This detestable loss is on Jordan!

[RU MAN]

Your team is up 16. They're young. Why the hell don't you tell them to run their offense and take time off the clock? You don't. Instead you have Daniels, Sanders and others take shots with over 20 seconds left on the clock. WTF???? Then, when St. Johns is struggling offensively especially from outside, you stop the 2-3 zone and go back to man-to-man. Why? It's working. They're shooting 27% from the field. Why bother changing?

A couple of observations having watched the entire game:

Corey needs more touches and needs to shoot more. Cory also needs to spend more time after practice, practicing his damn free throws. Inexcusable to suck so bad from the FT line.

Freeman needs more touches. He's a beast and can score anywhere. He became absent in the 2nd half when we needed him most. He should have been more than the difference.

Lewis has regressed. He may have lost a lot of weight, but why he thinks he can score from 12 and 15 feet away, is beyond me. He was awful from that range. Again, this kid is ball challenged. DO NOT PASS THIS KID THE BALL UNDERNEATH. He has BRICKS for hands.

Daniels was terrific tonight, until it mattered at the end when he failed to finish, but also rushed his shots allowing St. Johns to get back in the game when he missed.

Foreman and Diallo need a lot of work. Especially Diallo. He was a ghost out there except for his fouling.

Laurent is young and not ready for prime time. Goode? He was non-existent out there tonight.

Williams? He finally hit the 3's he was recruited for, but missed some wide open shots late in the second half when it mattered.

Watching this game from start to finish, we were BETTER than St. Johns. To be up 16 points nearly midway through the 2nd half and then lose this game is unconscionable. Yes, the officials SUCKED. Yes, they missed two obvious calls at the end of the game, against Bishop and Corey. Still, it never should have come to that. Jordan mismanaged the endgame. Mullen didn't beat us with his coaching. Jordan lost the game with his lousy coaching from the 10 minute mark in the 2nd half.

 

[BillyC80]

Jordan gets no credit for having his team up by 14 on the road deep into the game?

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Disagree

 

[RocktheRac]

Jordan gets no credit for having his team up by 14 on the road deep into the game?

He gets credit for coaching well in the first half. He also gets credit for poor coaching in the second half.

 

[RU MAN]

Jordan gets no credit for having his team up by 14 on the road deep into the game?

No. Did we win the game? Case closed.

 

[RU MAN]

Disagree

What do you disagree about? Tell me? Jordan bit the dust tonight. He failed. Miserably as our coach. He controls the game with his substitutions and the plays. He failed. He not only allowed St. Johns back into the game, he allowed them to beat us when we should have won the game going away.

 

[bac2therac]

Jordan gets no credit for having his team up by 14 on the road deep into the game?

not really when you lose the game after having such a lead

 

[BillyC80]

Lol, "after having such a lead," like he had nothing to do with it.

Reminds me of the Steve Martin routine about how to pay no taxes on a million dollars:
Step one: get a million dollars

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

when guys attack and make shots.....it's great
When Guys attack and miss.....it's poor coaching and they are out of control.

When guys make open shots....... it's great
When guys miss open shots.....it's poor coaching.

Guys missing foul shots...it's poor coaching.

Sanders shoots 5-6 on foul shots in the 2nd game....hey, he's not a bad foul shooter
Sanders shoots 1-6.....why doesn't Jordan make him practice more or why doesn't he practice more.

By the way.....Rutgers built the lead playing man to man and some pressure...not zone, but hey, Let's not let those pesky FACTS get in the way of a good tirade against the coach.

Laurent played 5 minutes, had 2 points and 2 rebounds....where was he so terrible and "not ready for prime time"??

Goode only played 10 minutes.....I guess it was 10 horrible minutes.

Williams was 5-10 and 3-7 on 3 point shots....that's horrible...lol

Stop calling out individual players and ATTACKING every Player that had a bad game....OR, at least get your FACTS straight....

