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UC Regents let UCLA move to Big Ten

MADHAT1 said:
did a quick google and found this
>The University of California - Los Angeles Athletics Program
A total number of 881 student athletes participate in varsity sports at the school, 402 of whom are male and 479 are female. On average, these students receive around $17,966 in sports-related student aid, which can help defray a lot of college costs.<
edit to add after another quick google
>For football, they are in the Football Bowl Subdivision of Division I (formerly Division I-A). UCLA is second to only Stanford University as the school with the most NCAA team championships at 120 NCAA team championships. UCLA offers 11 varsity sports programs for men and 14 for women.<
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First, my applause for using google to look up a link with the answer. I wish more posters would use google or other search engines. Too many posters just make stuff up or assume that their intuition is right. (In my experience, professors do it, too.)

UCLA has 11 men's varsity sports and 14 women's varsity sports. The women's sports for which there's no male equivalent are gymnastics (there used to be a men's gymnastics team), beach volleyball (no surprise there!) , rowing (men's rowing is a club sport) and swimming/diving (there used to be a male swim team.) Football and rugby are the male sports for which there's no female counterpart. (I'm treating baseball and softball as equivalents; some may disagree with that.) My guess (and it's just a guess) is that one or two of the men's teams were retired to make way for women's teams rather than for lack of interest.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Bruins
 
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Here is the link for the UC Regents meeting where the UCLA decision will be discussed:
UC Regents meeting on UCLA
Some things to know:
1) The second meeting called "Board" is where the UCLA discussion will be. You can ignore the Health Committee.
2) The Board is scheduled to start at 2:30 pm California time, but the meeting will start in closed session for an unknown period of time. You will have to monitor the video to see when the Public meeting starts.
3) The video works like a DVR. No matter when you click on the video, you can watch from the beginning. If the meeting is still going on, you should have the option to switch to Live View. If you don't get to see the meeting in real time, the link will still work for a recording of the meeting for some time after the meeting ends.

Enjoy
 
So should be starting now?

Hopefully common sense prevails...

Wouldn't mind a 10% kickback to Cal since it would be funny to see...
 
If Cal isn't getting any penalty money from UCLA, that makes me think they're on the short list with Stanford for B1G entry to lock up the Bay Area market. That's the only logical explanation unless they have utterly incompetent legal representation.
 
bigmatt718 said:
If Cal isn't getting any penalty money from UCLA, that makes me think they're on the short list with Stanford for B1G entry to lock up the Bay Area market. That's the only logical explanation unless they have utterly incompetent legal representation.
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Cal is getting money from UCLA. See above posts. The range will be between 2 and 10 million dollars to be recommended by the President of the University of California and finalized by the Board of Regents. A major factor in the amount will be the size of the PAC 10s future media rights deal.

There are actually 11 conditions included in the approval. Many deal with the ADA and student athletes.
 
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I’m a little surprised at the tax. I think there was a not insignificant chance of one but I would’ve still guessed better than 50-50 no tax.

It does say “recommendation,” I wonder if that sort of language leaves any leeway. How enforceable is it?
 
It seems unclear from the quote above whether the subsidy is one-time or annual. Its size will be based on how much revenue UCLA gets from the Big Ten media deal. Interestingly enough, Cal fans on the bearinsider.com board are divided about whether Cal deserves a subsidy, with some arguing that UCLA shouldn't have to pay for Cal's inability to build an athletic program good enough to attract the Big Ten.

The Big Ten at some point is going to want to get the Bay Area because the carriage fees will be profitable. We'll have to see, though, when that happens and which Bay Area colleges are invited.
 
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retired711 said:
It seems unclear from the quote above whether the subsidy is one-time or annual. Its size will be based on how much revenue UCLA gets from the Big Ten media deal. Interestingly enough, Cal fans on the bearinsider.com board are divided about whether Cal deserves a subsidy, with some arguing that UCLA shouldn't have to pay for Cal's inability to build an athletic program good enough to attract the Big Ten.

The Big Ten at some point is going to want to get the Bay Area because the carriage fees will be profitable. We'll have to see, though, when that happens and which Bay Area colleges are invited.
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Well, that is ONE thing UCLA has on Cal, but generally, it is not, and may never be academics. Although, UCLA is an outstanding University. When we visited 3-4 years ago, the answer we got from students about the difference between UCLA and Cal is "we have a lot more fun." Athletics plays into that. I was surprised during the Cal tour that the tour guide made some snide remarks about Cal football. Not the best look. Have related too that Cal seems to have a Stanford chip on it's shoulder- the tour guide(s) referenced Stanford a couple/few times during the tour. The Stanford tour did not say boo about Cal.

Agree on the carriage fees. But as @Caliknight has remarked, not sure there is a rabid college football fan base in the SF/Silicon Valley area?
 
