Suck it up. Next year is the year Flood will be judged.

[ru8081]

It is not just USN&WR, there are other rating agencies, other than ones that judge research activity, that rate us not where we were in the 80s. In fairness most is not Barchi's fault. The fault lies in the state of NJ and the BOG etc. not raising hell in Trenton. It is a fact that our funding, from the state, has dropped over 30%. It does have an impact.

 

[miketd1]

We won't get past 6 wins until we recruit/develop/field a legit big 10 pass rush and a QB that makes teams pay for playing an 8 man box.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I'm not one of these guys who knows the back of ever university President's baseball card. But outside of athletics (and really limited to football only) his tenure has been exceptional. There is no way to objectively conclude otherwise.

Now, if your primary connection to RU is the football program, he stinks on toast. I get that.

 

[RU-05]

I'm not one of these guys who knows the back of ever university President's baseball card. But outside of athletics (and really limited to football only) his tenure has been exceptional. There is no way to objectively conclude otherwise.

Now, if your primary connection to RU is the football program, he stinks on toast. I get that.

Has the football program been that bad under Barchi?

I know this year has been a complete cluster, but I think people are overblowing how far the program has/is fallen(ing).

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Has the football program been that bad under Barchi?

I know this year has been a complete cluster, but I think people are overblowing how far the program has/is fallen(ing).

I'm not viewing the "program" only through the lens of on field results. If you view the program holistically, it is not in a good place right now and it is trending down--quite sharply, imo.

And we don't need to rehash everything. But the biggest "stain" on Barchi's record re: the program is Julie's failed move to fire Flood. I don't think you can let your newly minted AD hang out to dry like that, for obvious reasons.

 

[mildone]

Second, the metrics by which the BOG judge the guy have exceeded expectations--by a lot.

Kickback amounts and ease of manipulation?

 

[mildone]

faculty contract negotiation, outside research grant money, private partnership with pharma and bio-tech companies, modernized monetization of life science research....

Totally irrelevant. FB program is all that matters dammit.

 

[mildone]

B-school ranking, Law school merger, better quality applicant pool, better credentials of incoming freshmen...

Totally irrelevant. FB program is all that matters.



I'm having deja vu all over again.

 

[mildone]

Fundraising is going up every year.
Med school merger went better than expected.
$800 million of capital projects
Double digit gain in research grants
http://news.rutgers.edu/news-releas...-according-center-world/20140716#.VkSk3XarSUk
Business school improvements
Law school merger
improving applicants
Transformed Livingston campus
Hired most qualified AD and Men's BBall coach in history.

Totally irrelevant. FB program all that matters.

Heh heh; never get's old. :D

 

[RU-05]

I'm not viewing the "program" only through the lens of on field results. If you view the program holistically, it is not in a good place right now and it is trending down--quite sharply, imo.

And we don't need to rehash everything. But the biggest "stain" on Barchi's record re: the program is Julie's failed move to fire Flood. I don't think you can let your newly minted AD hang out to dry like that, for obvious reasons.

How sure are we that Julie was going to fire Flood? IMO, outside of early this season, there never was a time where it was clear Flood needed to go.

Edit: As per the program's place in historical comparison. It was looking pretty good entering this season. So while we've seen a major spike this season, I don't think down ward trend is a proper description. Continue to lose out, lose the recruiting class(for however good it is), slow start to next years class, then I think we see what looks more like a trend.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Totally irrelevant. FB program all that matters.

Heh heh; never get's old. :D

Keep this up and I'm gonna convince Mr. Screw to take you off his "kill on sight" list....

 

[ruhudsonfan]

How sure are we that Julie was going to fire Flood? IMO, outside of early this season, there never was a time where it was clear Flood needed to go.

huh?

Julie moved on Floor years ago and couldn't raise the money privately. The entire matter leaked and she was left to hang out to dry. Besides her politically motivated hiring process, it's the primary reason a huge percentage of the fanbase has no faith in her authority.

 

[krup]

We won't get past 6 wins until we recruit/develop/field a legit big 10 pass rush and a QB that makes teams pay for playing an 8 man box.