 

[jakeknight]

Funny I guess I missed Jordan at the free throw line, how many did he make/miss? I saw the rest of the team put on one of the most horrendous display of FT shooting I have ever seen in a college BB game (5 for 14). They missed every one and one in the last 7 minutes of the game. if you want to blame Jordan and the staff for the FT performance then you are right it's all on him (them).

 

[jakeknight]

Funny I guess I missed Jordan at the free throw line, how many did he make/miss? I saw the rest of the team put on one of the most horrendous display of FT shooting I have ever seen in a college BB game (5 for 14). They missed every one and one in the last 7 minutes of the game. if you want to blame Jordan and the staff for the FT performance then you are right it's all on him (them).

 

[RU_kidding_me]

Before anyone and everyone is thrown under the bus, keep in mind that two teams both picked to finish last in their conferences played an ugly, ugly game with horrible shooting, the home team won by 2 points, and both teams more than likely will finish in last place in their respective conferences.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Ru man

Pay attention to what happened

Eddie adjusted a lot in this game

We opened up a lead, but as we did, two things happened...

Foreman got hurt and missed a bunch of time as freeman got into foul trouble (how is either his fault) and we had to
Go three guards longer than we wanted ...we became a lot more one and done off the dribble.

They were calling offensive fouls very quick on both sides on screens so Eddie adjusted and went more motion in offense away from
Ball screens

Eddie mixed up the defenses pretty well and overall. Three guards hurt match ups.

I think the one thing he did wrong is he should have let the offense move through sanders and less of Daniels on the second half as he cooled off. Think he did it to try to build his confidence up

The last play off of no timeout was well conceived but run a but slow by inexperience players

He can't make foul shots.

I'll knock Eddie or any ru coach...but problem tonight wasn't cosching. It was execution by guys who haven't pkayed close games yet

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

My opinion of Jordan increased a bit listening to him in the 2 timeouts Fox Sport showed.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

My opinion of Jordan increased a bit listening to him in the 2 timeouts Fox Sport showed.

FIG....it would be really cool to know what Jordan was getting on Sanders about before he sat him for that long stretch in the 2nd half.

Scratch that, I thought you were at the game sitting close...........based on your post, it looks like you watched on TV.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I wa

FIG....it would be really cool to know what Jordan was getting on Sanders about before he sat him for that long stretch in the 2nd half.

Scratch that, I thought you were at the game sitting close...........based on your post, it looks like you watched on TV.

I watched 1st half on TV, took son to practice, got home at 1020 and watched 2nd half on DVR.

 

[RU MAN]

You have to leave this board and never come back....too rational and too many facts.

RU MAN is a anti-Jordite.

Anit-Jordan? [laughing] And you're ASSuming you know what I think about Jordan? I happen to like Jordan, but tonight he effed up big time. And you think you know all about BB? LAUGHABLE. No, genius, man-to-man did NOT get us that big lead. In fact Jordan early on mixed up the defenses quite well. But when we went to a three guard look is when he shut it down and we got creamed both inside and outside.

And I will call out individual players because this is a board to discuss games. But since you think you know everything and especially me, I should listen to you? Again LAUGHABLE. The fact that you don't even know the quality of my posts over the last 15 years here, while you shoot off your fat trap having been here four lousy years, shows me you miss a lot of what people in the know have to say.

When Jordan coaches well I applaud him. When the players play well, I applaud them. But when they squander a 16 point lead and then lose to a deficient St. John's squad (not like we are much better) then you're damn right I'm going to be pissed.

No Jordan doesn't miss or make the kid's free throws. But they also don't call the offensive plays, the defensive plays and don't squander timeouts.

Oh, and one other thing: not only did I play the game competitively I also coached competitively. I know juuuuuuuuuuuuust a weeeeeeeeee bit about BB son. And tonight, Jordan screwed up big time and deserves all of the criticism, because yes we are young in two positions. But that doesn't mean the head coach doesn't control the game and especially the end game.

