I know why he left, because he read all those
full of shit posts. putting him down constantly.
I am glad he left, after watching that crap we saw today.
Still better off without Spencer & Mulcahy
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full of shit posts. putting him down constantly.
I am glad he left, after watching that crap we saw today.
Look at Cliff's numbers without Paul
Both kids are enormous losses
Arguing otherwise is silly
Arguing otherwise is silly
I don’t think Cliff’s numbers would be much different this year with Paul. Cliff has been terrible around the rim. Don’t think regression would be much different
I like how everyone is still on this item when Mulcahy has actually gone scoreless in the last 2 games, but fans want to see what they want to see. It's one thing to argue actual basketball and have a discussion that accounts for play on the court, but no one wants to explain why and prefers to go into speculation or what was likely to happen.
I'm really convinced that there aren't any people who watch basketball games beyond RU or the B1G, which is OK....
If fans want to speculate or guess that Mulcahy would be better here, I'd stop there......
If I speculate that Mulcahy wouldn't be any different than what he provided here, I could stop there too.
If I wanted to actually watch games and state that UConn has 4 better players than Cam Spencer and is on a loaded Top 5 to 10 team, am I speculating or stating a fact??
If I stated that Spencer played 30+ games at RU and would not nearly score as many points at RU this year vs UConn this year, is that wrong or speculation??
What is actually sad or disturbing and disappointing are reading these leaps and guesses....that Mulcahy would solve Cliffs missed layups and he would be playing better here. But if there was actually one shred of evidence that indicated that, based on his play at Washington, I'd actually be a willing person to discuss the basketball aspect, how Washington plays vs RU, maybe compare the likely level of competition etc....
Instead, some of the same people speculating about how good Mulcahy would actually play here, are the same posters literally complaining about the Top recruiting class and watching tape in HS on Dylan Harper and saying "man, he doesn't look like he plays any defense".....it's like they complain about offense and because Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper are actually very talented offensive players, let's not talk about offense, let's find fault and talk about defense??? Really.....LMAO
There's a segment of RU fans literally locked in a losing mindset and accept mediocrity at every turn. They also tuck and run at the 1st signs of trouble. They're "used to losing" and it seeps through every post, willing to accept below average to average and unwilling to try and expand beyond that.....maybe one day, some people can return to actually being a fan, instead of seeing or guessing on what they want to see.
I'm really convinced that there aren't any people who watch basketball games beyond RU or the B1G, which is OK....
If fans want to speculate or guess that Mulcahy would be better here, I'd stop there......
If I speculate that Mulcahy wouldn't be any different than what he provided here, I could stop there too.
If I wanted to actually watch games and state that UConn has 4 better players than Cam Spencer and is on a loaded Top 5 to 10 team, am I speculating or stating a fact??
If I stated that Spencer played 30+ games at RU and would not nearly score as many points at RU this year vs UConn this year, is that wrong or speculation??
What is actually sad or disturbing and disappointing are reading these leaps and guesses....that Mulcahy would solve Cliffs missed layups and he would be playing better here. But if there was actually one shred of evidence that indicated that, based on his play at Washington, I'd actually be a willing person to discuss the basketball aspect, how Washington plays vs RU, maybe compare the likely level of competition etc....
Instead, some of the same people speculating about how good Mulcahy would actually play here, are the same posters literally complaining about the Top recruiting class and watching tape in HS on Dylan Harper and saying "man, he doesn't look like he plays any defense".....it's like they complain about offense and because Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper are actually very talented offensive players, let's not talk about offense, let's find fault and talk about defense??? Really.....LMAO
There's a segment of RU fans literally locked in a losing mindset and accept mediocrity at every turn. They also tuck and run at the 1st signs of trouble. They're "used to losing" and it seeps through every post, willing to accept below average to average and unwilling to try and expand beyond that.....maybe one day, some people can return to actually being a fan, instead of seeing or guessing on what they want to see.
Hawk you literally just told us yesterday we would be a much better team if we had 3 bench players.
Now you’re back over here still trying to lecture us on how we wouldn’t be a better team with Cam and Paul.
When will you take the “L” on this one?
For your own credibility - please just do it.
Hawk - I hear you. Are there some people who are on the extremes as you point out in your note. Sure.
but for me, I dont think it's a huge leap to say we'd be in the hunt for a bid if Cam and Paul were still here. Which is my main point.
And I think it's not insane to suggest that Paul complemented Cliff's game (which seems to get worse by the minute/day/week)...
in other words, 80% of your post can be true AND it can also be true that we'd be better with Paul and Cam.
I actually started this thread
I certainly expected Derrick to take a step forward as talented young players normally do.
I expected that Noah would continue to shoot around 40% from three as he had done in the previous two seasons.
I also expected that a kid that Pike had called one of the best freshman in the country , would not get buried on the bench.