Since we are going to have to win first in order to raise our recruiting to a level where our DL can compete with the elite B1G OL's, and no QB can consistently succeed against the 2nd/3rd and longs our current game plan produces, how about we get a coach that runs the spread offense so we don't have to worry about teams putting 8 in the box?

 

[RU-05]

huh?

Julie moved on Floor years ago and couldn't raise the money privately. The entire matter leaked and she was left to hang out to dry. Besides her politically motivated hiring process, it's the primary reason a huge percentage of the fanbase has no faith in her authority.

Excuse my ignorance, but link? I kind of remember some stuff, but how substantiated was it? I often chalk these sort of grumblings to fan chatter. I didn't get anything via google search.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Excuse my ignorance, but link? I kind of remember some stuff, but how substantiated was it? I often chalk these sort of grumblings to fan chatter. I didn't get anything via google search.

It's common knowledge here. That is not a disputed fact.

 

[MoobyCow]

Excuse my ignorance, but link? I kind of remember some stuff, but how substantiated was it? I often chalk these sort of grumblings to fan chatter. I didn't get anything via google search.

It's substantiated in that there are multiple posters on this forum who confirmed that Julie reached out to them to solicit funds for a new coach.

 

[RU-05]

Since we are going to have to win first in order to raise our recruiting to a level where our DL can compete with the elite B1G OL's, and no QB can consistently succeed against the 2nd/3rd and longs our current game plan produces, how about we get a coach that runs the spread offense so we don't have to worry about teams putting 8 in the box?

This to me is a swing of extremes. You can spread the field without running a true spread offense. You can throw the ball deep from a pro set. I'd like to see that before we scrap the current style entirely.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

This to me is a swing of extremes. You can spread the field without running a true spread offense. You can throw the ball deep from a pro set. I'd like to see that before we scrap the current style entirely.

Kyle is that you?

Don't you have a gameplan to finalize?

 

[RU-05]

I find it surprising that this never leaked to the media.

 

[RU-05]

Kyle is that you?

Don't you have a gameplan to finalize?

If nothing else, can we agree if would be ridiculous to go spread offense at this point, and thus in the meantime we could try throwing the ball down field more/use more multiple WR sets while not abandoning the current style entirely?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

If nothing else, can we agree if would be ridiculous to go spread offense at this point, and thus in the meantime we could try throwing the ball down field more/use more multiple WR sets while not abandoning the current style entirely?

Define "at this point?"

Like today for this weekend? yes, ridiculous.

This off-season under a new head coach? Not ridiculous at all. That's the first thing on my Christmas list--well, after Kate Upton and a swimming pool on a private island in the south pacific.

 

[mildone]

Keep this up and I'm gonna convince Mr. Screw to take you off his "kill on sight" list....

LOL I'm telling you, he and I are going to wind up being great friends. I can sense these things.

In the meantime, I can just imagine him chasing me around the parking lot with a hatchet. You know, in between naps. I'm like that kid everyone knew in grade-school; the one that loved to poke hornets nests.

I've had dreams where I'm teasing and taunting an enraged Hulk while he's trying to catch me to pound me into pulp. Not joking, this actually happened. I was rolling back and forth in the dream, giggling, while the Hulk was trying to smash me with his 300 pound fists. I awoke from that dream by literally rolling out of bed and smashing into the floor while evading a near-miss from the Hulk's fists. Once I realized I didn't hurt myself, I laughed myself back to sleep.

My point is, it's hard for someone like Mr. Screw to stay angry at someone like me. Although he's doing a pretty good job of it so far. [laughing]

 

[miketd1]

I don't care what offense we run as long as we're utilizing our weapons.

For example, Grant does not need to catch passes to affect the defense. When in God's holy name are we going to see him in jet-motion? Reverse-motion?

Teams already don't honor us deep; might as well threaten the edge with him.

 

[RU-05]

Define "at this point?"

Like today for this weekend? yes, ridiculous.

This off-season under a new head coach? Not ridiculous at all. That's the first thing on my Christmas list--well, after Kate Upton and a swimming pool on a private island in the south pacific.

yeah at this point, as in this weekend. Ridiculous to go spread offense. Not ridiculous to run pro set and throw the ball down field.

