The Rettig myth
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The Rettig "myth" is rooted in the star rating and offer list he had coming out of high school.
He then committed to LSU, which everyone loved - SEC school, NC winning coach, surely he must be a world beater.
He then transferred somewhere he thought he could see immediate playing time, and we were a perfect fit. Nova would be graduating, and he'd be in an open competition for the role.
Everyone got their hopes up - he was a savior figure, the QB to take us to the promised land. Kinda like Savon Huggins was a few years earlier with a high star ranking, tons of offers, and an expectation to be the second coming of Ray Rice... who would also lead us to the promised land. De'Antwann Williams had a similar cachet and expectations a couple of years before that, too.
In reality, not all heralded players work out. Some people have an easier time accepting that than others.
He then committed to LSU, which everyone loved - SEC school, NC winning coach, surely he must be a world beater.
He then transferred somewhere he thought he could see immediate playing time, and we were a perfect fit. Nova would be graduating, and he'd be in an open competition for the role.
Everyone got their hopes up - he was a savior figure, the QB to take us to the promised land. Kinda like Savon Huggins was a few years earlier with a high star ranking, tons of offers, and an expectation to be the second coming of Ray Rice... who would also lead us to the promised land. De'Antwann Williams had a similar cachet and expectations a couple of years before that, too.
In reality, not all heralded players work out. Some people have an easier time accepting that than others.
He has a strong arm and if given protection and not asked to move around a whole lot, could deliver the ball well. And it's unclear, to me at least, that whatever it is that keeps him on the bench is readily visible to pro-scouts. So I won't be surprised to see him land an NFL roster spot. OTOH, I also wouldn't be surprised to see him cut after a couple seasons without seeing the field.
In any event, he seems like he's been a good teammate and stuck by his team through it all. So I really hope he DOES make it to an NFL team and then succeeds.
Rettig offers this team the best chance to make 1st downs, score on deep balls, convert third and longs and back the defense off the line of scrimmage.
Once this staff realizes the other metrics and considerations that go into who they are playing, pale in comparison to what I wrote above, we will see Rettig and the offense will be improved.
Right now, they seem intent on playing one QB after the next who doesn't have true arm talent. I suspect it has to do with the "playing fast" mantra that they came out of camp with and are now slowly abandoning as they realize the benefits of working the clock.
I think we'll see him this season. What choice do they have?
None. But they keep making other choices. Stupid.
Once this staff realizes the other metrics and considerations that go into who they are playing, pale in comparison to what I wrote above, we will see Rettig and the offense will be improved.
Right now, they seem intent on playing one QB after the next who doesn't have true arm talent. I suspect it has to do with the "playing fast" mantra that they came out of camp with and are now slowly abandoning as they realize the benefits of working the clock.
I think we'll see him this season. What choice do they have?
None. But they keep making other choices. Stupid.
Upon what evidence do you base your opinion that Rettig offers the team the best chance to make first downs? I mean, in which game against good competition has Rettig demonstrated that?
True arm talent. Laviano, in the past two games against vastly better defenses than Rettig has ever played, threw two beautiful long balls pretty much on ropes. One hit the WR in the hand and was dropped. The other would've hit the WR in the hands in stride and probably gone for TD, if caught, but the WR was interfered with (really bad no call by the officials).
Well, you're entitled to your opinion about Rettig vs. the rest of the QBs even though you have no evidence to support that opinion and plenty of evidence to the contrary. Logic is not on your side. But who knows, maybe our coaches are actually stupid and whatever success they've had in their careers prior to being here was just pure dumb luck. o_O
I think everyone understands your point. The difference is that Huggins and "Rocket" got meaningful playing time during games, with the first teamers.
How much time did Rettig get with the first team...one half versus Howard? How many snaps did he take with an NFL WR (Carroo) lined up with him? Rutgers is not bowling this year with Grant out of the season. What could possibly go wrong with Rettig playing half a game with the starters?
Not sure why you think this.
Against FBS competition, Rettig is 5-14 (35.7%) for 123 yards, and that was playing against our opponents' 2nd and 3rd team defenses. He also has 5 rushes for a total of -18 yards.
Also, what deep balls are we going to be throwing when the OLine can't protect and the WRs don't get separation?