Knight Shift said:
Well, that is ONE thing UCLA has on Cal, but generally, it is not, and may never be academics. Although, UCLA is an outstanding University. When we visited 3-4 years ago, the answer we got from students about the difference between UCLA and Cal is "we have a lot more fun." Athletics plays into that. I was surprised during the Cal tour that the tour guide made some snide remarks about Cal football. Not the best look. Have related too that Cal seems to have a Stanford chip on it's shoulder- the tour guide(s) referenced Stanford a couple/few times during the tour. The Stanford tour did not say boo about Cal.

Agree on the carriage fees. But as @Caliknight has remarked, not sure there is a rabid college football fan base in the SF/Silicon Valley area?
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I'm not surprised that UCLA students say they have more fun: LA weather is warmer and Westwood is nicer. I don't know whether this is true now, but I noticed in my year as a visiting prof at UCLA that if I smiled at a young woman on the street, she would smile back. At Berkeley, no one smiled back because no one was willing to meet my gaze. There are more weird people in Berkeley, and so everyone must be on guard.

There isn't a rabid college football fan base in the Bay Area, but I don't think it's any worse than here. Beside the departure of the Raiders creates an opportunity for college football, especially in the East Bay where Berkeley is located. The Golden State Warriors have abandoned Oakland for San Francisco, and so there is also an opportunity for college basketball in the East Bay. And the A's, also in the East Bay, have one foot out the door.
 
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retired711 said:
I'm not surprised that UCLA students say they have more fun: LA weather is warmer and Westwood is nicer. I don't know whether this is true now, but I noticed in my year as a visiting prof at UCLA that if I smiled at a young woman on the street, she would smile back. At Berkeley, no one smiled back because no one was willing to meet my gaze. There are more weird people in Berkeley, and so everyone must be on guard.

There isn't a rabid college football fan base in the Bay Area, but I don't think it's any worse than here. Beside the departure of the Raiders creates an opportunity for college football, especially in the East Bay where Berkeley is located. The Golden State Warriors have abandoned Oakland for San Francisco, and so there is also an opportunity for college basketball in the East Bay. And the A's, also in the East Bay, have one foot out the door.
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Forgot about the Raiders' departure. Did not know about the A's. That may create opportunity.

Funny about the smiling back and lack of gaze in the two places. I actually liked Berkeley, CA better than Westwood (if that's the right neighborhood). I prefer gritty college towns similar to New Brunswick. Berkeley had some cool hang outs and shops, especially the record shop. These were things my kid did not care about, LOL. It was UCLA or Rutgers in the end, and RU was the choice. It worked out very well for our kid, and no regrets.
 
Knight Shift said:
Well, that is ONE thing UCLA has on Cal, but generally, it is not, and may never be academics. Although, UCLA is an outstanding University. When we visited 3-4 years ago, the answer we got from students about the difference between UCLA and Cal is "we have a lot more fun." Athletics plays into that. I was surprised during the Cal tour that the tour guide made some snide remarks about Cal football. Not the best look. Have related too that Cal seems to have a Stanford chip on it's shoulder- the tour guide(s) referenced Stanford a couple/few times during the tour. The Stanford tour did not say boo about Cal.

Agree on the carriage fees. But as @Caliknight has remarked, not sure there is a rabid college football fan base in the SF/Silicon Valley area?
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Cal might have a bigger chip on their shoulder regarding Stanford should the B1G decide to add Stanford for the Bay Area market and leave Cal for dead due to this nonsense.
 
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Forgot about the Raiders' departure. Did not know about the A's. That may create opportunity.

Funny about the smiling back and lack of gaze in the two places. I actually liked Berkeley, CA better than Westwood (if that's the right neighborhood). I prefer gritty college towns similar to New Brunswick. Berkeley had some cool hang outs and shops, especially the record shop. These were things my kid did not care about, LOL. It was UCLA or Rutgers in the end, and RU was the choice. It worked out very well for our kid, and no regrets.
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Berkeley wasn't always a gritty town. The last half century has not been kind to it.
 
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Well, that is ONE thing UCLA has on Cal, but generally, it is not, and may never be academics. Although, UCLA is an outstanding University. When we visited 3-4 years ago, the answer we got from students about the difference between UCLA and Cal is "we have a lot more fun." Athletics plays into that. I was surprised during the Cal tour that the tour guide made some snide remarks about Cal football. Not the best look. Have related too that Cal seems to have a Stanford chip on it's shoulder- the tour guide(s) referenced Stanford a couple/few times during the tour. The Stanford tour did not say boo about Cal.

Agree on the carriage fees. But as @Caliknight has remarked, not sure there is a rabid college football fan base in the SF/Silicon Valley area?
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The Stanford Athletics phone number is 1-800-BEAT-CAL.

As for fan intensity, no one would ever mistake Cal fans for Raider fans. (For those not familiar with Raider fans, they are comparable to Eagles fans.) I personally think the level of interest in West Coast football is on par with the Northeast.
 
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retired711 said:
It seems unclear from the quote above whether the subsidy is one-time or annual. Its size will be based on how much revenue UCLA gets from the Big Ten media deal. Interestingly enough, Cal fans on the bearinsider.com board are divided about whether Cal deserves a subsidy, with some arguing that UCLA shouldn't have to pay for Cal's inability to build an athletic program good enough to attract the Big Ten.

