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Once against the Rutgers basketball season has come to a close before we have hit the midpoint of March but finally we have a program filled with hope and optimism for the future. This year was not going to be about wins and losses. It was going to be about a culture change across the board. The steps taken by the players and what Coack Pikiell instilled in this program is going to be the bridge to the future. He is doing it the right way and the kids are buying into it the right way. The stench of losing culture and expecting to lose every game and not just lose but to lose by alot has been eliminated. I do not think this team came into any game this year thinking that they could not win. Not one. Contrast that with the prior 3 years. Last year RU won 7 games and set records for losses by over 20 and 30 points over the previous 3 years of Jordan. This year they won 15 games! An 8 game improvement plus were competitive in many more losses. RU did not give up in adversity once they went down. Gone was the routine of curling into a ball..and yes there were a couple of games it happened..Iowa/Michigan State/last night vs Northwestern but that will happen. Even the best of teams have the doors blown off of them. You can have those exceptions, the pattern shows otherswise.

Pike taught them on how to compete. Improvements across the board (except foul shooting). I know people will say wait this team shot worse than last year or previous Jordan teams well we need to accept that this is not a good shooting team, very offensively challenged and its been a challenge for the staff to generate offense. Thats why the emphasize on rebounding and defense was so important to get this team to compete and believe and it really worked. I thought while the shooting woes persisted most of the season, I thought this was a well run offense for the talent we have. RU just does not have that natural point guard with those instincts, Pike did a solid job in getting Corey to move to that role but he can only do so much. Corey improved on being a distributor while struggling a bit with his decision making. Whether it was Gettys or Mike or Freeman they all seemed to accept their roles on what they had to do. The bench struggled this year. We had depth but just not quality depth. The freshmen were not ready to contribute like they would need to win games. Thats okay for this season. Next year we need to see the improvement from Eugene and Thiam because those guys have the most potential for growth.

I caution the fans though about expectations.I hope some our more optimistic fans simmer down about expecations. RU won 3 league games this year. True they were competitive and had leads deep in several games...but you know what, you can say the same thing for just about every school in this league. Its a tough conference. There are no easies. Being competitive is just one part of the equation. It was a step that the program took from having a losing attitude expecting to get blown out. Competing is not winning. Having leads is not winning. The program is still in the process of learning how to win games. Certainly the wins over Illinois and Ohio State were steps in the right direction...back to back wins against better talent, games that could have easily gone the other direction. The team made the plays down the stretch to win. Thats tangible progress from earlier in the year.

Unfortunately as of now RU is just bringing in two players, both guards and one is not known for providing any offense and Baker will be a freshmen that is far from a savior. They lose Gettys and leave a very shaky situation at center with Doorson/Sa not looking like they can handle a full time role. Then we have the attrition. I would expect 2-3 players gone this year, most can assume who they might be. It will open up schollies for the 2018 and 2019 classes where Pike really needs to land some impact players. Next year we can hope that this team with experience can close out a few more of these games and reverse a couple of losses. Still RU does not exist in a vacuum. The Big 10 was down this year and young too. It will be better next year, mark my words. Also RU will not sneak up on anyone next year like they did on a few teams this year. Word is out that RU plays hard. RU has the 14th rated class coming in. Everyone is getting better, even if some schools have players leaving they will plug in greater talent than what RU has. RU will have the advantage of another year under Pike's tutelage and will carry experience as their strength.

Do not know how the Big 10 schedule will shake out or non conference. The non conference schedule was extremely weak this year but it was the right choice. I expect next years will be a bit tougher so not sure if 11-2 will be duplicated. I think the program should be challenged by some tougher low end Power 5 schools and some tougher mid majors. I think a goal of getting 6 conference wins next year is reasonable. Some may say that is setting expectations too low. Well consider PSU only had 6. Indiana with all their talent only had 7. Very tough to move up in league. Unless you pull a Pitino who had a great class coming to go along with a strong nucleus that had lost alot of close games the year before, schools do not make leaps of 6 or more games...Do not expect RU to go 9-9 in league next year unless a Jerome Coleman lands in our lap. If this team can keep the attitude from this season get 6 conference wins and wins 10 non conferences, RU would finish 16-15 their first plus 500 season in 11 or 12 years. that would be taking the next necessary step and help Pike out with his recruiting. Could they overacheive? Certainly, I would not rule it out, they could make a surprise NIT run and the experience factor would be the catalyst but we should be careful not to heap expectations for next year.