Everyone got hot and bothered by the great stats Rocket put up against FCS teams or late in games against 2nd and 3rd team FBS defenses. Rettig has done half of that.... he's looked good against FCS, but not against FBS backups.
Carroo is gone, and so is Grant... so, he's basically got the same WRs he would have been throwing to against backup defenses last year, but he'd be throwing against starting defenses this year. Just don't see the draw.
Here is the solution, Play all 5 QB's. First one to make two consecutive first downs (absent those gained on defensive penalties) is the starter. I have not seen our offense so bad since the Shea years. Points it appears may be too much to hope for so right now I will root for whoever plays just to get a few first downs.
Please read this story. A strong arm is not everything.
Offers from Yale and Dartmouth were nice, but Shirreffs decided to pursue big-time football at North Carolina State, an ACC school. But even a kid with Ivy Leagueintelligence was surprised by what big-time college football required.
"I underestimated the depth of knowledge I needed in all aspects," Shirreffs said. "In high school, you could get by, and not even know the play. Just finding somebody open. Improvisation was big in high school. Not in college."
Watch the kid throw the short and long passes and tell me you don't think there's a chance he's better than what we've been watching for the last season and a half.
Great article. I'd like your post a hundred times if I could.
Should be required reading with a test afterwards before forum members are allowed to post anything involving the QB position.
Those are season highlights in high school against who knows what level of competition. Go watch them for all our other QBs and you'll see lots of great play from all of them.
Read the article posted up above.
Anyone watch the warmups before 2nd half?
Most QBs are throwing 10-15 yards, and Rettig is throwing lasers between 30-40 yards.
I'm thinking of those quick screens, the sooner the ball gets there, the sooner the RB or WR are moving upfield. Waiting for the ball allows the defense to zero in, and makes the receiver wait (usually flatfooted) before he can make any evasive moves.
Now, does he have troubles with the playbook, maybe, I truly don't know. But when we talk about arm strength it doesn't ALWAYS mean deep passes downfield. A screen that connects quickly moves you to a 2nd and 3 or 4 scenario, not 2nd and 10.
Most of us are reacting out of frustration, I know I am. I will trust that the coaches have their reasons, and more information than I do. I just can't wrap my head around trying EVERYONE but one guy. They've all played except Rettig. If we were moving the ball, AT ALL, fine, but we ain't, so if it was me, I'd try everything.
Most QBs are throwing 10-15 yards, and Rettig is throwing lasers between 30-40 yards.
I'm thinking of those quick screens, the sooner the ball gets there, the sooner the RB or WR are moving upfield. Waiting for the ball allows the defense to zero in, and makes the receiver wait (usually flatfooted) before he can make any evasive moves.
Now, does he have troubles with the playbook, maybe, I truly don't know. But when we talk about arm strength it doesn't ALWAYS mean deep passes downfield. A screen that connects quickly moves you to a 2nd and 3 or 4 scenario, not 2nd and 10.
Most of us are reacting out of frustration, I know I am. I will trust that the coaches have their reasons, and more information than I do. I just can't wrap my head around trying EVERYONE but one guy. They've all played except Rettig. If we were moving the ball, AT ALL, fine, but we ain't, so if it was me, I'd try everything.
I have watched them for all our QB's and we have exactly one with real throwing ability. The article is great and all but it's presented to a fan base that's coming off a starting QB with a stat line of 4-20 for 39 yards in his last two games. 11-27 against New Mexico.
We've seen Rettig in college. He really wasn't too bad:
"Most of us are reacting out of frustration, I know I am. I will trust that the coaches have their reasons, and more information than I do. I just can't wrap my head around trying EVERYONE but one guy. They've all played except Rettig. If we were moving the ball, AT ALL, fine, but we ain't, so if it was me, I'd try everything."
I agree with what Miker said above. Maybe HR will not see the field because he has already informed the staff he is leaving after the season and they have written him off.
I agree with what Miker said above. Maybe HR will not see the field because he has already informed the staff he is leaving after the season and they have written him off.
Wait... you're bringing a high school highlight film into the discussion about a collegiate redshirt junior? Really?
Any coaching staff that would put Zach Allen out there is worthy of any and all criticism of not playing other QB options on the roster.
And then you're bringing a 2:33 video with 2:05 against a completely overmatched Norfolk State team (who finished the year 4-7)? Then two passes in the final 30 seconds of the OSU game.... and then, amazingly, footage from the Spring Game?
