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Suck it up. Next year is the year Flood will be judged.

AreYouNUTS said:
Mildone - no doubt some here pretty much have more-or-less said as much due to his showing at the Elite 11.
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Well, anybody saying that just hasn't been paying attention. Anybody watching CFB (and paying attention) for even one season should realize that high-school performance is not necessarily indicative of college results.

Russo has great potential and for that reason he's a bright spot. But will it translate to the college level? Who knows. I also think Rettig shows great potential and won't be at all surprised if he's the starter next season even if Flood's still here. Depends on how hard he works over the summer, particularly on accuracy.
 
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RUskoolie said:
Flood was not a normal hire. He was a temporary fix. Or are we just going to forget that part? He inherited two of the best recruiting classes in school history and a team with seven NFL draft picks. The coach next year will be inheriting a termite infested house that is basically a knock-down rebuild.
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And Elmer proceeded to blow 2 chances get RU to a BCS Bowl game at the end of 2012 with those 7 NFL Draft Picks. If Flood comes back HPS Stadium will be at 50% capacity for all games except when State Penn and Michigan fans come in and buy the cheap tickets.
 
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Scarlet16E said:
Rutgers is not going to fire Flood this year for a multitude of reasons. Most relevant to the current mood of these message boards is that getting blown out by the B1G elite is much more about a very young, inexperienced Rutgers facing several teams in their prime (who happen to have much more talent as well).
Next year our team will have the benefit of having gone through this season. I think it will make a difference the better, but more importantly, it will be the time for Flood to show what he can do. A much more competitive team should be expected.

Don't bother bringing up the various scandals from the beginning of this season. If Flood were to be fired for that it would have happened then. Barchi said that he expects KF as head coach next season.

So suck it up and be patient. Two things can happen next year. Rutgers has a very good season and KF is vindicated, or we crap the bed and KF is let go. Then you can all have what you want. Just show at least a tiny amount of patience.
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If you look at the schedules for 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019, you can see that there is no way Rutgers will win more than 4 or 5 games each of those years if Flood stays. Given Flood's miserable record, that is guaranteed.
 
The premise of this thread is asinine.

Flood would need to win out to have more wins than arrests this year...there is not one FBS school where that would not get you fired
 
Scarlet Shack said:
Scarlet16E

I am going to only address your post....and the end of the post

1.) How on earth is Flood going to recruit the class of 2017 as a make or break year cloud over his head. If recruiting is tough enough already...this is 10000x worse next year. Seriosly, and I am not advocating it, if our administration thought he was the right man for the job,,,give him a real contract commitment and money to improve his staff.

2.) I am absolutely scared that we will waste a recruiting year next year, even if Flood is successful if around in 2016...which leads to the next pont

3.) If we wait another year...we potentially waste two recruiting classes...as the next guy will be in late and his real effect on recruiting wont be until his second year (class of 2018).....and that comes right as

4.) 2016 will be a very experienced team. Agreed. But look at how much we lose from 2016 to 2017. We graduate after 2016 6 offensive starters (Muller, Denman, Nelson, Arch, Patton and Grant) and 6 defensive starters (Hamilton, Lampert, Longa, Jacobs (I think he moves to will next year), Johnson, and Cioffi. 2017 will again be another transicition year like 2015 is...except who backfills the players that leave after 2016. Take a REAL hard objective look....and you will be scared on what's behind this. We really needed to be recruiting, recruiting, and recruiting some more now...and I don't see Flood doing that.

Instead, keep Flood and we could have a weak roster for several years to come

We need a new coach in here now to recruit recruit and recruit some more.....

if we wait, I really think the NEXT guy, after 2016, leaves us a hole for the next guys first 2-3 years of losing seasons...