if you follow this progression...knowing that year 3 might be a slight step back with alot of new players coming in....

year 1: 15-18/3-15
year 2: 17-16/6-12 possibly CBI?
year 3: 15-18/4-14
year 4: 18-15/7-11 NIT bubble?
year 5: 20-13/9-9 NIT, NCAA bubble

I think this is the progression that realistically we are looking at here given the talent we have, the talent leaving and the talent yet recruited. I do think year 3 is going to be a growing pains kind of year for the program with Johnson, Williams, and Freeman all leaving and freshmen for that class still to be recruited besides Doucoure and who knows if Sanders also leaves. Then in year 4 hopefully with newer talent taking on greater roles things start coming into play and year 5 the NCAA could at least be visible even if not attained. I am okay with a 6 year plan for the NCAA tourney.

RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT....cannot be stressed enough, nothing more needs to be said. Pike and his staff can coach. Its a given. Can they recruit? That is the question and the whole premise of turning things around will crumble if they cannot recruit solid talent for both 2018 and 2019

If you read this far, thank you. I realize its a long post but I posted this on a coffee buzz.
 
Once against the Rutgers basketball season has come to a close before we have hit the midpoint of March but finally we have a program filled with hope and optimism for the future. This year was not going to be about wins and losses. It was going to be about a culture change across the board. The steps taken by the players and what Coack Pikiell instilled in this program is going to be the bridge to the future. He is doing it the right way and the kids are buying into it the right way. The stench of losing culture and expecting to lose every game and not just lose but to lose by alot has been eliminated. I do not think this team came into any game this year thinking that they could not win. Not one. Contrast that with the prior 3 years. Last year RU won 7 games and set records for losses by over 20 and 30 points over the previous 3 years of Jordan. This year they won 15 games! An 8 game improvement plus were competitive in many more losses. RU did not give up in adversity once they went down. Gone was the routine of curling into a ball..and yes there were a couple of games it happened..Iowa/Michigan State/last night vs Northwestern but that will happen. Even the best of teams have the doors blown off of them. You can have those exceptions, the pattern shows otherswise.

Pike taught them on how to compete. Improvements across the board (except foul shooting). I know people will say wait this team shot worse than last year or previous Jordan teams well we need to accept that this is not a good shooting team, very offensively challenged and its been a challenge for the staff to generate offense. Thats why the emphasize on rebounding and defense was so important to get this team to compete and believe and it really worked. I thought while the shooting woes persisted most of the season, I thought this was a well run offense for the talent we have. RU just does not have that natural point guard with those instincts, Pike did a solid job in getting Corey to move to that role but he can only do so much. Corey improved on being a distributor while struggling a bit with his decision making. Whether it was Gettys or Mike or Freeman they all seemed to accept their roles on what they had to do. The bench struggled this year. We had depth but just not quality depth. The freshmen were not ready to contribute like they would need to win games. Thats okay for this season. Next year we need to see the improvement from Eugene and Thiam because those guys have the most potential for growth.

I caution the fans though about expectations.I hope some our more optimistic fans simmer down about expecations. RU won 3 league games this year. True they were competitive and had leads deep in several games...but you know what, you can say the same thing for just about every school in this league. Its a tough conference. There are no easies. Being competitive is just one part of the equation. It was a step that the program took from having a losing attitude expecting to get blown out. Competing is not winning. Having leads is not winning. The program is still in the process of learning how to win games. Certainly the wins over Illinois and Ohio State were steps in the right direction...back to back wins against better talent, games that could have easily gone the other direction. The team made the plays down the stretch to win. Thats tangible progress from earlier in the year.

