Hawk - I hear you. Are there some people who are on the extremes as you point out in your note. Sure.
but for me, I dont think it's a huge leap to say we'd be in the hunt for a bid if Cam and Paul were still here. Which is my main point.
And I think it's not insane to suggest that Paul complemented Cliff's game (which seems to get worse by the minute/day/week)...
in other words, 80% of your post can be true AND it can also be true that we'd be better with Paul and Cam.
It's mid January 2024.....if we are fair and looking at how last year ended and how this year has started for RU AND around the B1G, how many more games would RU have won, if Paul and Cam were the guards??
I could say "Ohio State', but our guards played lights out at OSU....the reality is neither player so far or as a tandem, impacts the win/loss column.
Are we making up a 10 to 12 point difference between RU at Iowa or vs Mississippi State??? What about MSU this past Sunday....?? Last year we lost by 13 at MSU, this year it was 18....and MSU was better last year with Hauser and RU was better last year with Caleb.
But this was and never was a "ONE year decision"....which is why so many fans fail and continue to be narrow minded
So, I will repeat the same thing from months ago....how does having Paul and Cam, at 32 MPG, help RUs chances for success this year AND, how does that help RU in 2024-25??
The fact or reality is, we are already seeing fans starting to ask questions NOW, about next year.....or fans are starting to grasp and understand that NEXT year's roster, needs help too.
How does 32 to 34 minutes a game for Spencer and Mulcahy, benefit RU in 2024-25.....
Does that help solve the question of whether JaMicheal Davis is part of the solution next year off the bench, if he barely played this year?? How does he make mistakes or get better, by NOT playing in 2023-24??
While Simpson has been up and down this year, so has Mulcahy been for most of his career....one player is out of eligibility after this season and one player has 2 years left after this season.
If the difference is "marginal" on production between the 2 players this year, how does Simpson barely playing more than 10 minutes a game this year, help in 2024-25??
The reasons why people are now discussing "next year ", is because there's a bigger picture or outlook beyond just 2023-24.....and fans still can't answer how not playing Simpson or Davis or even Griffiths, would help solve these questions for next year.
At least, if and when Jeremiah Williams gets cleared by the NCAA and plays at some point this year, it becomes another piece of the puzzle, that becomes someone here NEXT year.
Would RU have beaten Princeton with Cam and Paul.....?? Maybe.....it's certainly possible or more likely.....
But outside of that game so far this year, which Princeton outplayed RU, it's not a given or a lock, RU beats Princeton with Cam and Paul.....it's just not realistic.
So there's more to RU basketball and the program besides this one season. And once fans accept this reality, we're better off.
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Someone explain to me, how RU would have to essentially land another 3 portal kids, if you ran it back and played Paul and Cam 32+ minutes a game. There would be no clarity on whether Simpson or Davis or Gavin are parts of the equation for next year or are not.
By having no availability or minutes for them this year with Cam and Paul in the way, someone tell me what next year's backcourt looks like??? Dylan Harper and who else exactly would have any experience??
Fans would not be penciling in Simpson for starting minutes or Davis for starting minutes next year or minutes off the bench, by not having them play much this year.