This process needs to start over on December 1st...otherwise the we won't have 2-3 losing season...we will have 5 plus and the next guy may have a really big hole to get out of
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I don't think 2017 will be as bad as you think. We'll have a senior QB (which one, I don't know). Dorian Miller will be back and hopefully next years 2 deep on the OL will be much better - and guys like Cole and some of the other big boys brought in over the last 2 years are ready to go. We'll be loaded with sophomore/rs frosh WRs and assuming they haven't left for the NFL, Hicks and Martin will be around - and Snead will either be a soph or RS fresh. Nakia Griffin will be re starting TE and will be the athletic pass catcher we need. Grant will be hard to replace, but Juwan Harris may be a poor mans version of Grant, Jabbie also seems to show the same kind of speed. This is also the year Russo (or Dare) probably starts getting garbage time reps in preparation to get the reigns.

On defense, we'll have a lot of returning LBs (Deonte Roberts, Pollock, Battle, Reynolds, etc.) and a stacked junior secondary (assuming these kids can stay out of trouble - Hester, Adams, Austin, James, Wharton all back in 2017) - with Campbell and Rene as either RS fresh or Sophs - and potentially a Henry Miller and Butler. DL will be much the same... Unless Turay leaves early, he'll be there in 2017. Hamilton obviously is a huge loss after next year, as is JPO, but Marques Ford should be college sized by then. The DTs will also be RS juniors in 2017.

And we'll see what happens with JUCOs between now and then.

I just want to hit fast forward.
 
LOL if god forbid Fudd is back Russo will ride the pine until the weekly 4thQ blowout.

There will be more fumbled snaps that wins if Elmer returns.
 
RUDiddy777 said:
I don't think 2017 will be as bad as you think. We'll have a senior QB (which one, I don't know). Dorian Miller will be back and hopefully next years 2 deep on the OL will be much better - and guys like Cole and some of the other big boys brought in over the last 2 years are ready to go. We'll be loaded with sophomore/rs frosh WRs and assuming they haven't left for the NFL, Hicks and Martin will be around - and Snead will either be a soph or RS fresh. Nakia Griffin will be re starting TE and will be the athletic pass catcher we need. Grant will be hard to replace, but Juwan Harris may be a poor mans version of Grant, Jabbie also seems to show the same kind of speed. This is also the year Russo (or Dare) probably starts getting garbage time reps in preparation to get the reigns.

On defense, we'll have a lot of returning LBs (Deonte Roberts, Pollock, Battle, Reynolds, etc.) and a stacked junior secondary (assuming these kids can stay out of trouble - Hester, Adams, Austin, James, Wharton all back in 2017) - with Campbell and Rene as either RS fresh or Sophs - and potentially a Henry Miller and Butler. DL will be much the same... Unless Turay leaves early, he'll be there in 2017. Hamilton obviously is a huge loss after next year, as is JPO, but Marques Ford should be college sized by then. The DTs will also be RS juniors in 2017.

And we'll see what happens with JUCOs between now and then.

I just want to hit fast forward.
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His teams will get worse, not better.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
Agreed. Flood, at this rate recruiting and coaching-wise, will do something like this:

4-8
4-8
5-7
7-5 (with a load of seniors on both sides)

...MAYBE.
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I don't care if guys play for 6 years, he won't ever go 7-5 or better again.
 
RMSko said:
One of Flood's most significant mistakes is his "stubbornness" and IMO he hasn't learned anything. I mean how many coaches would allow a QB that is clearly struggling to continue struggling when there is another QB on the bench who, even by Flood's own account, was neck and neck in the competition heading into the season. Flood even admitted in his press conference that he kept Laviano in longer so that he could get some better game experience, which was a de facto admission that he wasn't trying to win the game. At this point, it's actually in Laviano's interest to take a seat, if for nothing else to watch the game from a more relaxed perspective. So sorry, Flood has not learned from his mistakes and even though I was a Flood supporter, my support is gone and Flood needs to be replaced as our coach.
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I was pretty confident in thinking this was an area where Flood had learned his lesson. I was pretty confident in thinking that if Laviano went through a bad stretch and it helped contribute to the losses like we've seen, we would see Rettig.