In 20-21 we had a lineup of very good players ,
Miles , Yaboah, RHJ,Geo,Jacob Young
We had Mathis , Mulcahy and Caleb too
That team average 69 pts a game
212th in the country
That was Our best offensive team of the last 6 years
Anyone see a trend ?
I love Pike but he only sees the game through the defensive end
It's incredible actually
He is stubbornly trying to fit the players to his idea of basketball instead of trying to fit the play to the players on the roster
Why do so many players fail to get better offensively under him?
Caleb shot 40% from 3 his freshman year and in the 20s as a senior
Geo averaged around 12 as a freshman and about the same as a senior
Cliff no comment
Noah F is a good player that shot 40% from 3 over the previous two seasons
He is shooting in the 20s now
Gavin G got 25 in a game early in the year and now looks destroyed as a player
What is Pike going to do if Dylan and Ace don't play enough defense next year ?
Pike needs to reevaluate how he looks at the game
I certainly expected Derrick to take a step forward as talented young players normally do.
I expected that Noah would continue to shoot around 40% from three as he had done in the previous two seasons.
I also expected that a kid that Pike had called one of the best freshman in the country , would not get buried on the bench.
In 20-21 we had a lineup of very good players ,
Miles , Yaboah, RHJ,Geo,Jacob Young
We had Mathis , Mulcahy and Caleb too
That team average 69 pts a game
212th in the country
That was Our best offensive team of the last 6 years
Anyone see a trend ?
I love Pike but he only sees the game through the defensive end
It's incredible actually
He is stubbornly trying to fit the players to his idea of basketball instead of trying to fit the play to the players on the roster
Why do so many players fail to get better offensively under him?
Caleb shot 40% from 3 his freshman year and in the 20s as a senior
Geo averaged around 12 as a freshman and about the same as a senior
Cliff no comment
Noah F is a good player that shot 40% from 3 over the previous two seasons
He is shooting in the 20s now
Gavin G got 25 in a game early in the year and now looks destroyed as a player
What is Pike going to do if Dylan and Ace don't play enough defense next year ?
Pike needs to reevaluate how he looks at the game
Unfortunately for us, we don’t all possess the levels of delusion necessary to believe that the #254 offense is “better”.
I am with you...1000% with you
he is about to inherit some incredible talent...and I think this is a cross-roads for Pike. He needs to get an offensive brain on his staff pronto. Think an offensive version of Jay Young.
this is a requirement for our program to take the next step and utilize the talent on the roster.
simply saying we need to shoot better is whistling past the graveyard. there's a fundamental issue here that he needs to grapple with ... and get on the path to fixing.
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Our guards are clearly not at the level they need to be at this year. They are all bench players on a B1G-level team right now (at best) but are forced to play starters minutes. Fernandes/Griffiths aren't even at that level and have largely played their way out of the rotation.
The grand experiment of getting faster players is not showing success - largely because these seem to be the wrong faster players.
Hoping that we can actually get J. Williams on the court soon, because all minutes are up for grabs right now at the two guard spots, and there are clear signs that we may soon be writing off the postseason and trying to develop returning guys for next year.
Our guards are clearly not at the level they need to be at this year. They are all bench players on a B1G-level team right now (at best) but are forced to play starters minutes. Fernandes/Griffiths aren't even at that level and have largely played their way out of the rotation.
The grand experiment of getting faster players is not showing success - largely because these seem to be the wrong faster players.
Hoping that we can actually get J. Williams on the court soon, because all minutes are up for grabs right now at the two guard spots, and there are clear signs that we may soon be writing off the postseason and trying to develop returning guys for next year.
It was a terrible take then. It’s still a terrible take.
You of all people have no credibility to comment on Spencer. You claimed he would be playing 15 minutes a game for UConn. It turns out he is the leading scorer on one of the best teams in the country, shooting an incredible 51.4% from the floor, and almost 47% from 3. He would easily have been our best player if he came back.
Hawk's attempting to say there is no evidence that Cliff plays better with Paul when all evidence says otherwise
Literally years of evidence. Game after game after game after game Paul gets Cliff easy dunks but somehow they would both have forgotten how to play with each other this season. It's a nonsensical argument not be taken seriously
Literally years of evidence. Game after game after game after game Paul gets Cliff easy dunks but somehow they would both have forgotten how to play with each other this season. It's a nonsensical argument not be taken seriously
It’s amazing what can happen when a great shooter is in a system that can properly play to his strengths. Legit nervous we’re gonna blow it next year
I worry less about Dylan and Ace because they already play a lot of the type of iso ball offense that Pike seems to favor. As I mentioned in another thread, I am more worried about Gavin leaving because our lack of motion and off ball screening hurts his ability to reach his potential.
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Can we all stop with the chicken little crap. Pike is a great coach. Rutgers has elite talent coming in. Rutgers is not a blueblood, so there will be ups and downs. Try not to be such a Debbie downer.