 

[RU MAN]

Ru man

Pay attention to what happened

Eddie adjusted a lot in this game

We opened up a lead, but as we did, two things happened...

Foreman got hurt and missed a bunch of time as freeman got into foul trouble (how is either his fault) and we had to
Go three guards longer than we wanted ...we became a lot more one and done off the dribble.

They were calling offensive fouls very quick on both sides on screens so Eddie adjusted and went more motion in offense away from
Ball screens

Eddie mixed up the defenses pretty well and overall. Three guards hurt match ups.

I think the one thing he did wrong is he should have let the offense move through sanders and less of Daniels on the second half as he cooled off. Think he did it to try to build his confidence up

The last play off of no timeout was well conceived but run a but slow by inexperience players

He can't make foul shots.

I'll knock Eddie or any ru coach...but problem tonight wasn't cosching. It was execution by guys who haven't pkayed close games yet

Shack, I understand what you're saying, but I saw the entire game and it wasn't just execution. Yes, our players didn't deliver down the stretch. Yes, our team shot horrendously from the Foul line. And yes, when Foreman got hurt and Freeman got into foul trouble that hurt what we were doing. Before Freeman went out for a length of time in the 2nd half, I loved the way Jordan mixed it up on defense. Still, it's up to the coach when going to a 3 guard offense to instruct his players what they need to do both offensively and defensively. It's up to the coach to SLOW DOWN the offense and run plays and not shoot the ball with 25 seconds left on the shot clock. After Freeman went out I saw too much playground BB and not enough passing and running plays.

As for defense, we still could have played zone with three guards out there. In fact, what got St. Johns back into the game more quickly was that we went back to man coverage and didn't have the horses to keep them off the boards and Russini and the other kid started hitting from outside. But that is still no excuse for playing poor defense.

And by no means am I letting the kids off the hook. But that loss and the way we lost having led 99% of the game was despicable.

Maybe, I'm just sick and tired of Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers always on the short end of the stick. Rutgers always managing to shoot itself in the foot. For once, I like us to be on the winning side especially when we play a local team like St. Johns.

 

[Hondo77]

Your team is up 16. They're young. Why the hell don't you tell them to run their offense and take time off the clock? You don't. Instead you have Daniels, Sanders and others take shots with over 20 seconds left on the clock. WTF???? Then, when St. Johns is struggling offensively especially from outside, you stop the 2-3 zone and go back to man-to-man. Why? It's working. They're shooting 27% from the field. Why bother changing?

A couple of observations having watched the entire game:

Corey needs more touches and needs to shoot more. Cory also needs to spend more time after practice, practicing his damn free throws. Inexcusable to suck so bad from the FT line.

Freeman needs more touches. He's a beast and can score anywhere. He became absent in the 2nd half when we needed him most. He should have been more than the difference.

Lewis has regressed. He may have lost a lot of weight, but why he thinks he can score from 12 and 15 feet away, is beyond me. He was awful from that range. Again, this kid is ball challenged. DO NOT PASS THIS KID THE BALL UNDERNEATH. He has BRICKS for hands.

Daniels was terrific tonight, until it mattered at the end when he failed to finish, but also rushed his shots allowing St. Johns to get back in the game when he missed.

Foreman and Diallo need a lot of work. Especially Diallo. He was a ghost out there except for his fouling.

Laurent is young and not ready for prime time. Goode? He was non-existent out there tonight.

Williams? He finally hit the 3's he was recruited for, but missed some wide open shots late in the second half when it mattered.

Watching this game from start to finish, we were BETTER than St. Johns. To be up 16 points nearly midway through the 2nd half and then lose this game is unconscionable. Yes, the officials SUCKED. Yes, they missed two obvious calls at the end of the game, against Bishop and Corey. Still, it never should have come to that. Jordan mismanaged the endgame. Mullen didn't beat us with his coaching. Jordan lost the game with his lousy coaching from the 10 minute mark in the 2nd half.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Ru man

Let's think for a minute.