The fact that Laviano is getting the start after the performances we have seen from him over the last 3 games is hard accept. Especially when a guy like Rettig is there waiting.
 
Scarlet16E said:
Rutgers is not going to fire Flood this year for a multitude of reasons. Most relevant to the current mood of these message boards is that getting blown out by the B1G elite is much more about a very young, inexperienced Rutgers facing several teams in their prime (who happen to have much more talent as well).
Next year our team will have the benefit of having gone through this season. I think it will make a difference the better, but more importantly, it will be the time for Flood to show what he can do. A much more competitive team should be expected.

Don't bother bringing up the various scandals from the beginning of this season. If Flood were to be fired for that it would have happened then. Barchi said that he expects KF as head coach next season.

So suck it up and be patient. Two things can happen next year. Rutgers has a very good season and KF is vindicated, or we crap the bed and KF is let go. Then you can all have what you want. Just show at least a tiny amount of patience.
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You're trying to rationalize with children...it won't work. just look at the first couple of responses already.
 
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Unless someone has some inside information, this 2016 stuff is bullshit. He will be fired this year or he will complete his contract.
 
VirtualKnight said:
You're trying to rationalize with children...it won't work. just look at the first couple of responses already.
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He is trying to "rationalize" with people by claiming that accepting Flood staying as coach for another year requires at least a TINY amount of patience?

It has required a huge amount of patience to deal with Flood still being here now, after his actions made the school into a national laughingstock.
 
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Experts figured Rutgers would be 4-8 last year at best. We had an AAC roster moving into the Big 10 so when people say it was experienced, yes but the expectations were low. Did the team get blown out by the elite teams, yes. But 8-5 is a good season for most teams and it was for Rutgers.
Experts didn't expect much this year and after all that's happened, they were right. Team may win 4 games. This has become a rebuilding year. However, next year we lose 3 on defense and 2 on offense. And Flood should have his Big 10 roster and an easier schedule.
If he doesn't win 8 next year along with being competitive with the other teams, then I think it's time for a change. Just my opinion.
 
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would you rather see Barchi retire and a competent administration go through the hiring process for a new coach?

it may be worth the wait and give Flood another year than gamble/hire a coach for a million a year.
 
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It is the defense. It is horrible! An AAC Defense? No, a bad AAC defense. This is on Flood, plain and simple. Oh and BTW, as far as I know, he knew that there was a potential back in April/May that some of his defensive backs might not play due to the criminal activity. He did nothing to prepare for this.
 
vandalen1 said:
Experts figured Rutgers would be 4-8 last year at best. We had an AAC roster moving into the Big 10 so when people say it was experienced, yes but the expectations were low. Did the team get blown out by the elite teams, yes. But 8-5 is a good season for most teams and it was for Rutgers.
Experts didn't expect much this year and after all that's happened, they were right. Team may win 4 games. This has become a rebuilding year. However, next year we lose 3 on defense and 2 on offense. And Flood should have his Big 10 roster and an easier schedule.
If he doesn't win 8 next year along with being competitive with the other teams, then I think it's time for a change. Just my opinion.
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Will you Flood apologists ever give the "easier schedule" next year canard a rest?

Washington on the road is harder than Wash St at home
Iowa at Rutgers is easier than Wisconsin away
Minnesota on the road is at least as hard as 2015 Nebraska at home
Illinois at home is harder than Kansas at home
New Mexico(5-4 this year) might even be harder than Army (lost to Patriot League team Fordham)
 
RUBigFrank said:
would you rather see Barchi retire and a competent administration go through the hiring process for a new coach?

it may be worth the wait and give Flood another year than gamble/hire a coach for a million a year.
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Heavy water cooler talk inside the university is that the BOG will offer Barchi an extension and he is inclined to accept it.

Outside of the world of athletics, his tenure here is viewed as largely successful.

