The Faculty has issued a "public rebuke" of Flood

[NotInRHouse]

Not true at all. I obviously have a standard for how much I can take of listening to you bitch and moan and make everybody as miserable as you. For the love of all that's good; give it a freaking rest already.

Oh well then guess what, you're in for a disappointment. Because most of us actually care and will continue to post until Flood is fired. If you want to just have no standard for success, go root for a bad HS team and save yourself the cash and time.

 

[Caliknight]

I'm not going to demonize the entire faculty. But the whack jobs in the faculty that are publicly airing the school's dirty laundry are doing way, way, way more harm to the school's reputation than Flood.

Do they have some legitimate gripes and concerns? Sure they do. But it's an internal family matter. It does no good for RU to make it national news.

This is the same faculty who backed one of their members saying the US is worse than Isis. But year, they aren't hurting the reputation of the school with their attempts to can free speech, being playing a major role in the schools ranking being the lowest ever, and their long time attacks on the athletic department.

They should just stfu. They are more embarrassing than anything I have ever seen from the football team.

Flood was punished, move on. If you have a problem with Flood, lash out at the administration. He isn't in charge of hiring and firing himself.

 

[Caliknight]

Oh well then guess what, you're in for a disappointment. Because most of us actually care and will continue to post until Flood is fired. If you want to just have no standard for success, go root for a bad HS team and save yourself the cash and time.

Posting on a message board means nothing towards any standard for success. You come off as a crybaby, nothing more.

 

[mildone]

Flood was punished, move on. If you have a problem with Flood, lash out at the administration. He isn't in charge of hiring and firing himself.

Yep.

 

[NotInRHouse]

This is the same faculty who backed one of their members saying the US is worse than Isis. But year, they aren't hurting the reputation of the school with their attempts to can free speech, being playing a major role in the schools ranking being the lowest ever, and their long time attacks on the athletic department.

They should just stfu. They are more embarrassing than anything I have ever seen from the football team.

Flood was punished, move on. If you have a problem with Flood, lash out at the administration. He isn't in charge of hiring and firing himself.

Posting a lie more than once, when people can scroll up and see the lie...damn, did you go to Kyle Flood School Of Internet Use?

 

[Caliknight]

Posting a lie more than once, when people can scroll up and see the lie...damn, did you go to Kyle Flood School Of Internet Use?

You are right. A faculty has no bearing on a schools ranking.

At some point, I don't think you even take yourself serious.

 

[mildone]

Oh well then guess what, you're in for a disappointment. Because most of us actually care and will continue to post until Flood is fired. If you want to just have no standard for success, go root for a bad HS team and save yourself the cash and time.

Oh I see. In order to demonstrate that we care, we all have to bitch and moan endlessly on a message board like a bunch of spoiled children. Of course. What was I thinking? My bad.

I know this is an alien concept to you. But it's actually possible to care quite a lot and not set out to make everybody around you miserable. You should try it some time.

 

[Caliknight]

Rutgers drops to 72 in the last USNWR ranking, which is the most widely accepted and used. The school has never been this low.


http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+7


Well done faculty! More focus on a football coach will surely help!

 

[NotInRHouse]

LOL yeah, the ranking where Clemson ranks Harvard 0 in reputation is the most widely accepted and used.

I have to say, your ability to develop false narratives, on what I assumed was limited to your typical right wing tin foil narratives, actually extends to all facets of your life in a way that the biggest "Joe did all he had to" type would be envious of.

In the world research rankings WHICH RELY ON FACULTY NOT WHAT CLEMSON SAYS, we jumped.

Try again. I would recommend more usage of words like "union" or "liberal agenda" to try to conflate the issues. Also you haven't blamed Barchi or Hermann's sexuality in some time, and I'm getting concerned. We all know if we had a male AD, Flood would not have gotten in trouble and he would have been patted on the back and praised for his assistance to an upstanding citizen like Barnwell....lol

 

[Caliknight]

Harvard is ranked 2 on the list. Clemson in the 70's I think, right near Rutgers. Yay!

Yea, you are right. No one who matters uses USNWR rankings.

They use some obscure ranking from someone in China that no one really uses.

You are like Baghdad Bob. We are better because we are worse. Makes perfect sense.

Have any more obscure links that we can laugh at as proof?

Rutgers Faculty, you are the Terry Shea of our academic history.

 

[RUsSKii]

Ah, ahhh, aaaaahhHH BULLSHIT! Pardon me. Must be hay fever season.

So anyway, you're so right - RU's reputation is totally ruined. We should probably burn the entire school to the ground. Flood ruined Rutgers forever by overstepping his bounds in his effort to help out a player on the team.

