When Saturn goes into Capricorn in 2018-20,you'll see a big improvement in this team.Hard working Capricorns always succeed when this happens.
This is a FIVE year PROJECT PEOPLE
- Thread starter rutgersal
- Start date
It will not be five years. It CAN'T be five years. He won't get five years of bad teams. Besides, this 2017 class, along with the few pluses we got in the 2016 class (which looks a hell of alot better now that we added Mitchell and Washington), will be good enough to push us to be at least halfway decent in 2018.
I think this is a good assessment. It'll be interesting to see how much this class gets on the field so we can start seeing Ash's guys and what the future will look like.
With what was left by the last staff, 5 years to rebuild and another 3-5 to compete. It's the nature of power 5 football. Just bc u get better doesn't mean the competition stands still. It's an arm race and it's very difficult to play from behind. No free agency unfortunately in CFB.
Wow, this is brutal. So 5 years to be competent enough so we don't get blown out by every B1G team, then another 3-5 to actually beat some of them?
To compete with OSU and win? Yea, maybe. That would be serious work by Ash and Co. if that were to happen.
The hurry up and change crowd is getting what they deserve. I am sure the staff appreciates the expectation that it will take years to become competitive. Nobody wants to remember we took Michigan State into the 4th quarter just last year. But hey, the team is well fed and hydrated and there are no gray hairs anywhere.
I'm just basing MY opinion on what I've seen with B12 teams and realignment. RU had a perfect storm of realignment, poor recruiting and an abysmal prior staff. Had you guys made the leap to B1G say in '06 or '07, the adjustment would have been 3-5 years to compete. Nothing harder then re building and competing. It just doesn't happen. Be patient with Ash, he seems like a good guy and a good coach.
So let's take a look at Schiano's first 5 seasons (and, yes my definition of "signature" is very subjective, for losses its blowouts and FCS losses):
2001 - 2-9 Signature wins: none Signature losses Miami 61-0, Va Tech 50-0, WV- 80-7, Pitt 42-0
2002 - 1-11 Signature wins: Army 44-0 Signature losses: Villanova, Buffalo, WV and Notre Dame
2003 - 5-7 Signature wins: Cuse 24-7 Signature losses: none
2004 - 5-7 Signature wins: Mich State Signature losses: New Hampshire
2005 - 7-5 Signature wins: Pitt, Cuse, Cincy, Navy (bowl eligible), Signature losses: Louisville
When you think of the road ahead for the program, Ash and getting to a bowl, keep these years in mind. Maybe in the B1G Ash may not have five years, it may be four at most. Sure the Big East is apples and the B1G and B1G East are oranges, but for the first two, we are going to be woodshedded often. So have patience and know hope.
2001 - 2-9 Signature wins: none Signature losses Miami 61-0, Va Tech 50-0, WV- 80-7, Pitt 42-0
2002 - 1-11 Signature wins: Army 44-0 Signature losses: Villanova, Buffalo, WV and Notre Dame
2003 - 5-7 Signature wins: Cuse 24-7 Signature losses: none
2004 - 5-7 Signature wins: Mich State Signature losses: New Hampshire
2005 - 7-5 Signature wins: Pitt, Cuse, Cincy, Navy (bowl eligible), Signature losses: Louisville
When you think of the road ahead for the program, Ash and getting to a bowl, keep these years in mind. Maybe in the B1G Ash may not have five years, it may be four at most. Sure the Big East is apples and the B1G and B1G East are oranges, but for the first two, we are going to be woodshedded often. So have patience and know hope.
Doesn't matter because they have playmakers. Last year they just turned the ball over to much, but it looks like it got fixed. Way more competitive than us at the moment.
Bad Comparison. When Schiano arrived here he had nothing ( no facilities, no support, no players, etc). Ash arrived into a whole different situation. Saying it will take 5 years it just delaying the obvious
Well rutgersal if you could have donated a few more $$$$ we may have had a Mark Richt type but probably not ...who the hell wanted to take over this program based upon last season...even I detested Flood at the end...
bottomline is we got the right choice, but we got to be patient and supportive. What Chris Ash has is the intensity that others don't and a willingness to work within our budget constraints, which is why we have so many 1st year coaches.
It will take 5years of really solid recruiting to reach the level of Nebraska ,Wisconsin and penn state. Unless urban Meyer leaves,it could take ten years to competitive with Ohio st. Harbaugh at Michigan is the same situation essentially as Ohio st. As I have said in previous posts, ru needs a blockbuster of a hire once we get the real money in 2021. I,m talking 5-6 M a year for a game changer in recruiting as well as coaching. I like ash and the energy he brings and feel he was the best that we could do with limited funds. Eventually we have to bite the bullet and spend the big bucks to get an urban like coach or remain a middle of the pack team at best. In the meantime , go ru and support this young coach.
I firmly believe that Chris Ash is our Urban like Coach. My biggest concern is whether we'll have the bucks to pay him once the appropriate times comes. Once. His career reaches full stride, Ash will command 6M.
I think 5 years to be competitive is adequate. With our deep reservoir of recruiting talent in NJ and surrounding areas, we should be able to build a team that competes. We have a guy who can get it done, and that's the most important part.