Rutgers is going to be an up tempo team. That is what we want to be. That's how we are gojng to play.

With an inexperienced three guard set...(three guards having a total of 2 years of division one ball)....one of the worse things you can do is, in November, try to change the way you play. When you have kids who have played together for a while and get it, you can coach some of that and slow it more

Getting this team to function as a basketball unit on the court with the youth is the first order of business...you play the same way until you can proficiently play your way...and we certainly not that

We had 45 pts and was shooting 48% from the floor at the 15 min mark playing up tempo. You needed to keep playing that way.

And with a 30 second shot clock...there isn't much slowing it down any more.

Objectively...we lost this one solely on execution and not on coaching

I have shook my head at some X's as Os from Eddie but not this year

He is coaching out there in the 3 games I see

 

[RU62]

A simple question...the last shot apparentlybwas let go a tad too late. I am just curious if the officials went to the scorer's table to view or confirm any replay. Or maybe it's as simple as there was not a replay tv at the scorer's table.

 

[shields]

Liked the way Williams played yesterday.

 

[Upstream]

A simple question...the last shot apparentlybwas let go a tad too late. I am just curious if the officials went to the scorer's table to view or confirm any replay. Or maybe it's as simple as there was not a replay tv at the scorer's table.

Don't know if the officials watched a replay, but I rewatched it on my DVR and the shot was late.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If we took the air out of the basketball up 16 like people are saying I would have killed Eddie Jordan.

There is a 30 second shot clock and a ton of time left in the game.

If you are going to blame Eddie it is allowing Bishop to take over the offense.

 

[Local Shill]

when guys attack and make shots.....it's great
When Guys attack and miss.....it's poor coaching and they are out of control.

When guys make open shots....... it's great
When guys miss open shots.....it's poor coaching.

Guys missing foul shots...it's poor coaching.

Sanders shoots 5-6 on foul shots in the 2nd game....hey, he's not a bad foul shooter
Sanders shoots 1-6.....why doesn't Jordan make him practice more or why doesn't he practice more.

By the way.....Rutgers built the lead playing man to man and some pressure...not zone, but hey, Let's not let those pesky FACTS get in the way of a good tirade against the coach.

Laurent played 5 minutes, had 2 points and 2 rebounds....where was he so terrible and "not ready for prime time"??

Goode only played 10 minutes.....I guess it was 10 horrible minutes.

Williams was 5-10 and 3-7 on 3 point shots....that's horrible...lol

Stop calling out individual players and ATTACKING every Player that had a bad game....OR, at least get your FACTS straight....

As usual the sunshine pumpers are twisting the words of those who dare criticize or have any expectations.

Driving to the hole is fine but not chucking up a contested shot against a defender eight inches taller. A senior guard should know better than to take some of the shots he did last night.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

The coach, team and officials all choked.

 

[BoroKnight]

Jordan gets no credit for having his team up by 14 on the road deep into the game?

No. You don't keep track of what your record is "deep into the game." You track final scores.

 

[BillyC80]

Boro, fine. Then we should criticize him for the loss and not for the fact that we once had a big lead.

 

[RU MAN]

Ru man

Let's think for a minute.

Rutgers is going to be an up tempo team. That is what we want to be. That's how we are gojng to play.

With an inexperienced three guard set...(three guards having a total of 2 years of division one ball)....one of the worse things you can do is, in November, try to change the way you play. When you have kids who have played together for a while and get it, you can coach some of that and slow it more

Getting this team to function as a basketball unit on the court with the youth is the first order of business...you play the same way until you can proficiently play your way...and we certainly not that

We had 45 pts and was shooting 48% from the floor at the 15 min mark playing up tempo. You needed to keep playing that way.

And with a 30 second shot clock...there isn't much slowing it down any more.