While we're at it, let's rip up the NJ Turnpike. I was out there the other day and I saw an estimated 95% pure disdain for speed limit compliance. Oh wait, you're going to tell me that Flood trying to help out a player is worse than people creating a potentially deadly situation on the highway. My bad.

Wait, we're not done yet. We have to burn down every building in every state with a sales tax. Because at least one person in each such state has failed to report and pay sales tax on items purchased over the internet. Such disdain for compliance.

Now that I think about it, disdain for compliance with the 10 commandments is at an all-time high. The planet's reputation is beyond repair. Guess we have to burn the whole damn thing.

I know you're likely being facetious here, but this is not true at all. Going 85-90 mph on the NJ Turnpike (way over the posted speed limit) can actually be perfectly safe and is what the road is engineered for under normal conditions. What can be dangerous is idiots obliviously hogging the left lane traveling at or less than the speed limit, which creates a dangerous speed differential.

I liken it to Floods initial email asking about extra work for grade improvement being no big deal, but personally meeting the professor, driving to Princeton, and disguising himself without Rutgers apparel being the real offense :)

 

[NotInRHouse]

LOL the ranking I posted was on this site for weeks. Everyone uses it. USNWR is very discredited.

Dude it is getting really sad for you. Even the usuals from the CE board have turned on Flood. They told you you're wrong on Carroo also. Why are you holding out? Do you have money on this? Do you really think Flood will be cleared or win more games? Do you really think one day this will change and you can waive it in everyone's face? You really think 95% if not more is wrong?

Really it is just incredibly embarrassing that we have fans with all writing on the wall, writing- no actual writing saying I'm breaking rules- we have people blaming faculty.

Shades of TTFP. I hope you guys can have a nice Flood statue. The inscription? "Man of integrity."

 

[Caliknight]

No no.. Those dirty numbers and facts are in the way again!

http://news.rutgers.edu/news-releas...-universities-according-center-world/20140716

Rutgers University-New Brunswick has been ranked 33rd among the world’s top 1,000 universities this year by the Center for World University Rankings – marking a dramatic rise in the ranking of the university’s flagship campus.

Whoops!

Yes who needs to be 33rd in the world when Flood is writing emails saying I'm breaking rules for a drunk driver who breaks jaws when we haven't had player get ineligible in a decade!

This dummy just proved our point even further. He cites a ranking of 33rd...from 2014. Moving ahead the current year of 2015, Rutgers drops to 50. Even in this obscure ranking no one uses this current faculty is dropping the ball.

Get it together Rutgers faculty. You are f'ing up my diploma.

 

[mildone]

I know you're likely being facetious here, but this is not true at all. Going 85-90 mph on the NJ Turnpike (way over the posted speed limit) can actually be perfectly safe and is what the road is engineered for under normal conditions. What can be dangerous is idiots obliviously hogging the left lane traveling at or less than the speed limit, which creates a dangerous speed differential.

I liken it to Floods initial email asking about extra work for grade improvement being no big deal, but personally meeting the professor, driving to Princeton, and disguising himself without Rutgers apparel being the real offense :)

Trust me, I wasn't trying to make a point about speeding on the highway. Me doing that would cause the hypocrisy scale to tip over and crush the universe out of existence.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Couple of points here. Could be different now, but when I was on the faculty (left in 2005) the Faculty Council and the Union were made up of pretty much the same group of people. Most faculty don't want to be bothered with either group. They typically more strongly identify with their professional organisations than with intra-university issues (they see themselves as "biologists" more than "RU faculty"). This usually leaves people who aren't all that professionally active in charge of the Union and the Council, and frequently these are people who are politically active and like to feel like they're oppressed in some fashion.

Your typical faculty member couldn't find the Hale Center on a bet, and doesn't really care one way or the other. A decent minority really likes sports and supports the teams. (The number of faculty who played the game in the day can be counted on one hand.) Another minority hates sports and would eliminate everything except co-ed frisbee with falling leaves for the annual promotional flyer--and they would mandate soft plastic on the frisbee.

What the garden variety faculty member sees here is that they haven't gotten much in the way of raises lately, Flood makes a million a year and his assistants make way more than they do, and the whole operation sucks money away from the University. Add this to the fact that those athletes probably made fun of most of them when they were in high school, and it's a pretty toxic mix. (BTW, factor in cost of living and RU salaries are run of the mill.)

The University's ranking is pretty decent in some of the systems (less so in others), and they are all pretty iffy in terms of reliability after the top 25 or so. The faculty is strong in a lot of areas, and pretty strong across the board.