The Big Ten at some point is going to want to get the Bay Area because the carriage fees will be profitable. We'll have to see, though, when that happens and which Bay Area colleges are invited.
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The amount will be based in part on the amount of revenue Berkeley gets from the PAC 10 media rights deal.
 
Knight Shift said:
Well, that is ONE thing UCLA has on Cal, but generally, it is not, and may never be academics. Although, UCLA is an outstanding University. When we visited 3-4 years ago, the answer we got from students about the difference between UCLA and Cal is "we have a lot more fun." Athletics plays into that. I was surprised during the Cal tour that the tour guide made some snide remarks about Cal football. Not the best look. Have related too that Cal seems to have a Stanford chip on it's shoulder- the tour guide(s) referenced Stanford a couple/few times during the tour. The Stanford tour did not say boo about Cal.

Agree on the carriage fees. But as @Caliknight has remarked, not sure there is a rabid college football fan base in the SF/Silicon Valley area?
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You might want to check on who is rated the #1 Public University in the USA.

In reality, the difference between Cal and UCLA comes down to major. I don't know if they still do it, but when my daughter applied to the UC system, the booklet listed the average SAT, ACT and GPA for each school in the system for the most common majors. The booklet showed that Cal was higher in many majors, but that UCLA was higher in an equal number of majors. The fact is that both schools are so good that any differences are irrelevant.

The biggest differences are athletics and campuses. Cal has an "urban" campus even more so than Rutgers and students live and function in the Berkeley community. On the other hand, UCLA has a lovely compact campus reminiscent of many older east coast and mid-west universities. An interesting tidbit is how the greeks are divided at UCLA. Fraternity houses make up the western boundary of the campus, while sorority houses make up the eastern boundary, a whole campus away.
 
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political posts, some just can't help themselves .
As for the Regents wanting money for the move, expect them to back off when the BIG takes the rest of California and the PAC goes kaput merging with the Big West to become the PAC/WAC
 
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MADHAT1 said:
political posts, some just can't help themselves .
As for the Regents wanting money for the move, expect them to back off when the BIG takes the rest of California and the PAC goes kaput merging with the Big West to become the PAC/WAC
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Yeah they'll cancel the Calimony once the B1G grabs Cal/Stanford for the Bay Area market.
 
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bigmatt718 said:
Yeah they'll cancel the Calimony once the B1G grabs Cal/Stanford for the Bay Area market.
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"Calimony" -- I like that. Cal fans have no optimism about being taken by the Big Ten. They feel that their AD, football coach and basketball coach are all incompetent and that the administration doesn't care about sports, and so the school's programs aren't good enough to attract the Big Ten. (Both the AD and football coach have long-term contracts.) I tell Cal fans that Cal is too desirable to be left out if the Big Ten wants the Bay Area, and that Cal's programs are no worse than Rutgers' were when we were invited, but I don't make any headway.
 
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"Calimony" -- I like that. Cal fans have no optimism about being taken by the Big Ten. They feel that their AD, football coach and basketball coach are all incompetent and that the administration doesn't care about sports, and so the school's programs aren't good enough to attract the Big Ten. (Both the AD and football coach have long-term contracts.) I tell Cal fans that Cal is too desirable to be left out if the Big Ten wants the Bay Area, and that Cal's programs are no worse than Rutgers' were when we were invited, but I don't make any headway.
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Cal fans are notoriously fatalistic when it comes to CFB and MBB. (Cal is outstanding in many other sports.) I wouldn't pay them much mind. The Bay Area money and market are too big for the Big 10 to ignore forever.
 
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The irony for UCLA fans is that Cal fans have to accept that UCLA success is subsidizing their football program. Gives new meaning to the term "Who's your daddy?"
 
bigmatt718 said:
So Cal fans are more or less the Rutgers fans of the West Coast.
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Worse. I pointed out to them that Cal really hadn't done that badly in football: yes, the Golden Bears were 4-8, but they played USC, UCLA and Notre Dame tough (they lost each game by a touchdown) and won their rivalry game with Stanford. But there is no way to cheer them up. I didn't say, but thought, that a lot of us would have been very pleased if Rutgers had done as well this year. They are convinced there is no hope.
 
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The irony for UCLA fans is that Cal fans have to accept that UCLA success is subsidizing their football program. Gives new meaning to the term "Who's your daddy?"
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Yes, Cal fans (some of who look down on UCLA as the "Southern Branch" [its original name] and "The University of California for Lesser Achievers" [total crap: UCLA gets many more applications than Cal for the same size freshman class]) are not feeling good today.
 
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Yes, Cal fans (some of who look down on UCLA as the "Southern Branch" [its original name] and "The University of California for Lesser Achievers"
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They have goods nicknames out West. Like University of Spoiled Children
 
mdk01 said:
They have goods nicknames out West. Like University of Spoiled Children
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Yeah...took them longer than 5 seconds to create that one instead of the mouth breathers on the East Coast (cough Cuse fans) who can't count past the number 4 who use Buttgers as an insult to us.
 
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