It's not something I see as necessary, but if we hire a quality coach who wants to run spread I won't balk.

 

[RUJohnny99]

I find it surprising that this never leaked to the media.

During the USF game in 2013, Carlin & Lucas were talking about Flood in the past tense, and basically made the postgame show a farewell.

And it wasn't that Julie couldn't raise the funds. It's that Mullen beat a ranked Ole Miss in OT right before the USF game and saved his job.

 

[RU-05]

I don't care what offense we run as long as we're utilizing our weapons.

For example, Grant does not need to catch passes to affect the defense. When in God's holy name are we going to see him in jet-motion? Reverse-motion?

Teams already don't honor us deep; might as well threaten the edge with him.

This is where I'm at as well. A pro set team can throw 4 wide's on the field on occasion. A pro set offense can throw the ball down the field.

More specifically on Grant, sure hand it off on occasion , but why not try throwing him the ball when he is past the line of scrimmage?

I think our offensive game planning and play calling is pretty ridiculous right now, so I'm by no means in tight with Flood/McD and the current philosophy. But that does not mean we need to go spread in order to change that.

 

[miketd1]

If we are going to the spread, I advocate Gus Malzahn's version where it's a run-first, athletes-in-space type. You'll see a lot of QB runs, misdirection, unbalanced line, hurry-up, jet-sweeps, motion -- it looks really confusing to the defense, but it's fairly simple to operate. How simple? Cam Newton mastered it in one off-season. Cam freaking Newton...

 

[RU31trap]

I've been a fan since the mid-1980's and I've heard all this over and over again, We'll be better next year. The only change came when some Florida kids and a young man from New Rochelle, NY decided to come and play for Rutgers. For three short years they made their HC and Rutgers University relevant. On one hand you have posters champion Barchi by listing a list of accomplishments However when asked about bringing in a very good HC they say we're broke. To me something doesn't add up.

 

[RUJohnny99]

t. On one hand you have posters champion Barchi by listing a list of accomplishments However when asked about bringing in a very good HC they say we're broke. To me something doesn't add up.

Which posters that have championed Barchi have said we're broke? The Floodtards are the one that are attempting to save their boy's job by deflecting blame to everything else: the school is broke, the president needs to go, the AD sucks, the star ratings are meaningless, etc.

 

[RUBigFrank]

in my opinion - Barchi is the problem, he was brought in for the medical school - but clearly can't manage a large university with an athletic program:
*mishandle Mike Rice situation
*threw Pernetti under the bus
*created multiple PR mis-steps
*suspended Flood - but not fired

So you guys want Barchi as part of the decision making? I rather have Flood for another year.

 

[RU31trap]

Which posters that have championed Barchi have said we're broke? The Floodtards are the one that are attempting to save their boy's job by deflecting blame to everything else: the school is broke, the president needs to go, the AD sucks, the star ratings are meaningless, etc.

So why doesn't Barchi and the BOT fire Flood and bring in a battle tested coaching crew that will make us not only relevant but threaten for a B10 Championship in 5 short years? You're looking at 3 million per year for a HC and another 3 million for an OC/DC and an additional 2 million for assistants. That's about 8 million per year, not really that much in the grand scheme of things. Right?

 

[mildone]

Which posters that have championed Barchi have said we're broke? The Floodtards are the one that are attempting to save their boy's job by deflecting blame to everything else: the school is broke, the president needs to go, the AD sucks, the star ratings are meaningless, etc.

What Floodtards? You're talking about like 5 guys, maybe.

The problem is that the haters are so caught up in firing Flood, the simple and uninteresting piece of the whole puzzle, they can't see past it to the thing that actually matters. Which is who replaces Flood.

That's not about hoping that Flood stays at all. That's about focusing on what actually matters. And when focusing on what matters, discussions about how much we can fund, and how the RU admin is likely to treat the situation are pretty important.