Unfortunately as of now RU is just bringing in two players, both guards and one is not known for providing any offense and Baker will be a freshmen that is far from a savior. They lose Gettys and leave a very shaky situation at center with Doorson/Sa not looking like they can handle a full time role. Then we have the attrition. I would expect 2-3 players gone this year, most can assume who they might be. It will open up schollies for the 2018 and 2019 classes where Pike really needs to land some impact players. Next year we can hope that this team with experience can close out a few more of these games and reverse a couple of losses. Still RU does not exist in a vacuum. The Big 10 was down this year and young too. It will be better next year, mark my words. Also RU will not sneak up on anyone next year like they did on a few teams this year. Word is out that RU plays hard. RU has the 14th rated class coming in. Everyone is getting better, even if some schools have players leaving they will plug in greater talent than what RU has. RU will have the advantage of another year under Pike's tutelage and will carry experience as their strength.

Do not know how the Big 10 schedule will shake out or non conference. The non conference schedule was extremely weak this year but it was the right choice. I expect next years will be a bit tougher so not sure if 11-2 will be duplicated. I think the program should be challenged by some tougher low end Power 5 schools and some tougher mid majors. I think a goal of getting 6 conference wins next year is reasonable. Some may say that is setting expectations too low. Well consider PSU only had 6. Indiana with all their talent only had 7. Very tough to move up in league. Unless you pull a Pitino who had a great class coming to go along with a strong nucleus that had lost alot of close games the year before, schools do not make leaps of 6 or more games...Do not expect RU to go 9-9 in league next year unless a Jerome Coleman lands in our lap. If this team can keep the attitude from this season get 6 conference wins and wins 10 non conferences, RU would finish 16-15 their first plus 500 season in 11 or 12 years. that would be taking the next necessary step and help Pike out with his recruiting. Could they overacheive? Certainly, I would not rule it out, they could make a surprise NIT run and the experience factor would be the catalyst but we should be careful not to heap expectations for next year.

if you follow this progression...knowing that year 3 might be a slight step back with alot of new players coming in....

year 1: 15-18/3-15
year 2: 17-16/6-12 possibly CBI?
year 3: 15-18/4-14
year 4: 18-15/7-11 NIT bubble?
year 5: 20-13/9-9 NIT, NCAA bubble

I think this is the progression that realistically we are looking at here given the talent we have, the talent leaving and the talent yet recruited. I do think year 3 is going to be a growing pains kind of year for the program with Johnson, Williams, and Freeman all leaving and freshmen for that class still to be recruited besides Doucoure and who knows if Sanders also leaves. Then in year 4 hopefully with newer talent taking on greater roles things start coming into play and year 5 the NCAA could at least be visible even if not attained. I am okay with a 6 year plan for the NCAA tourney.

RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT....cannot be stressed enough, nothing more needs to be said. Pike and his staff can coach. Its a given. Can they recruit? That is the question and the whole premise of turning things around will crumble if they cannot recruit solid talent for both 2018 and 2019

If you read this far, thank you. I realize its a long post but I posted this on a coffee buzz.

Good stuff, bac. I like that you account for a step back. Looking at a lot of rebuilding programs, there's always a step back year--particularly when you think a team is going to break through. There are injuries, learning curves, recruiting missteps. I have full faith in Pikiell, but it will be a while. And that's okay.
 
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Bac, what kind of coffee do you drink?Just curious.

I agree. Need to see a lot of improvement from Sanders from his decision making, and offensive skills perspective. I trust he can do it. I hope he prioritizes basketball and his school work over everything.

Future is bright, but recruiting gets you the wins. I trust he does it.

Thiam will weight will grab some boards, and be able to get easier shots to diversify his game.

We will know a lot more in the next 8 weeks. If two people transfer, you can bet Pikiell will bring in someone he needs.
 
Bac, what kind of coffee do you drink?Just curious.

I agree. Need to see a lot of improvement from Sanders from his decision making, and offensive skills perspective. I trust he can do it. I hope he prioritizes basketball and his school work over everything.

Future is bright, but recruiting gets you the wins. I trust he does it.

Thiam will weight will grab some boards, and be able to get easier shots to diversify his game.

We will know a lot more in the next 8 weeks. If two people transfer, you can bet Pikiell will bring in someone he needs.


