We're going to enjoy Gavin's career at RU...

[fatsam98]

One thing I'll say is we know he can shoot and we know he has some offensive game. He needs to be more confident and that part will come.

But what is starting to become worrisome is that he plays with zero aggression whatsoever. Maybe that's down to overthinking where he's supposed to be and forgetting to just "play"? Idk.

 

[Scangg]

The disappointing thing about Gavin's D is that his dad played high level ball. He didn't teach him anything about defense? The instincts aren't ingrained the way you would expect. It really does look like he has never been coached to play defense before and is trying to figure it out for the first time resulting in information overload

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

We lost by 23 and we are staring down the barrel of no post season prospects. Should we just completely bench Gavin at this point? Give him zero minutes??? I am not saying he looks good right now, but from game to game each guy on this team takes turns looking bad. All of the players are wildly inconsistent and not the greatest talents. Gavin can’t learn how to play against Big Ten competition and improve sitting on his ass all game. I don’t want him starting, hell no, but in a lost season that is going nowhere as far as postseason, Pike can start giving him more minutes than Oskar. We’re losing games either way.

1. Are you willing to cut the cord entirely for the season?
2. If so, does margin of losses mean anything
3. If we play Gavin more do we change any of our defensive philosophies
4. Do we include others in getting them more PT
5. Is it possible playing him more minutes actually makes him worse and starts doubting himself more?
6. How much does he really get better playing, and possibly failing, in games

I welcome any thoughts or opinions that are opposite mine. I just think it’s isnt as easy as playing him more. Id like to hear more than just play him more.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The disappointing thing about Gavin's D is that his dad played high level ball. He didn't teach him anything about defense? The instincts aren't ingrained the way you would expect. It really does look like he has never been coached to play defense before and is trying to figure it out for the first time resulting in information overload

This what i just cant comprehend. You know i agree 100% with your assessment.

 

[shields]

Playing Oskar so many minutes makes no sense. We are going nowhere this year.

 

[RAC93]

1. Are you willing to cut the cord entirely for the season?
2. If so, does margin of losses mean anything
3. If we play Gavin more do we change any of our defensive philosophies
4. Do we include others in getting them more PT
5. Is it possible playing him more minutes actually makes him worse and starts doubting himself more?
6. How much does he really get better playing, and possibly failing, in games

I welcome any thoughts or opinions that are opposite mine. I just think it’s isnt as easy as playing him more. Id like to hear more than just play him more.

It’s not that deep, you’re overthinking it. Gavin is getting like 5-8 minutes right now. Oskar got around 17. Just reverse it, play Gavin 16 minutes later and cut Oskar down to 5-8. We’re losing games anyway. We are losing more than we win this year against real opponents, forget about the out of conference scrub teams we beat early in the season. If we lost to Illinois by 28 because we played Gavin a little more that would somehow be different???? Are you really telling me that Oskar is going to create 10-15 point swings in the margins of defeat or victory we have??? Come on now, that’s just wild. Gavin’s not going to learn and get better from the stimulating conversations he is currently having with Chol on the bench. Cut the cord for the season???? Playing Gavin 10 more minutes per game means we’re giving away games??? That cord was cut a while ago. We’re 10-8, and 2-5 in conference, we can’t shoot, we can’t score, what cord is there to cut???

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

One thing I'll say is we know he can shoot and we know he has some offensive game. He needs to be more confident and that part will come.

But what is starting to become worrisome is that he plays with zero aggression whatsoever. Maybe that's down to overthinking where he's supposed to be and forgetting to

1. Are you willing to cut the cord entirely for the season?
2. If so, does margin of losses mean anything
3. If we play Gavin more do we change any of our defensive philosophies
4. Do we include others in getting them more PT
5. Is it possible playing him more minutes actually makes him worse and starts doubting himself more?
6. How much does he really get better playing, and possibly failing, in games

I welcome any thoughts or opinions that are opposite mine. I just think it’s isnt as easy as playing him more. Id like to hear more than just play him more.

We will be 2-6 after next weekend. At that point, season definitely over. Palmquist is just marginally better on D. He regularly gets beat badly on D. I don't care whether we are losing by 15 or 20 or 25. And no, playing Gavin won't make him a worse player. You serious Clark?

 

[NickRU714]

1. Are you willing to cut the cord entirely for the season?
2. If so, does margin of losses mean anything
3. If we play Gavin more do we change any of our defensive philosophies
4. Do we include others in getting them more PT
5. Is it possible playing him more minutes actually makes him worse and starts doubting himself more?
6. How much does he really get better playing, and possibly failing, in games

I welcome any thoughts or opinions that are opposite mine. I just think it’s isnt as easy as playing him more. Id like to hear more than just play him more.

1. It's not as simple as football where you can be eliminated from bowl contention. But there needs to be answer. We are 2-5 in conference and lost every significant OOC game.
2. Does margin of loss mean anything now? Is losing by 23 better than losing by 30?
3. Are the current defensive philosophies working? Regardless of Gavin.
4. Yes. Davis, Simpson, Gavin, Chol and Ogbole. All players potentially needed next year. Oskar, Noah, Hyatt are gone.
Clif and Mag? Get a feeling on their intentions.
Inside info seems to be Clif is leaving?
Mag was ready to transfer last off season.

