Serious question: where does Rutgers fall in the pecking order of new coaches?

[Southern Gentleman]

Ok. On SiriusXM channel 84, the college football channel, I heard them talking about Illinois and where they are in the pecking order of replacing their head coach. Of course it got me to think( a rarity I know) about where we fall in available head coaches. Surely USCw is number 1 or 2. USCe may be # 3 or 4, i dunno.

What number are we? I think 7-12 probably just based on current salary paid to the HC. Perhaps I am wrong? Am I way off base here?

The best option may be to NOT fire KF this year but wait and see what the HC marketplace looks like next year. That may not be popular, but it might be realistic.

What is your opinion?

 

[MikeRU09]

I think this year is the year to do it. We are not going to hit a grand slam...in fact, we probably will never hit a for sure grand slam...but a lot of coach movement means a lot of top assistants may be ready to make a jump. Staffs will losen up...I still want Babers and he is realistic option.

 

[ClassOf02]

I agree we're probably in the 7-9 range. I still think this is the year to make a change. The program is in desperate need of a shake up. Fact is, we're still about 5 years away from swimming in the money. Which means, with this administration, we're still 5 years away from bringing in a proven P5 winning coach. We can't ride out the Flood for five years, that's for damn sure.

I say make the change now, bring in a wild card, give him 3 years to see what he can build, and if it doesn't work, we're in a better position. Only requirement in my book is to bring in someone who will install a spread offense (or read option at a minimum). That's the only chance we have to hang in our division while we're cash strapped. The pro style O ain't gonna work with our manpower.

A shake up is needed in the staff, in the style, and for the fan base morale. Shake it up.

 

[Southern Gentleman]

I agree

I think this year is the year to do it. We are not going to hit a grand slam...in fact, we probably will never hit a for sure grand slam...but a lot of coach movement means a lot of top assistants may be ready to make a jump. Staffs will losen up...I still want Babers and he is realistic option.

I agree that many assistants will be looking to make the jump/ transition to head coach. AND , that may be the route to take, BUT, it has to be the RIGHT assistant from the RIGHT school, for it to be the RIGHT fit at Rutgers. THAT is the hard question. Look at Houston. Look at Memphis. Those 2 schools seem to have gotten the right fit, at least for this season.

Is Rutgers a step up academically? LOL, it is 23 stories skyward at least! Facilities wise? Maybe, maybe not. Compensation-wise? You tell me. Where is the vision moving forward? Is there a vision? If so, is it being communicated to everyone? If so, is it being shown to those who have the money to be players for the future?

We have to take a long term view that has some seriously strong financial backing to make this work 5-10 years out. Not just for 2016.

 

[koleszar]

Seriously, probably right behind the guy who washes Nick Saban's car. According to our administration I'm not sure we could even afford him.

 

[lighty]

Even if Rutgers is between the 7th and 9th best choice this year, there's no reason to believe the school will be higher on the list the following year or any other year.

Has Flood really shown anything the past two years to make people believe he can be competitive in most of the games? He's done a good job of beating the teams he should beat (thanks to two insane comeback wins) but he's had a string of bad losses that would get most coaches fired.

Add in the mysterious meeting w/o Rutgers clothing to get a grade changed, the multiple arrests, and there's not much good to say about this year.

 

[Dr. Potato]

Low

 

[vkj91]

Southern
I both like and respect you but of All people you should know there are no guarantees. Your team plays in a conference that knows no rules,constantly pushes the envelope, and is known as the shadiest conference in the land. Your coach has a career record of 68-24. He went to 4 New Years Bowls as well as 3 Rose Bowls. We could never hire a guy like that but 5 weeks ago you wanted his scalp. There are very few guarantees in college football but one guarantee is without regime change we will continue to get blown out.

 

[jmg75]

We need a change but I am inclined to wait until President Barchi has left. I have nothing against him, but he was brought in for a specific purpose. His recent speech in Newark leads me to believe he has given more thought to athletics than I previously believed, but it will never be a priority for him. I would like to see if the next president has a more positive stance towards where sports fit in the University's mission. I would like the next hire to involve a president who believes intercollegiate athletics are a little more important than Dr. Barchi does.

 

[RU'70]

Hello S.G. Great finish Saturday, glad to see someone happy around here. Quick question for you--what was the name of the quarterback for the Hogs when they played us here?

 

[Scarlet16E]

As I posted in a thread I just started, next year is the year to judge Flood's performance.
I do not see Rutgers firing him this year barring some new scandal.

He will have an opportunity (hopefully) to coach a more experienced team. I think RU gives him that chance.
The coaching marketplace is very tight right now.
We will have an elite 11 QB on the roster (redshirt?).

 

[Southern Gentleman]

Southern
I both like and respect you but of All people you should know there are no guarantees. Your team plays in a conference that knows no rules,constantly pushes the envelope, and is known as the shadiest conference in the land. Your coach has a career record of 68-24. He went to 4 New Years Bowls as well as 3 Rose Bowls. We could never hire a guy like that but 5 weeks ago you wanted his scalp. There are very few guarantees in college football but one guarantee is without regime change we will continue to get blown out.