Melitta Hazelnut...always make it very strong
 
Good stuff, bac. I like that you account for a step back. Looking at a lot of rebuilding programs, there's always a step back year--particularly when you think a team is going to break through. There are injuries, learning curves, recruiting missteps. I have full faith in Pikiell, but it will be a while. And that's okay.


thanks...no matter how I look at it I can't quite get around how year 3 is not going to be a slight step back and thats always the year the fans start to grumble..remember JayWright. Losing Freeman, Johnson, and Williams is huge...maybe even Sanders? Tough to count on freshmen to lead. Going to need some sizable jumps from Thiam and Eugene over the next two years and I may be a bit optimistic even with the year 3 projected record. Hope people are patient that year. Hoping that Pike can land an impact transfer from another school this off season that would be eligible to play in 2018
 
More recruits more wins. We had a yr with lots of improvement but i never have seen a worse shooting team. Ever
 
thanks...no matter how I look at it I can't quite get around how year 3 is not going to be a slight step back and thats always the year the fans start to grumble..remember JayWright. Losing Freeman, Johnson, and Williams is huge...maybe even Sanders? Tough to count on freshmen to lead. Going to need some sizable jumps from Thiam and Eugene over the next two years and I may be a bit optimistic even with the year 3 projected record. Hope people are patient that year. Hoping that Pike can land an impact transfer from another school this off season that would be eligible to play in 2018

Dan Hurley (maybe), Kevin Willard, Jay Wright, Mick Cronin... everyone had a year where they either treaded water or took a step back before they broke through. Patience is needed.
 
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The ship got turned around this year and is heading in the right direction. For the past 3 years, the ship was the Titanic.
 
I like that your progress graph is not linear.

I think the foundation has been built. i am guessing success in the future may be with pieces we don't even know right now.
 
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2017-18: Finally an upperclassman heavy team. Provided no one transfers (which is unlikely, but for sake of argument until something is announced), we'll have 9 guys next year in their Jr or Sr year of eligibility. Hopefully that leads to some stability and some "been there before" leadership in close games, but this is largely the same team we had this year (minus Gettys, plus Baker/Mensah).

2018-19: Again more upperclassman heavy (8), pending any transfers. If any transfers happen this summer, it'll almost certainly be out of the group that will be upperclassman in 2018-19. So, maybe we have 5-8 upperclassmen in this season, with 5-8 underclassmen. Really important that the guys we add in this class are better than Freeman/Johnson/Williams/Sa for us to start raising the bar for the program. Incoming players need to be at a higher level than outgoing ones to move the needle.

2019-20: Very underclassman heavy team (9), unless we bring in some transfers or Jucos. The only guys from the current team who may be around in 2019-20 will be Thiam, Omoruyi, and Bullock. Baker would be a junior. That leaves 9 underclassmen (maybe more). Again, the incoming group has to be better than the outgoing one (as of now, that'd be Sanders, Doorson, Laurent, Diallo, Mensah).

As bac said... RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT. The 2018 and 2019 class will very likely determine whether Pike is ultimately successful here longer term or not.
 
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Make some open looks, some more putbacks, more layups and shoot those foul shots better and they have a winning record this year !
 
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The ship got turned around this year and is heading in the right direction. For the past 3 years, the ship was the Titanic.
Yeah, but until it hit the iceberg not too shabby. LOL
 
The team elevated itself out of the Disaster category. The issues remain roster management, attracting players that would get meaningful minutes at other Big Ten teams if they weren't here, and keeping the staff intact. Attracting meaningful players can not be limited to 4-year scholarship players -- we need talented transfers, graduate transfers, JUCOs, and foreigners. Rutgers has never been resourceful enough in clearing roster spots and "finding players". Our staff could use roster management lessons from Rick Pitino and Bob Huggins (and I'll add Joe Dooley at FGCU). The next few years it is hard to imagine who we are going to climb over in the Big Ten standings.
 
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Your point about the league getting better is important to note. Fans that think we are going to take a big step forward next year seem to underestimate that. And as you say, very unlikely to duplicate 11-2 OOC even if we are much better. Finally, recruiting seems to be the final piece to the Pikiell puzzle. He is a great coach. But will he get top talent to Rutgers? That's unproven at this point.
The main thing is to enjoy the process and understand things are trending up.
 