I would begin the grieving process of his return now.

The time to move on Flood is now.
 
ruhudsonfan said:
Heavy water cooler talk inside the university is that the BOG will offer Barchi an extension and he is inclined to accept it.

Outside of the world of athletics, his tenure here is viewed as largely successful.

I would begin the grieving process of his return now, if I were many here.

The time to move on Flood is now.
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That's the best news on this thread as far as I am concerned. The guy has been a very good President for RU.
 
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ru8081 said:
Please explain how with our #72 rating?
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First, only HS guidance counselors and people on this board care about USNWR rankings.

Second, the metrics by which the BOG judge the guy have exceeded expectations--by a lot.
 
RUBigFrank said:
would you rather see Barchi retire and a competent administration go through the hiring process for a new coach?

it may be worth the wait and give Flood another year than gamble/hire a coach for a million a year.
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I'd rather give Barchi a crack at hiring a new coach. Maybe he can do for the football program what he was able to do for the Med School merger, Livingston Campus, the Business School building, the Honors College, and fundraising.
 
Listen, we all know why Barchi will not fire Flood. There's no money, plain and simple. The reason there is no money is Rutgers fault. As for the football program I would suggest the following: Wait until Barchi is gone in 2018. While I'm not 100% certain Herman may be gone as well. Then you'll have a chance to hire a new President and AD which will most likely result in the hire of a new Head Coach. I know what everyone on this site wants and while I wish you get that coach I doubt it's going to happen. Remember that professors, BOT, taxpayers and politicians will fight equally as hard to derail any chance of us truly becoming a force in the B10. What they want is for you to capture lightening in a bottle once every ten years. As a fan I would then ask why did you join the B10 conference if mediocrity was the goal?
 
RUJohnny99 said:
I'd rather give Barchi a crack at hiring a new coach. Maybe he can do for the football program what he was able to do for the Med School merger, Livingston Campus, the Business School building, the Honors College, and fundraising.
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faculty contract negotiation, outside research grant money, private partnership with pharma and bio-tech companies, modernized monetization of life science research....
 
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ruhudsonfan said:
faculty contract negotiation, outside research grant money, private partnership with pharma and bio-tech companies, modernized monetization of life science research....
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B-school ranking, Law school merger, better quality applicant pool, better credentials of incoming freshmen...
 
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RU31trap said:
Listen, we all know why Barchi will not fire Flood. There's no money, plain and simple. The reason there is no money is Rutgers fault. As for the football program I would suggest the following: Wait until Barchi is gone in 2018. While I'm not 100% certain Herman may be gone as well. Then you'll have a chance to hire a new President and AD which will most likely result in the hire of a new Head Coach. I know what everyone on this site wants and while I wish you get that coach I doubt it's going to happen. Remember that professors, BOT, taxpayers and politicians will fight equally as hard to derail any chance of us truly becoming a force in the B10. What they want is for you to capture lightening in a bottle once every ten years. As a fan I would then ask why did you join the B10 conference if mediocrity was the goal?
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Yes. Everybody knows you have to burn the football program to the ground in order to fix it.
 
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RU31trap said:
Listen, we all know why Barchi will not fire Flood. There's no money, plain and simple. The reason there is no money is Rutgers fault. As for the football program I would suggest the following: Wait until Barchi is gone in 2018. While I'm not 100% certain Herman may be gone as well. Then you'll have a chance to hire a new President and AD which will most likely result in the hire of a new Head Coach. I know what everyone on this site wants and while I wish you get that coach I doubt it's going to happen. Remember that professors, BOT, taxpayers and politicians will fight equally as hard to derail any chance of us truly becoming a force in the B10. What they want is for you to capture lightening in a bottle once every ten years. As a fan I would then ask why did you join the B10 conference if mediocrity was the goal?
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2018? GTFO. Are you high?!?! If Flood is here until 2018, we won't be good until 2028 with the damage he'd do to our program.
 
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