We’ve been a disaster on offense. Sorry if I’m upset because we can’t figure out how to get a guy like GG open looks
Because we don't really have any distributing guards. We don't have guys who penetrate and kick, or any sort of inside/out game from our bigs after our guards get them the ball, or much of any perimeter ball movement at all.
Griffiths is trying to be that "catch and shoot" guy, but our ball movement isn't getting him many open looks with toes at the line. He's rushing either deep or well-covered shots, which aren't going in. He also looks tentative and unsure of where he needs to be, and how the offense/defense is supposed to work together.
Losing Mulcahy and Spencer put us in that position. Losing them when we did meant there wasn't anyone left in the portal to backfill them.
How educated are you about what’s happening with Paul ? Do you watch the games ? Obviously not. He was starting and playing in the non conference and he was setting up their center for lobs and their 3 point shooter Wood for shot after shot and seemed to feed Deon Brooks , their leading scorer really well.
The last 2 games , Paul started and was subbed out before the 16 minute timeout. They have a freshman or maybe redshirt freshman guard Johnsonthat will be there when Wheeler and Paul are gone after this year and Hopkins is getting him ready and game time experience. Paul hasn’t even taken a shot the last 2 games ( which was a huge issue when he was here, but not why he hasn’t shot it at all. He only played less than 4 minutes a half.
So before you go spewing stuff and citing stats without watching games and scolding people for not watching games , try not to throw stones from glass houses.
If you do not think Paul would help Cliff then just end the discussion because you are lost. By the way , Cam Spenser is starting for now ranked #1 UConn. You do not think he could have helped us ? Or helped Gavin ? Common now. Don’t lose all your credibility.
Let’s assume you’re correct, so what? Wouldn’t change our record. Fernandes and Mulcahy’s minutes this year are about the same. Assume Paul is here instead of Fernandes and we take a leap … a very big leap … and give Cliff his 13ppg from last year. That’s 3 more points a game vs today. Let’s subtract the 2 more PPG than Fernandes is scoring vs Paul. That’s a net of +1 PPG … big deal. Doesn’t move the meter production or record wise.
If that's how you account for things no wonder you don't make any sense.
You're forgetting the leadership, toughness, knowledge, rebounding and other things that Paul brings that Noah doesn't.
Not only does Paul engage Cliff in the offense but he probably helps GG get through his struggles because Paul went through them himself. There's no one on the roster that can really mentor GG like Paul could of.
Of course, you can't factor any of that into your simplistic +3, -1 nonsense.
You forgot the mindless dribbling, lack of scoring, inability to get to the foul line nearly as much as he should have, tailspin the second half of last season, meltdown at the end of the must win Minnesota game and bolting at the 11th hr so Pike had to scramble to plug a hole pin the roster. But I figured you’d gloss over that.
Leaders don’t purposely trip our opponents or purposely push another off balance player out of bounds
Losing Spencer/Mulcahy/McConnell in the same year was nearly all our guard experience walking out the door at the same time.
Career RU minutes at the end of last year for all guards:
3501 - McConnell
3326 - Mulcahy
1070 - Spencer
684 - Simpson
140 - Miller
92.2% of those minutes disappeared before the start of this season.
Keep in mind that, even with those three guys, we were still only an NIT first round loser to Hofstra. That further explains what we have this year.
Do some of you watch basketball? That was because they had no bench last year. Paul & Caleb were forced to play through injuries once Mag got hurt.
This years team has no true leaders because of when Paul & Cam left & Caleb graduated. We have pieces that don’t fit well together and they lack consistency.
Still making yourself look foolish, especially when Paul was hurt much of last season. You’re crapping on Paul & yet no guard on the roster can measure up to his total game. The guy provided more scoring opportunities playing injured than this group combined will have all year.
Prove me wrong.
It’s a lack of enough talent, a problem that was only exacerbated when some of our better talent from last year transferred (or, in Caleb’s case, left college).
It’s not like Cam didn’t have a very good offensive season at Rutgers last year. He averaged 13.8 ppg on very good shooting percentage. Okay so now he’s playing for a national champ contender (with better PG play to get him the ball) and he’s averaging 15.1 (also a year older with more experience). The fact pattern on Cam does not suggest anything negative about Pike coaching offense.
Agree, it doesn’t. But you had some here saying that he wasn’t great and that he would be a 4th or 5th option for a team like Uconn.
You keep crapping on the current crop of guards, ignoring facts and grabbing onto hypotheticals and intangibles regarding Paul that we’ve seen little to no evidence of. I’ve given a laundry list of facts and evidence that can be seen and measured.
Take off the “Paul colored glasses” and prove me wrong.
Paul is playing his 5th year of basketball and it is probably his worst ever. He peaked a couple of years ago and the team loathed him, yet RUfan4life thinks he was the only mentor capable of helping Gavin
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