5 & 6: these are coaching problems. Hc Pike needs to reassure any player that they are free to make mistakes as long as they learn from them. If players are walking on eggshells out of fear then they'll never develop.

 

[sct1111]

Gavin needs strength and conditioning badly.

At the same time he could still be used as a spot up shooter this year. He has to learn to move without the ball. Unfortunately there is none of that in this offense.

 

[ImBadRU]

Gavin is talented...he needs muscle and 20lbs

 

[NickRU714]

Would we rather find out if Gavin(Davis, Chol, Woolf, Ogbole hopefully) is potentially a lost cause next year with Ace/Dylan or get a better evaluation this year in a season going nowhere?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It’s not that deep, you’re overthinking it. Gavin is getting like 5-8 minutes right now. Oskar got around 17. Just reverse it, play Gavin 16 minutes later and cut Oskar down to 5-8. We’re losing games anyway. We are losing more than we win this year against real opponents, forget about the out of conference scrub teams we beat early in the season. If we lost to Illinois by 28 because we played Gavin a little more that would somehow be different???? Are you really telling me that Oskar is going to create 10-15 point swings in the margins of defeat or victory we have??? Come on now, that’s just wild. Gavin’s not going to learn and get better from the stimulating conversations he is currently having with Chol on the bench. Cut the cord for the season???? Playing Gavin 10 more minutes per game means we’re giving away games??? That cord was cut a while ago. We’re 10-8, and 2-5 in conference, we can’t shoot, we can’t score, what cord is there to cut???

It is deep and not that easy.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Would we rather find out if Gavin(Davis, Chol, Woolf, Ogbole hopefully) is potentially a lost cause next year with Ace/Dylan or get a better evaluation this year in a season going nowhere?

I dont think the staff needs games to figure out that stuff.

If Gavin cant figure out ball man triangle and be able to track his man off the ball in practice it isnt magically happening in games

I see your point a bit with Davis and Woolfolk.

It isnt cut and dry. Not playing him could mean losing him. As a whiney irrational fan after a brutal loss i give us a 1% chance of dancing. Maybe he does need to see the ball go in and know he has a leash and maybe he plays more confidently on D

Problem I see he just looks so darn lost on D. A few passes and be has no idea where his man is.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Gavin needs strength and conditioning badly.

At the same time he could still be used as a spot up shooter this year. He has to learn to move without the ball. Unfortunately there is none of that in this offense.

His guards arent helping and Pike isnt helping by not calling some of the sequences that get him the ball via a down screen.

 

[RAC93]

It is deep and not that easy.

It is that easy, Gavin gets 15-17 minutes off the bench and Oskar gets 5-7 minutes.

 

[Scangg]

If Gavin cant figure out ball man triangle and be able to track his man off the ball in practice it isnt magically happening in games

I was teaching this to someone at pickup bball on Saturday 🤣

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I was teaching this to someone at pickup bball on Saturday 🤣

Did you tell them they have super power can see the ball with their left eye and their man (or woman) with their right?

Did you make them point to both at all times during the game?

 

[bethlehemfan]

People are obsessed with rankings and don’t use their eyes.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It is that easy, Gavin gets 15-17 minutes off the bench and Oskar gets 5-7 minutes.

It isnt that easy. Do you just ignore Cliff and Mag when they are pissed they are losing badly because their coach is playing a player because the recruiting service sys he has 4 or 5 stars.

 

[Scangg]

Did you tell them they have super power can see the ball with their left eye and their man (or woman) with their right?

Did you make them point to both at all times during the game?

That will be the follow up lesson

 

[Scangg]

It isnt that easy. Do you just ignore Cliff and Mag when they are pissed they are losing badly because their coach is playing a player because the recruiting service sys he has 4 or 5 stars.

The locker room could turn to a disaster if Pike sits all the seniors to play the young players and we get embarrassed even worse

If we are a disaster closer to the end of the season, we will likely see minutes increase for younger players

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

1. It's not as simple as football where you can be eliminated from bowl contention. But there needs to be answer. We are 2-5 in conference and lost every significant OOC game.
2. Does margin of loss mean anything now? Is losing by 23 better than losing by 30?
3. Are the current defensive philosophies working? Regardless of Gavin.
4. Yes. Davis, Simpson, Gavin, Chol and Ogbole. All players potentially needed next year. Oskar, Noah, Hyatt are gone.
Clif and Mag? Get a feeling on their intentions.
Inside info seems to be Clif is leaving?
Mag was ready to transfer last off season.

5 & 6: these are coaching problems. Hc Pike needs to reassure any player that they are free to make mistakes as long as they learn from them. If players are walking on eggshells out of fear then they'll never develop.

