moved to 3-0 in 2022 on Saturday with a surprising 48-30 road victory over Houston. The Cougars entered the season ranked in the AP top 25 before falling out a week ago.

The Jayhawks have not been 3-0 since 2009.

Much of the credit for the turnaround belongs to second-year head coach Lance Leipold. Leipold made his name as a six-time Division III national champion with Wisconsin-Whitewater. He then took the Buffalo Bulls’ head coaching job in 2015 and led them to a pair of MAC title games before being swooped up by the Jayhawks in 2021.

After a difficult 2-10 season in his first year at the helm, things appear to be headed in the right direction. One stat, in particular, shows just how good Leipold has been.

Lance Leipold Now Has More Road Wins Than The Last Five Kansas Coaches Combined​

Kansas has searched far and wide to try to find the answer to its football woes. But time and again, coaches have come and gone with little to no success.

Nothing quite exemplifies how difficult that job has been like the stat Kansas City sports anchor Harold Kuntz shared on Twitter.



In just over one year in charge, Leipold has won more road games for the Jayhawks (3) than Turner Gill, Charlie Weis, Clint Bowen, David Beaty and Les Miles combined.

College football fans were amazed by the stat.


https://brobible.com/sports/article/lance-leipold-kansas-most-road-wins/
Impressive job. We'll see how far he goes.
 
Many of our fans jump to premature conclusions. You can't read the game threads without ( and sensible fans don't) seeing" the good time charlie's ". The same types anoint other coaches as the best until they too lose a game.
 
Most here will forever be in denial about who the far superior coach is, regurgitating ‘fit’ baloney.
 
“Kansas has this offense, a football offense which … calls “imaginative, electric and a whole lot of fun.”
As I said as well as many other actual fans on the board If you feel so strongly about Kansas and Liepold then move to Kansas. Nobody is happy about our offense but some actually believe in letting it play out. At season’s end we all can voice our concerns but though year 3 ( and really year 2) we have an injured 3 year starter and two under 21 QB’s. That is the basic issue . The Oline is spanking brand new and unfortunately that takes a little more patience . As Doug said earlier feel free to relinquish your “ Rutgers affiliation. Honestly you only come on to criticize , denigrate and prove stupidity is Mr. Twister’s claim to fame.
 
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