Well written BAC. The past few years I have been so programmed watching the team go in the tank as soon as they had a bad streak such as the other team taking a ten point lead, that this year I always expected that a 10 point run by the other team would be the end of the game. I would think: it's over. But time and time again they would battle back. To me, that is one of the best indicators for the future. Recruiting is huge.
 
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As BAC said... RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT. At least now that the season is over Coach and staff and spend the next week or so attending all the state playoff games.
 
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BAC, good write-up. I too think we'll take a step back probably in year three just because of losing the guys you mentioned. But I think as the new facility is built so will Pikiell's recruiting acumen take shape. He knows what he needs to compete in the B1G and I believe he will get some of those kids to commit.

I think Rutgers will be very successful getting recruits who are three and four year players going forward. It would be an anomaly to actually get a one and done player down the road. I think the model for this should be Wisconsin and to a lesser extent Michigan State. Izzo gets great players, but I don't recall in the last ten seasons where he had a superstar one and done player. We know we need shooters and the better teams not only have one or two really good shooters from the outside, but three to four good shooters from the outside and a good shooter off the bench. Once we get that and have good inside play, the sky is the limit for the program.
 
The team elevated itself out of the Disaster category. The issues remain roster management, attracting players that would get meaningful minutes at other Big Ten teams if they weren't here, and keeping the staff intact. Attracting meaningful players can not be limited to 4-year scholarship players -- we need talented transfers, graduate transfers, JUCOs, and foreigners. Rutgers has never been resourceful enough in clearing roster spots and "finding players". Our staff could use roster management lessons from Rick Pitino and Bob Huggins (and I'll add Joe Dooley at FGCU). The next few years it is hard to imagine who we are going to climb over in the Big Ten standings.

We have not had issues clearing space, it just the replacements have not been better. There has been a lot of turnover of the roster for many years.
 
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Good OP.

It's funny that you've addressed overal BIG youth and other strong incoming classes consistently (tough obstacle) and used it to express that teams cant just expect to climb the conference hierarchy - and then Minnesota goes and disproves the theory - however unlikely or unexpected it may have been. As an aside, i tabbed Coffey as a Freshman to watch and he really grew on me more than I expected - we could use a player like him.

Gotta recruit now.
 
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I guess the Ohio State game doesn't count towards progress--is that all you have to add?
 
Excellent summary, Bac.
Sure seems that the staff is putting in the work to recruit. They seem to be everywhere and now have at the minimum basic, tangible results to show off to recruits.
I'm confident that there's enough high level experience to manage the roster.
 
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The write up is excellent but it also is what Pike and the staff inherited.....if we had a full roster or close to one, you probably don't take Eugene and DJ Foreman could have stayed and contributed....he was a similar player in he wasn't a jump shooter, but he was a player that could have been a value-added player inside and defensively.

With that said, if you have attrition of two players, the two potential replacements that may come in could absorb some of the potential dropoff expected in 2018....I don't think they have to be freshman, but ideally it does add a freshman so you have 3 pieces learning the system in Year one.

Baker Doucoure and a 3rd freshman not yet named with a JUCO/5th year player, takes some sting out of having to have an elite class to replace Freeman, Johnson and Williams.

I am not Mensah is a player that ultimately makes it to RU, but I am deferring to the staff because his value isn't really necessary for the 2017-18 year, as much as it's having some semblance of a backcourt/bench in 2018-19.

The staff recognizes the gaps on the roster that are there for 2018 and if there is a way to build a small bridge this spring with a couple of players, there should be a way to do that. We need one decent piece or two this spring and we can feel confident that we are not looking at a steep dropoff after 2017-18.
 
Good OP.

It's funny that you've addressed overal BIG youth and other strong incoming classes consistently (tough obstacle) and used it to express that teams cant just expect to climb the conference hierarchy - and then Minnesota goes and disproves the theory - however unlikely or unexpected it may have been. As an aside, i tabbed Coffey as a Freshman to watch and he really grew on me more than I expected - we could use a player like him.

Gotta recruit now.


Minnesota exception not the rule....but if we want to get into that...their class was top 25 added to a team that had young talent the year before that lost a slew of close games and perhaps underacheived a bit. People expecting Minnesota to contend for a bid but no one expected them to be this good. Pitino did a phenomenal job by their talent is/was better than what RU has
 
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Long,,and good article[thumb2]

I have FAITH in coach P......on every level. He WILL recruit well IMO.....especially because there are local kids that would LOVE to play B10 while staying close to home.