Oy.
Why do we need Rettig to play? After all we have Laviano, who is the apple of Ash's eyes, taking RU to the promised land again this week. Seriously, Ash lost me when he chose Laviano as the starter prior to the start of the season. And he's stuck with him for 7 games now. Ash = Flood. A big disappointment thus far.
What are you bringing? 5-12 as a starter with wins vs. 2x Howard, Army and New Mexico and the gift from Indiana? 4-20 for 39 yards in his 16th and 17th game as a starter?
oy is right.
I'm bringing all that Rettig has been given a chance to do and it looks a hell of a lot better than what we've been watching.
I'm literally speechless trying to decide which of the very many totally wrong things to address first. So instead of writing anything, let me just say this:
very good read. Don't think anyone will disagree with this. What everyone disagrees with is playing a kid who can't make any of the throws regardless how well he can read the defense.
To say he can't make ANY of the throws is exaggeration. Yes, he has missed far too many throws into the flat, or thrown a few behind receivers across the middle. And a couple of his early season long balls sailed a bit. But these things happen with almost every QB in almost every CFB game I watch.
More recently, Laviano's long passes have been pretty dead on accurate, delivered with zip, and should have been receptions for good yardage. But a drop and uncalled pass-interference prevented what would've been great completions. He's doing better at leading receivers on crossing patterns too, but there have been several drops.
Laviano is not any kind of great QB. Nobody would argue that he is. But his biggest issue this season is inconsistency with his throws, particularly throws to the flat. If he fixes that and he's given some time and some open WRs, he's going to make plays. He'll miss some too, but he'll make plenty.
I'm not bringing anything. My point is that there is an inflated sense of value right now around Rettig in some posters' minds - the same as there was around Rocket, etc.
An argument is being made that Rettig is somehow better than not just Laviano, but all the QBs that have been seeing minutes ahead of him. That he deserves more minutes in both practice and in games than Laviano, Oden, Allen, and Rescigno.
The burden to prove that argument isn't on me - it's on the people saying Rettig somehow deserves to see the field ahead of four other guys.
And the "proof" that's been brought to the table is high school videos, FCS performance, two garbage time throws against OSU, and the spring game? It essentially boils down to "he can't be any worse" and "anything's worth a shot".
Yes you are, you damn dirty bringer, you! You're bringing the irrefutable logic. How dare you! [laughing]
5-12 with 4 of those losses at the hands of Top 5 teams, 5 Top 10, and 6 Top 15. Funny but typical how you only tell 1/2 the story
The proof has been presented many times but you just choose to ignore it. We presented game stats and QB rating but those aren't facts for you guys.
Read the article again but read between the lines. Being a good QB requires a lot of study and effort. If one player is not putting in the time or effort to learn he shouldn't play.
Also, the studying and learning of the playbook also effects all other plays including the running plays. A QB needs to be able to change a play at the line by understanding the defenses.
Here's my guess: Rettig is not putting in the time and effort in to learn the system, it's the only reason I can see why a kid with his physical abilities is burried so deep in the chart and passed up by 3 staffs. And if he's not putting in the time and effort, he shouldn't be put into a game, as you then risk the culture of the team by rewarding a kid who is not putting forth maximum effort.
In most situations, the idea of playing, let alone starting the 5th string QB is hilarious.
In our situation, it might actually have merit.
I'd still like to see Gio, and I'll assume we will see more of Oden the rest of the way, but I don't see Rettig being a bad idea right now.
I also won't criticize coaching staff if we don't.
In our situation, it might actually have merit.
I'd still like to see Gio, and I'll assume we will see more of Oden the rest of the way, but I don't see Rettig being a bad idea right now.
I also won't criticize coaching staff if we don't.
Can you show us clips of the 18 interceptions he threw his senior year in high school? We can then diagnose whether they were all bad throws, bad decisions, or combination of both?
Yeah, but those are the only chances that he's gotten with his one bad performance against Wisconsin. BTW, how did the current QBs' do in garbage time against OSU this year? No "coaching staff knows better" apologist has answered this question. I wonder why.
You're showing us how Laviano is doing. You haven't shown us any facts that support the idea that someone else can do any better.
He may have not, but many facts were presented in this forum. However, you chose to ignore them.