Objectively...we lost this one solely on execution and not on coaching

I have shook my head at some X's as Os from Eddie but not this year

He is coaching out there in the 3 games I see

Shack, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. My overall complaint with the way the game was handled late in the second half and BECAUSE we're "inexperienced with the three guard set" it's even more important for EJ to coach the kids to NOT take shots with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. For the kids to pass the ball at least three times. We gave away this game precisely because we gave St. Johns too much time to come back. We were not executing our offense the way we did earlier.

I know he wants to play an uptempo game. And I happen to like an uptempo game. But when you let the other team back into it because of missed shots and terrible FT shooting, it's important for the coach to tell the kids to SLOW DOWN and run the offense. During St. Johns run, we were making terrible decisions. We not only shot too soon, but we were taking terrible shots. As others have pointed out in this thread, some of the shot selection in the last 10 minutes of the game was atrocious.

Finally, I happen to like EJ. I think for now he's the right choice. But as a Rutgers fan/alum I've seen this ugly scenario play out far too many times and so have you. For just once, I'd like to see us finish off a team when we have them down, no matter what sport Rutgers plays. As you know wins this year will come at a premium especially in conference. We don't need to choke away an early win that would have helped this young team with their confidence. I hope EJ and the kids learn important lessons from this game and use it to win a game we're not supposed to win.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

As usual the sunshine pumpers are twisting the words of those who dare criticize or have any expectations.

Driving to the hole is fine but not chucking up a contested shot against a defender eight inches taller. A senior guard should know better than to take some of the shots he did last night.

Daniels was 10-17 , 21 points. Many of his shots were on drives to the basket. How many times did he "chuck" up these contested shots over the 6' 11" guy that was guarding him?

Is it your understanding that basketball teams go through entire games taking all uncontested shots? I would love to see that team. Sometimes the defender is right there.......lol

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Anit-Jordan? [laughing] And you're ASSuming you know what I think about Jordan? I happen to like Jordan, but tonight he effed up big time. And you think you know all about BB? LAUGHABLE. No, genius, man-to-man did NOT get us that big lead. In fact Jordan early on mixed up the defenses quite well. But when we went to a three guard look is when he shut it down and we got creamed both inside and outside.

And I will call out individual players because this is a board to discuss games. But since you think you know everything and especially me, I should listen to you? Again LAUGHABLE. The fact that you don't even know the quality of my posts over the last 15 years here, while you shoot off your fat trap having been here four lousy years, shows me you miss a lot of what people in the know have to say.

When Jordan coaches well I applaud him. When the players play well, I applaud them. But when they squander a 16 point lead and then lose to a deficient St. John's squad (not like we are much better) then you're damn right I'm going to be pissed.

No Jordan doesn't miss or make the kid's free throws. But they also don't call the offensive plays, the defensive plays and don't squander timeouts.

Oh, and one other thing: not only did I play the game competitively I also coached competitively. I know juuuuuuuuuuuuust a weeeeeeeeee bit about BB son. And tonight, Jordan screwed up big time and deserves all of the criticism, because yes we are young in two positions. But that doesn't mean the head coach doesn't control the game and especially the end game.

Maybe I have you confused with another posted that uses "RU Man " in their name, at least one is a confirmed Jordan hater because he wants hurley.

You played and coached competitively and you make comments like that.......SMH, it may be time to retire the keyboard......lol.

I think the Mods would disagree with your "I can call out individual players" all I want comment. They have been very clear that it will not be tolerated. This is not the football board.

 

[Local Shill]

Daniels was 10-17 , 21 points. Many of his shots were on drives to the basket. How many times did he "chuck" up these contested shots over the 6' 11" guy that was guarding him?

Is it your understanding that basketball teams go through entire games taking all uncontested shots? I would love to see that team. Sometimes the defender is right there.......lol

Shots were forced with a lot of time still
On the shot clock. The offensive execution was horrendous on most trips in the last 8 minutes. Deal with it.