Coach P will find those marginal kids that will buy into the system and blossom while attracting some blue chip kids that will surprise us all. He did wonders with a team that in his own words "arent the most talented"....and we impressed friend and foe alike THIS year.

All we need next year is TWO solid performers & he will make us all proud !!!

[cheers]For the 1st time in a DECADE I look forward to next year!!!!!![cheers]
 
We have not had issues clearing space, it just the replacements have not been better. There has been a lot of turnover of the roster for many years.
Need to be way more resourceful landing players. Use your imagination when I say"resourceful". Players end up at different schools for lots of reasons. Some nearby programs that have been resourceful ... Villanova and Seton Hall, for starters. Throw Louisville and West Virginia and FGCU into the discussion. Completely dispose of the recruit locally paradigm -- we have 25 years of evidence that it will not work. That ship has sailed. We need players, period.
 
Good OP.

It's funny that you've addressed overal BIG youth and other strong incoming classes consistently (tough obstacle) and used it to express that teams cant just expect to climb the conference hierarchy - and then Minnesota goes and disproves the theory - however unlikely or unexpected it may have been. As an aside, i tabbed Coffey as a Freshman to watch and he really grew on me more than I expected - we could use a player like him.

Gotta recruit now.

Not sure if Minnesota was really disproving any theory, really. They had a really bad year last year (4-12 in games decided by single digits), but they had routinely been winning 6-8 conference games a year before that.

2016-17 - 4th (11-7)
2015-16 - 13th (2-16)
2014-15 - 10th (6-12)
2013-14 - 7th (8-10) (Pitino's first season)
2012-13 - 7th (8-10)
2011-12 - 9th (6-12)
2010-11 - 9th (6-12)
2009-10 - 6th (9-9)

Pitino did exactly what we need to do, though... built through successively better recruiting classes, that bring in solid contributors.

2013 - #11 class in B1G. Two contributors. Matthieu, King. Both transfers into the program.
2014 - #9 class in B1G. Three contributors. Mason, Morris, Konate (all 3*)
2015 - #7 class in B1G. Three contributors. McBrayer and Murphy (both 3*), and Lynch (transfer from Illinois St). Also had one 4* (Dorsey) who transferred after the season.
2016 - #5 class in B1G. Three contributors. Coffey (first 4* to make an impact), Curry (3*), and Springs (Transfer from Milwaukee)

None of those were dominant recruiting classes... but they all added contributing pieces to Pitino's puzzle, and with solid coaching have turned Minnesota into a strong program this year.
 
We need that practice facility and the upgrades to the RAC. Coach Pike has plans to show recruits but little else. The future depends on recruiting and that practice facility is needed to recruit the type of player Pike needs to win. That facility will get built when the money is in and that's no where close to being a reality today in the real world. We want Naz Reid a program changer to come to RUTGERS but in reality why should that kid come here compared to the other schools recruiting him? To get that kid and others like him it takes proof of a commitment to the program and while there are signs of it coming it's not even being built yet. Pike mentioned the facility two times in his press conference after the game. It's is extremely important to the future of the program and we are not close to that being started yet. At the end of the day it's the players that win and we finished last because our players are not good enough.
 
Good job Bac. With these guys being great coaches, we need to find transfers. Bring in two grad transfers and maybe we don't take that step back.
 
We need that practice facility and the upgrades to the RAC. Coach Pike has plans to show recruits but little else. The future depends on recruiting and that practice facility is needed to recruit the type of player Pike needs to win. That facility will get built when the money is in and that's no where close to being a reality today in the real world. We want Naz Reid a program changer to come to RUTGERS but in reality why should that kid come here compared to the other schools recruiting him? To get that kid and others like him it takes proof of a commitment to the program and while there are signs of it coming it's not even being built yet. Pike mentioned the facility two times in his press conference after the game. It's is extremely important to the future of the program and we are not close to that being started yet. At the end of the day it's the players that win and we finished last because our players are not good enough.

