The Rettig myth
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In the only game both Laviano and Rettig played close to the same amount of time, Rettig had a QBR of 195.8. Pretty good huh? Laviano only had a paltry rating of 637.3. That's not a miss print. 637.3.
So much for QBR's.
Jonathan Lewis will ride in on the stallion and take us to the promised land.
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Nice, you left out the part where Laviano had Carroo! How convenient!
Was waiting for this ^^^^.
I guess that's like leaving out playing against 2nd and 3rd string defenses huh? Works both ways.
It also goes to show the lack of playmakers at WR without Carroo, only made worse by the loss of Grant vs Iowa.
If you knew, why did you leave it out? Again, how did the players ahead of Rettig do against the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the last 2 games? Like you said, it works both ways.
There ARE no facts that show any QB on our roster as outperforming Laviano on game day or in practice, or in the meeting rooms, etc.
What has been posted is grabbing-at-straws material. Like holding up Gio's great run against a totally exhausted Howard team as evidence Gio should start. Same with Oden who has yet to compete a pass in a game.
Allen struggled as much as Laviano and was playing 2s and 3s (and probably 4s) most of the time.
Where are these facts of which you speak?
Instead of placing all this faith in incoming QBs as saviors, we have to start thinking about the program more holistically. We can't be relying on any one, or two, or three incoming players. Lewis, being familiar with the spread, is probably going to be great for our program.
But any football coach will tell us that without a good OL and DL, there's little hope for success. We could bring in the best QB in the NFL and unless we improve the team around him, he's gonna be ineffective.
We need the whole recruiting class to be pretty good and, ideally, we need some time to coach them up before they have to play.
I left it out to suck you in to be honest.
Among other things, in mop up duty, Rettig completed 38.5% of his passes in a different offense which you completely leave out too. Laviano's % in that offense was 60.9 for the year. As a matter of fact even as bad as he's been his % is still 9% higher than than Rettig's 2 mop up games.
If the last string player had an LSU/Auburn/UCLA offer and a brother that played four years at a P5 school, who graduated and signed with the practice squad of two NFL teams then I would say... YES.
Yes you should give that last string player a chance in a meaningful game situation in a rebuilding year. Rutgers is not fighting for a playoff spot this season. Give Rettig a chance. Then Dare. Then Gio. It's possible they might lead the team to multiple.... FIRST DOWNs.
If they suck, then we go back to Laviano and nobody will mention Rettig / Dare / Gio anymore. Win win all around.
Please say you're not serious. Nothing you mentioned is a legitimate reason. NOTHING.
Just goes to show how far up their butts people will reach to pull something out.
As bad as things seem it's still pretty funny to see some reactions after a horrible thrashing like we saw Saturday. Must be a personality flaw but I find the back and forth kind of medicinal.
I have a nephew-in-law that went to medical school and is now a doctor. Therefore, I just know for sure that I can do brain surgery.
I love stat games. I'm assuming you left out the games they both played but because Rettig didn't have enough attempts. But you conveniently used the game stats when CL only threw 4 times to skew the numbers to present your case here. For the season CL QB effic rating was 131.77 vs Rettig effic rating of 160.69. Should we do situational stats next.
What proof?
Rettig's overall collegiate record:
Against FCS defense: 9-11 (81.8%), 110 yards, 1 TD, 2 rush, 17 yards
Against FBS 3rd string defenses: 5-14 (35.7%), 123 yards, 1 TD, 5 rush, -18 yards
Those are his numbers.
Beyond that, we're left with HS stats (meaningless 4 years out of HS), spring game stats (even more meaningless), and a mix of positive practice reports and wishful thinking.
This is almost the same debate that people had over Rocket...
Against FCS defenses: 50 rush, 334 yards (6.7 ypc), 1 TD
Against FBS 3rd string defenses: 33 rush, 73 yards (2.2 ypc)
Thank you for the proof. He actually managed to get us on the board against 3rd string defences. Unlike CL and Allen.
In his defense, Brent and Wayne Gretzky are the highest scoring pair of brothers in NHL history. Wayne couldn't have pulled that off on his own.
I didn't leave anything out. In 2015 I gave Laviano's full season. I gave his 2016 total completion %.
Rettig's QBR is almost 50% based on 1 game against a FCS school. Laviano's is based on not only that game but also against 11 BCS schools including 2 Top 10 teams and 1 Top 15. Those are facts that you can't overcome no matter how you twist it.
My sister and brother in law are lawyers. I'm thinking I'd like to argue a case before the Supreme Court. After reading that post I now have the confidence to do it. Wish me luck.
Wow, that's what you took from that? Let's go with the sub-40% against 3rd string defenses guy, because Carlton Agudosi managed to get behind the defense for once in his career?
Just to show comparison - and this is in no way an endorsement of CL, because I don't think we have any QBs on the roster right now that are at P5 starter level...
CL stats:
Against FCS defenses: 16/29 (55.2%), 281 yards, 6 TD, 1 INT
Against FBS defenses: 245/439 (55.8%), 2759 yards, 15 TD, 14 INT
If Rettig had 3 stars coming out of HS, and had transferred in from Temple instead of LSU, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What he's put on the field doesn't warrant it... it's all based on perceived potential.