 

[MoobyCow]

So why doesn't Barchi and the BOT fire Flood and bring in a battle tested coaching crew that will make us not only relevant but threaten for a B10 Championship in 5 short years? You're looking at 3 million per year for a HC and another 3 million for an OC/DC and an additional 2 million for assistants. That's about 8 million per year, not really that much in the grand scheme of things. Right?

1. No one said we're going to pay top dollar, but I think we'll pay a competitive P5 salary.
2. It's the middle of the season. I have no idea why everyone is getting all up in arms about not having fired the guy last week. Most schools don't fire in the middle of the year.

 

[RUGiddy777]

in my opinion - Barchi is the problem, he was brought in for the medical school - but clearly can't manage a large university with an athletic program:
*mishandle Mike Rice situation
*threw Pernetti under the bus
*created multiple PR mis-steps
*suspended Flood - but not fired

So you guys want Barchi as part of the decision making? I rather have Flood for another year.

I think if he returns, he'll probably accept that he has to actually pay attention to athletics. He's been on fire with academics (even if he's been quiet about it).

 

[ruhudsonfan]

What Floodtards? You're talking about like 5 guys, maybe.

The problem is that the haters are so caught up in firing Flood, the simple and uninteresting piece of the whole puzzle, they can't see past it to the thing that actually matters. Which is who replaces Flood.

That's not about hoping that Flood stays at all. That's about focusing on what actually matters. And when focusing on what matters, discussions about how much we can fund, and how the RU admin is likely to treat the situation are pretty important.

Name an industry or organization, from McDonalds to NASA, that hangs on to a dead wood employee because they don't have his/replacement lined up BEFORE they make that decision.

I'll wait...

 

[RUBigFrank]

Name an industry or organization, from McDonalds to NASA, that hangs on to a dead wood employee because they don't have his/replacement lined up BEFORE they make that decision.

I'll wait...

you must not really follow business much - simply look at any CEO with nonperformance - say Yahoo and Mellisa Meyers

 

[MoobyCow]

What Floodtards? You're talking about like 5 guys, maybe.

The problem is that the haters are so caught up in firing Flood, the simple and uninteresting piece of the whole puzzle, they can't see past it to the thing that actually matters. Which is who replaces Flood.

That's not about hoping that Flood stays at all. That's about focusing on what actually matters. And when focusing on what matters, discussions about how much we can fund, and how the RU admin is likely to treat the situation are pretty important.

Um, who exactly is looking past the hiring of the next coach? There's have been tons of threads discussing who would should get, how much we'll likely pay and what their qualifications are. There are a few people left who think we shouldn't fire Flood unless we can get a 'guaranteed' winner, whatever that means. The simple fact of the matter is RU could wait 20 years to fire Flood and not have enough money to hire anyone who would be guaranteed to win. There are like 3 of those guys, and they aren't coming here.

What we can do, and I think we will do, is go through a normal P5 hiring process and get a guy with a reasonable resume. A guy some other school might actually have hired, a guy whose resume you look at and don't think 'WTF, he isn't even an FCS level hire.' Lots of people will bitch about the new hire (maybe even me, if it's Golden), but it will be a change when change is needed.

Not firing Flood now because you're unsure of who you might hire is like staying with a girlfriend who makes you miserable because you're scared of being alone. Buck up little camper and get out there and try to make it better. There are no guarantees, certainly not at RU, but keeping a failing coach because you're scared of change is a simply awful idea.

 

[brgossRU90]

USC fired two coaches midseason in just the last few years. But what do they know about success???

 

[ruhudsonfan]

you must not really follow business much - simply look at any CEO with nonperformance - say Yahoo and Mellisa Meyers

Perhaps my post was confusing. I'll try again.

I don't think many organizations stop the conversation to fire an employee, because they haven't yet answered the question continually posed by Mildone--who will replace him?

I think in the event of an under performing CEO, the board makes the decision to fire and either simultaneously or subsequently engages a search firm for the replacement. My point presumes the replacement is not coming from within the organization.

Do you disagree with this?

And if Elmer has proven anything over the last 12 months, it is that he doesn't warrant the benefit of the doubt in the "can we do better" conversation.

 

[miketd1]

Can't compare Rutgers to USC. A prospective A-list coaching candidate wouldn't.