I've watched Naz Reid multiple times and he's been suspended twice for games this year at Roselle Catholic....he's not a game changing recruit based on his play, but on his perception of what he can potentially do......unless he really ramps up his intensity and desire to be a great player....he is mercurial at best and has a monster Pro Body, but not in the best shape as far as conditioning is concerned. Whomever lands him, will have a pretty good prospect.

The double edged sword is that I believe his best fit is here at RU, but recruits at this level usually leak out for greener pastures....RU doesn't need a 5* recruit as much as it needs two solid 3-4* players that will be at RU for 4 full years....the players Minnesota has landed are excellent college players, just not elite enough to leave for the NBA too early. You get 3 classes in a row of solid 3-4* kids and you are better off vs a 5* that is there for a season or two.
 
IMO It will take a complete turnover of the current roster before we can be a threat to win against the better teams in the B1G.

But Coach Pike has shown that he can have some success with the current roster of fringe players that he inherited and the players he cobbled together this season.

I really hope that he shows some of our big men the door after this season.
 
I could go for the grad transfer version of Earl Duncan and Keith Hughes right about now. ;)
Or just this...
The double edged sword is that I believe his best fit is here at RU, but recruits at this level usually leak out for greener pastures....RU doesn't need a 5* recruit as much as it needs two solid 3-4* players that will be at RU for 4 full years....the players Minnesota has landed are excellent college players, just not elite enough to leave for the NBA too early. You get 3 classes in a row of solid 3-4* kids and you are better off vs a 5* that is there for a season or two.
 
Once against the Rutgers basketball season has come to a close before we have hit the midpoint of March but finally we have a program filled with hope and optimism for the future. This year was not going to be about wins and losses. It was going to be about a culture change across the board. The steps taken by the players and what Coack Pikiell instilled in this program is going to be the bridge to the future. He is doing it the right way and the kids are buying into it the right way. The stench of losing culture and expecting to lose every game and not just lose but to lose by alot has been eliminated. I do not think this team came into any game this year thinking that they could not win. Not one. Contrast that with the prior 3 years. Last year RU won 7 games and set records for losses by over 20 and 30 points over the previous 3 years of Jordan. This year they won 15 games! An 8 game improvement plus were competitive in many more losses. RU did not give up in adversity once they went down. Gone was the routine of curling into a ball..and yes there were a couple of games it happened..Iowa/Michigan State/last night vs Northwestern but that will happen. Even the best of teams have the doors blown off of them. You can have those exceptions, the pattern shows otherswise.

Pike taught them on how to compete. Improvements across the board (except foul shooting). I know people will say wait this team shot worse than last year or previous Jordan teams well we need to accept that this is not a good shooting team, very offensively challenged and its been a challenge for the staff to generate offense. Thats why the emphasize on rebounding and defense was so important to get this team to compete and believe and it really worked. I thought while the shooting woes persisted most of the season, I thought this was a well run offense for the talent we have. RU just does not have that natural point guard with those instincts, Pike did a solid job in getting Corey to move to that role but he can only do so much. Corey improved on being a distributor while struggling a bit with his decision making. Whether it was Gettys or Mike or Freeman they all seemed to accept their roles on what they had to do. The bench struggled this year. We had depth but just not quality depth. The freshmen were not ready to contribute like they would need to win games. Thats okay for this season. Next year we need to see the improvement from Eugene and Thiam because those guys have the most potential for growth.

I caution the fans though about expectations.I hope some our more optimistic fans simmer down about expecations. RU won 3 league games this year. True they were competitive and had leads deep in several games...but you know what, you can say the same thing for just about every school in this league. Its a tough conference. There are no easies. Being competitive is just one part of the equation. It was a step that the program took from having a losing attitude expecting to get blown out. Competing is not winning. Having leads is not winning. The program is still in the process of learning how to win games. Certainly the wins over Illinois and Ohio State were steps in the right direction...back to back wins against better talent, games that could have easily gone the other direction. The team made the plays down the stretch to win. Thats tangible progress from earlier in the year.