Well if you think that way Mr. Laviano, then so be it. I have nothing personal against your son/nephew/cousin. I simply want another player to get a chance. My preference is Rettig but truth be told, I'd be happy with Dare, Gio or Oden (if physically ready) too.
Who needs luck when we have relatives in the business? Knock 'em dead, counselor. :)
Oh, now you've hurt my feelings. Don't know if I'll ever recover from a 6th grade level insult such as this.
overcome what? You are the one that said CL's QBR is 637. Here are the facts. CL's QBR is 50.5 last year and 23.9 this year. No need to twist anything.
What I said was that was for the FCS game.......
"In the only game both Laviano and Rettig played close to the same amount of time, Rettig had a QBR of 195.8. Pretty good huh? Laviano only had a paltry rating of 637.3. That's not a miss print. 637.3."
Carry on.
your post shows that you don't understand this discussion. Yes, sub 40% against 3rd string is not good but it's better than CL. if CL had more than 5 completions, we wouldn't be having this conversation. No one is saying Rettig will win us more games. The argument is that he can produce more than CL. I sat through a lot of bad Rutgers games but this is a new low.
so, you did leave a lot out right? I called you out for using terrible stats to make an argument. Btw, Grant's QBR is 606 this year. That's not a miss print. 606.
Oh great. When the facts don't support your argument, you resort to sixth grade silliness. But as long as you're going to open to the door to such childishness, I'm just the poster-child for arrested development to walk through it.
Just because Laviano slept with your girlfriend doesn't mean you have to harbor so much hatred for him that you can't face the realities of our QB situation. You should be mad at her, not him.
I completely understand. Many here think Rettig's going to come in and magically move the offense. There is nothing to back that thought up. Just give him a chance is not the answer unless it's a made for TV movie, a very special episode on Lifetime, or the kind of sports books you read as a child. It's not real life.
He is not a fit for the offense or else he would have played already. The staff is not going to change the O at midseason. It's Laviano, Allen, Gio, then Oden. Live with it.
I thought it might be a Reader's Digest: Drama In Real Life. Although I could be dating myself some with that thought. LOL
I used to read those at the pediatrician's office when I was like seven years old or something like that.
I wish it was fiction too. I don't think the movies or books can make up a score like 78-0.
With grant out, we basically need to abandon the pass. Time for the staff to get creative. Have Oden and or Gio throw 10-15 passes a game. 5-7 deep shots. Get Sneed on the field and have him come thru on the jet sweeps 12-15 times(getting the ball 5-7 times). Give Harris the chance to get behind the defense.
Or get Martin, hicks and Oden on the field. I know hicks got moved to safety.
What we witnessed last week was the definition of insanity. Only 5 other fbs teams have had such a terrible offensive day since 2000(based on 1st downs). Think about that.
Or get Martin, hicks and Oden on the field. I know hicks got moved to safety.
What we witnessed last week was the definition of insanity. Only 5 other fbs teams have had such a terrible offensive day since 2000(based on 1st downs). Think about that.
Hopefully we get back on the right track this week. With whoever plays.
What have you seen from Oden or Gio that leads you to believe they are the best people to make 10-15 passes per game w/5-7 deep shots? Oden is 0 for 4, I think. Gio is 0 for 0.
Let's hope our OL can up it's game this week against the weaker opponent (although the DE's are supposed to be NFL caliber). Because if that doesn't happen, any creative plans for opening up the passing and running games pretty much go out the window.
No, it shows you're cherry picking.
Let's look at Rettig's shining moment on the final drive of the game against Ohio State last year vs. Laviano's play against their starters.
Laviano: 10/20 (50.0%), 117 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
Rettig: 3/7 (42.8%), 73 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT
Agudosi got behind a walk-on CB in the final minute, and got brought down by the 2nd string safety at the 2 yard line. Patton then beat the 3rd string CB for the TD.... the 3rd string CB, who did not play for the rest of the season after he started experiencing leg pain during the RU game. Rettig delivered the ball... but looking at those two plays as some sort of indicator that he's ready to start is grasping at straws.
We don't have a QB on the roster right now who is capable of starting against a Top 5 program. Thinking that the guy who's currently sitting at #5 on the depth chart, who is seeing very few reps in practice at this point, is going to suddenly come in against Michigan and right the ship is fantasy land.
That points out the silliness of all this.
I find it a never ending source of amusement that we've come full circle. This time last year Rettig was the answer. Oden commits and he's the answer. Then Allen transfers and he becomes the answer. Now we're back to Rettig. The sad truth none of them is an answer for 2016. Oden could very well be by next September or maybe Lewis comes in and blows everyone away. It's just going to be very rough getting thru this.
The final thing I'll add then I'm off to work. Anyone who thinks all the issues start and begin at QB is off his rocker. There are more than enough other problems that need to be addressed too.
Hang in there. It's always darkest before the dawn or some other BS like that.
FYI, Laviano's QBR for that game was 100.0 (which is the max) and Rettig's was 98.6.