 

[RUJMM78]

The bottom line is that Rutgers only scored 59 points which won't win many basketball games even against a woeful St.Johns team that was equally inept at the foul line.

 

[derleider]

The bottom line is that Rutgers only scored 59 points which won't win many basketball games even against a woeful St.Johns team that was equally inept at the foul line.

This just in. From our news desk. We have just found out that Rutgers BB, the team picked to be the worst P5 conference team, isnt all that good. Now back to your regular programming.

 

[rutger80]

One thing we can all agree on is that there were a ton of empty, wasted possessions in the second half. In addition, and I think this is where Eddie's callout of heart comes in, was the horrible performance on the boards. Johnnies had way too many second chance baskets in the second half. Gotta shore that up before league play starts.

 

[RU4UK]

Sigh.

 

[e5fdny]

I think the Mods would disagree with your "I can call out individual players" all I want comment. They have been very clear that it will not be tolerated. This is not the football board.

Never understood that.

Maybe early in the season mistakes or trying to get the game plan right I can see why you might want to lay off on some criticism for certain players.

But it's not like they just started playing the game. And if you want the all the good with what comes with playing at this level (in any sport) I think it's fair to hear what others noticed when somebody did wrong.

And this is from a non-booer.

 

[Jim_from_RU]

Anit-Jordan? [laughing] And you're ASSuming you know what I think about Jordan? I happen to like Jordan, but tonight he effed up big time. And you think you know all about BB? LAUGHABLE. No, genius, man-to-man did NOT get us that big lead. In fact Jordan early on mixed up the defenses quite well. But when we went to a three guard look is when he shut it down and we got creamed both inside and outside.

And I will call out individual players because this is a board to discuss games. But since you think you know everything and especially me, I should listen to you? Again LAUGHABLE. The fact that you don't even know the quality of my posts over the last 15 years here, while you shoot off your fat trap having been here four lousy years, shows me you miss a lot of what people in the know have to say.

When Jordan coaches well I applaud him. When the players play well, I applaud them. But when they squander a 16 point lead and then lose to a deficient St. John's squad (not like we are much better) then you're damn right I'm going to be pissed.

No Jordan doesn't miss or make the kid's free throws. But they also don't call the offensive plays, the defensive plays and don't squander timeouts.

Oh, and one other thing: not only did I play the game competitively I also coached competitively. I know juuuuuuuuuuuuust a weeeeeeeeee bit about BB son. And tonight, Jordan screwed up big time and deserves all of the criticism, because yes we are young in two positions. But that doesn't mean the head coach doesn't control the game and especially the end game.

Relax?

 

[RU MAN]

Maybe I have you confused with another posted that uses "RU Man " in their name, at least one is a confirmed Jordan hater because he wants hurley.

You played and coached competitively and you make comments like that.......SMH, it may be time to retire the keyboard......lol.

I think the Mods would disagree with your "I can call out individual players" all I want comment. They have been very clear that it will not be tolerated. This is not the football board.

Yes, Choppin I did play and coach and what I said I stand by. What makes you think you know more than me?

As to confused with someone else? I think you are. I am usually very composed when I post. For whatever reason, I watched that game from start to finish out here in California and that loss just pissed me off. I'm fine now and usually after a bad loss I give myself 24 hours before going on line. Last night, that loss just rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Yes, Choppin I did play and coach and what I said I stand by. What makes you think you know more than me?

As to confused with someone else? I think you are. I am usually very composed when I post. For whatever reason, I watched that game from start to finish out here in California and that loss just pissed me off. I'm fine now and usually after a bad loss I give myself 24 hours before going on line. Last night, that loss just rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't claim to know more than anyone. But, there were some comments in your post that were off base, particularly Laurent, who only played 5 minutes and had 2 points and 2 rebounds; Williams who shot 5-10 and 3-7 from 3 point range....those are good percentages. Actually, Williams should have shot the ball more. Let's move on