Unfortunately as of now RU is just bringing in two players, both guards and one is not known for providing any offense and Baker will be a freshmen that is far from a savior. They lose Gettys and leave a very shaky situation at center with Doorson/Sa not looking like they can handle a full time role. Then we have the attrition. I would expect 2-3 players gone this year, most can assume who they might be. It will open up schollies for the 2018 and 2019 classes where Pike really needs to land some impact players. Next year we can hope that this team with experience can close out a few more of these games and reverse a couple of losses. Still RU does not exist in a vacuum. The Big 10 was down this year and young too. It will be better next year, mark my words. Also RU will not sneak up on anyone next year like they did on a few teams this year. Word is out that RU plays hard. RU has the 14th rated class coming in. Everyone is getting better, even if some schools have players leaving they will plug in greater talent than what RU has. RU will have the advantage of another year under Pike's tutelage and will carry experience as their strength.

Do not know how the Big 10 schedule will shake out or non conference. The non conference schedule was extremely weak this year but it was the right choice. I expect next years will be a bit tougher so not sure if 11-2 will be duplicated. I think the program should be challenged by some tougher low end Power 5 schools and some tougher mid majors. I think a goal of getting 6 conference wins next year is reasonable. Some may say that is setting expectations too low. Well consider PSU only had 6. Indiana with all their talent only had 7. Very tough to move up in league. Unless you pull a Pitino who had a great class coming to go along with a strong nucleus that had lost alot of close games the year before, schools do not make leaps of 6 or more games...Do not expect RU to go 9-9 in league next year unless a Jerome Coleman lands in our lap. If this team can keep the attitude from this season get 6 conference wins and wins 10 non conferences, RU would finish 16-15 their first plus 500 season in 11 or 12 years. that would be taking the next necessary step and help Pike out with his recruiting. Could they overacheive? Certainly, I would not rule it out, they could make a surprise NIT run and the experience factor would be the catalyst but we should be careful not to heap expectations for next year.

if you follow this progression...knowing that year 3 might be a slight step back with alot of new players coming in....

year 1: 15-18/3-15
year 2: 17-16/6-12 possibly CBI?
year 3: 15-18/4-14
year 4: 18-15/7-11 NIT bubble?
year 5: 20-13/9-9 NIT, NCAA bubble

I think this is the progression that realistically we are looking at here given the talent we have, the talent leaving and the talent yet recruited. I do think year 3 is going to be a growing pains kind of year for the program with Johnson, Williams, and Freeman all leaving and freshmen for that class still to be recruited besides Doucoure and who knows if Sanders also leaves. Then in year 4 hopefully with newer talent taking on greater roles things start coming into play and year 5 the NCAA could at least be visible even if not attained. I am okay with a 6 year plan for the NCAA tourney.

RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT....cannot be stressed enough, nothing more needs to be said. Pike and his staff can coach. Its a given. Can they recruit? That is the question and the whole premise of turning things around will crumble if they cannot recruit solid talent for both 2018 and 2019

If you read this far, thank you. I realize its a long post but I posted this on a coffee buzz.
I think the loss of Gettys will be huge. Yes he had physical limitations but hard to replace his basketball smarts , leadership , excellent hands and passing skills , timely rebounding and offense , and enthusiasm......
 
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As BAC said... RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT. At least now that the season is over Coach and staff and spend the next week or so attending all the state playoff games.
The stuff about process and culture is horsefeathers. Yes, recruit, recruit, recruit. I do not agree about all the energy spent recruiting locally. That ship sailed many years ago. Find players in the Big Ten regions. Where do Butler and Xavier and Creighton find their players? VCU? Find them in Texas. Find them in Atlanta. Find them in Florida. The provincial recruiting strategy has never worked. And never will. Mr. Magoo recruiting.
 
Bac Keep that passion man. I used to have your it too but 50 years of pain and suffering with RU hoops and football have made me a fan but no longer a fanatic. It is for guys like you and BK that I wish that we finally change this culture of extreme losing. Now you can decompress.
 
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there is a lot of good stuff...

This is a big 8 months coming up....I know many think my thoughts for next season are too lofty...but I really think we can be a LOT better next year. (and I know about others getting better) This is a big offseason

And this a big recruiting class coming up. Doucoure plus three more for the class of 2018.

This is my most anticipated off season in Rutgers basketball since the end of Bannon's first year in 1998...between recruiting and following up of improvement of some success this year
 
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