In terms of supporting faculty who say things that most of us would think are dumb, they do that because in part, that's what universities are for: to be critic and conscience of society. So we tolerate folks who push the envelope.

My faculty friends at the University who are supportive of sports are basically shaking their heads at Flood. He's provided fodder for those who want to attack sports in general. Unless we stage a real second half of the season comeback, or decide the piggy bank is still not full enough, I think he's probably gone. No inside info there, just tea leaf reading of an old jock and former RU prof. Go the All Blacks!

 

[retired711]

This dummy just proved our point even further. He cites a ranking of 33rd...from 2014. Moving ahead the current year of 2015, Rutgers drops to 50. Even in this obscure ranking no one uses this current faculty is dropping the ball.

Get it together Rutgers faculty. You are f'ing up my diploma.

So how big a check have you written to the academic side of Rutgers? A big part of the problem is m-o-n-e-y.

 

[MidwestKnights]

This is typical Union Political BS.
There is nothing to see here.

The faculty council is not the same thing as the union. It's sole purpose is to advise the New Brunswick Chancellor (who also happens to be the EVP for Academic Affairs university-wide) on academic issues related to education and research on the New Brunswick campuses.

 

[Upstream]

Rutgers drops to 72 in the last USNWR ranking, which is the most widely accepted and used. The school has never been this low.


http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+7


Well done faculty! More focus on a football coach will surely help!

Cali -- USNews rankings are primarily a ranking of the undergraduate student body. If Rutgers were more selective in admissions, rankings would improve.

The World University Rankings
are driven by faculty research, so they are a better gauge of the quality of the faculty than the USNews rankings.

 

[retired711]

The faculty council is not the same thing as the union. It's sole purpose is to advise the New Brunswick Chancellor (who also happens to be the EVP for Academic Affairs university-wide) on academic issues related to education and research on the New Brunswick campuses.

You're right technically, but in practice the same people dominate the Faculty Council as the union -- just as Skillethead said, for that matter, the faculty portion of the Academic Senate. Your implication that the faculty council should stay out of issues like this is well-taken, but this is not the first time the Council has done this kind of thing.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

This Faculty Council head is really milking his moment in the spotlight.. to the detriment of Rutgers University.

He blatantly and falsely states that Rutgers Athletics is too powerful and is harming the academic mission of Rutgers. Nothing could be further from the truth.

These scandals clearly show the Athletic Department has ZERO power to make their problems just go away.. ZERO power to hide these events.. and has even suspended football's star player indefinitely despite the fact that he is awaiting due process.

Furthermore, the academic rankings of Rutgers has IMPROVED, along with every objective measurement of same, since joining the Big Ten.

The Faculty Council should be made a laughing stock and its head booted for blatant conflict of interest. He is self-serving, for attention, rather than actually work in the best interests of the faculty.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

whatever this faculty council thinks....

3 games is clearly not a "slap on the wrist" as far as this season goes.....

 

[Caliknight]

So how big a check have you written to the academic side of Rutgers? A big part of the problem is m-o-n-e-y.

None. When I see the faculty stop doing utter embarrassingly things like the Condi Rice situation, saying America is worse than Isis, and calling out athletics, maybe I will. Someone needs to reign them in. They are out of control and it is far more embarrassing than anything athletics related.

In short, it would be an unwise investment at this point, all things considered. How about you?

 

[retired711]

None. When I see the faculty stop doing utter embarrassingly things like the Condi Rice situation, saying America is worse than Isis, and calling out athletics, maybe I will. Someone needs to reign them in. They are out of control and it is far more embarrassing than anything athletics related.

In short, it would be an unwise investment at this point, all things considered. How about you?

I give every year to a scholarship fund. That money, you must admit, does not go to support any of the things you dislike. It goes rather to attract better students to the university. And bringing in better students helps to improve Rutgers. I urge you to consider doing so. If you like. I can investigate to see if there are specific scholarship funds you can give to so that your money does not go to activities you don't like.

 

[Caliknight]

I give every year to a scholarship fund. That money, you must admit, does not go to support any of the things you dislike. It goes rather to attract better students to the university. And bringing in better students helps to improve Rutgers. I urge you to consider doing so. If you like. I can investigate to see if there are specific scholarship funds you can give to so that your money does not go to activities you don't like.

I have given to a scholarship fund at the school- in the athletic department.

 

[retired711]

I have given to a scholarship fund at the school- in the athletic department.

That's good of you, but a scholarship fund outside athletics would boost academics. Just give it some thought.