While I certainly were singing and slinging praises towards our QB Brandon Allen last week due to his play on the field, I don't believe I have done the same for our HC.

I may have defended him on this board against those who like to call him Bert and other names meant to insult. But I don't recall wa

Hello S.G. Great finish Saturday, glad to see someone happy around here. Quick question for you--what was the name of the quarterback for the Hogs when they played us here?

I believe that was Tyler Wilson. He had some good yardage stats but we had no defense and Gary Nova had excellent days against the Hogs.

 

[RUskoolie]

The excuse of "we can't fire Flood this year because there are too many openings" is a fallacy. 2013 and 2014 were outliers. Most years there is anywhere from 15-20 openings in college football. Meaning this year is about average. We also aren't all fighting over the same type of coach. Southern Cal needs a coach with West Coast ties. South Carolina needs a southern boy. Illinois most likely will look in the MAC, etc.

We will be competing with very few schools this year. Maryland yes, Miami...eh. Virginia Tech and Virginia, yeah.

 

[derleider]

Ok. On SiriusXM channel 84, the college football channel, I heard them talking about Illinois and where they are in the pecking order of replacing their head coach. Of course it got me to think( a rarity I know) about where we fall in available head coaches. Surely USCw is number 1 or 2. USCe may be # 3 or 4, i dunno.

What number are we? I think 7-12 probably just based on current salary paid to the HC. Perhaps I am wrong? Am I way off base here?

The best option may be to NOT fire KF this year but wait and see what the HC marketplace looks like next year. That may not be popular, but it might be realistic.

What is your opinion?

USC.... USc.... VT...MD..Miami, then Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, Virginia in no order depending on a variety of things (what kind of system we want, where geographically the good coaches are, etc).

If current salary is the consideration then we are the worst P5 job because are teh lowest paying. I cant imagine that RU would can Flood though, to hire another nobody. Might as well ride it out.

The thing about waiting for next year is there isnt some infinite pool of coaches. Aside from freshly fired guys, the pool is largely the same this year to next.The only new guys are surprises - and frankly - if a guy wasnt worth hiring this year, and suddenly is great next year - maybe hes just a flash in the pan anyway.

But there is also no sign that next year will be better than this year. This year is the norm, except the early firings. Its the past two years that have been really low (which is why we should have fired Flood two years ago.)

There are two reasons not to fire Flood

1. You think hes going to turn it around. But after four years - its hard to say how anyone could think that (even if he wins out and gets to 6-6 - its a hollow 6-6 - no wins over winning teams AGAIN in all likliehood).

2. You think finances will drastically improve next year. Even then, it probably makes sense to splurge rather than wait.

 

[RU205]

The excuse of "we can't fire Flood this year because there are too many openings" is a fallacy. 2013 and 2013 were outliers. Most years there is anywhere from 15-20 openings in college football. Meaning this year is about average. We also aren't all fighting over the same type of coach. Southern Cal needs a coach with West Coast ties. South Carolina needs a southern boy. Illinois most likely will look in the MAC, etc.

We will be competing with very few schools this year. Maryland yes, Miami...eh. Virginia Tech and Virginia, yeah.

Exactly. We are not fishing in the same pond as the other schools. Make the move now.

 

[charliem24]

I agree

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I agree that many assistants will be looking to make the jump/ transition to head coach. AND , that may be the route to take, BUT, it has to be the RIGHT assistant from the RIGHT school, for it to be the RIGHT fit at Rutgers. THAT is the hard question. Look at Houston. Look at Memphis. Those 2 schools seem to have gotten the right fit, at least for this season.

Is Rutgers a step up academically? LOL, it is 23 stories skyward at least! Facilities wise? Maybe, maybe not. Compensation-wise? You tell me. Where is the vision moving forward? Is there a vision? If so, is it being communicated to everyone? If so, is it being shown to those who have the money to be players for the future?

We have to take a long term view that has some seriously strong financial backing to make this work 5-10 years out. Not just for 2016.

Therein lies the real problem IMO. The AD, who I do think gets it, seems to be under a gag order, and the only vision expressed by the President is for football/athletics to be revenue neutral.

Can just imagine head coaching candidates during the interview, when they ask what the school's vision for the program is, "Well, try not to lose money." Bet the candidates will be lining up to take the job.

 

[mildone]

We're the school w/the little one that seems like a belly-button.

Oh wait, you said "pecking order". Never mind. Carry on.

 

[megadrone]

USC.... USc.... VT...MD..Miami, then Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, Virginia in no order depending on a variety of things (what kind of system we want, where geographically the good coaches are, etc).



2. You think finances will drastically improve next year. Even then, it probably makes sense to splurge rather than wait.

So we'll be waiting, then?