Number 3 is a big one. The answer is yes, as a whole. The million dollar question i have is what does the defensive philosphies look like next year. Are we going to be switching evertthing with all newcomers. Will we actually play some zone to give Dylan a little rest. Will there be a defensive leash.

So do you play Gavin 20 MPG when we are out of bowl contention and consider playing zone? What is next year going to look like?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The locker room could turn to a disaster if Pike sits all the seniors to play the young players and we get embarrassed even worse

If we are a disaster closer to the end of the season, we will likely see minutes increase for younger players

Thats another factor why this isnt easy.

 

[kcg88]

I'm not sure it's as simple as just playing Gavin more. He often takes bad shots out of the rhythm of the offense when he's in. You can't reinforce that and keep putting him in.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I'm not sure it's as simple as just playing Gavin more. He often takes bad shots out of the rhythm of the offense when he's in. You can't reinforce that and keep putting him in.

That would het fixed if he knows he is getting 20 MPG. Thats why i advocate dont play him 8 minutes. 0 or 20.

 

[bitnez]

I'm not sure it's as simple as just playing Gavin more. He often takes bad shots out of the rhythm of the offense when he's in. You can't reinforce that and keep putting him in.

And Simpson doesn’t? Noah? JMike? They all do. None of it makes sense. But when a guy like Noah gets chance after chance he might give you the 5-6 minute burst he had today. Simpson was terrible against Stonehill but he still got the last shot and he hit it.

Gavin never gets that chance. He’s the kind of guy who could easily hit 3-4 3s in 2 minute period. But he doesn’t get the leash.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

Any way you slice it, we suck. People think we can beat the likes of a Maryland second half of season. I guess they haven't noticed that Young is dropping like 30 a night.

 

[rubs]

Nebraska game was a terrible game for him my opinion. Despite making 3s he hurt us when he was in there. People need to watch him on defense.

Are you blind? Our defense was horrible with or without him in the lineup. Giving up 22 points in a matter of 3-4 minutes is not stellar.

 

[rubs]

Gavin is talented...he needs muscle and 20lbs

Agree

 

[RAC93]

It isnt that easy. Do you just ignore Cliff and Mag when they are pissed they are losing badly because their coach is playing a player because the recruiting service sys he has 4 or 5 stars.

We are losing badly for the most part against real opponents this year anyway. We are 3-8 against real teams (2-5 in conference, beat SHU, lost to Princeton, Miss. State and Wake, Georgetown not a real team). We are losing badly now, what am I missing? If we were 7-4 or 6-5 in those games I would agree with you, but we’re not winning. 3-8 is losing badly. So Cliff and Mag are doing cart wheels of excitement when Oskar is on the floor? You make it sound as if Oskar provided stellar play which is not the case. For every one positive play from Oskar, we all have seen this, there is the inevitable at least one or two or more negative plays that come along with it. Every now and then he has some good moments like he had today. A broken clock is right twice a day. What Oskar has to offer at this point and where this team is at record wise against real opponents does not outweigh the importance of Griffiths gaining experience.

 

[G- RUnit]

Not too long ago he would have been redshirted.

I think he’ll be fine as well. Just get stronger.

 

[jerzeyguy]

Rutgers doesn't do anything to set up its shooters. And Gavin is probably better suited in a zone defense. If he was my son, I'd definitely consider, if this is the right spot for him

 

[MADHAT1]

Gavin is a true freshman.
Give him a mulligan this year and expect him to be a good player next season.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Are you blind? Our defense was horrible with or without him in the lineup. Giving up 22 points in a matter of 3-4 minutes is not stellar.

Yes I am.

 

[essexknight]

The disappointing thing about Gavin's D is that his dad played high level ball. He didn't teach him anything about defense? The instincts aren't ingrained the way you would expect. It really does look like he has never been coached to play defense before and is trying to figure it out for the first time resulting in information overload

To be fair, Simpson’s father was a great shooter and scorer at Rider, and shooting is probably the weakest part of Derek’s game.

 

[snowboarder]

We are to going to
hate seeing him get 18 a game next year for another school I bet.
We played our best defenders tonight and gave up 86 points
It's not as simple as how many more points do we give up if Gavin plays 25 minutes a game .
How many more points do we score if he plays that many minutes ?
He has way more offensive potential then anyone on the current roster
It's not even close
Look at the shooting percentages of those who play
We are rediculously inefficient on offense
Gavin gets some confidence back and he will be back to scoring in double digits

 

[RUBOB72]

1. Are you willing to cut the cord entirely for the season?
2. If so, does margin of losses mean anything
3. If we play Gavin more do we change any of our defensive philosophies
4. Do we include others in getting them more PT
5. Is it possible playing him more minutes actually makes him worse and starts doubting himself more?
6. How much does he really get better playing, and possibly failing, in games

I welcome any thoughts or opinions that are opposite mine. I just think it’s isnt as easy as playing him more. Id like to hear more than just play him more.

There ain’t gonna be any post season celebrations unless you consider the NIT- CB-whatever as a reward for mediocrity. I’m sticking with 15 as our max wins.

 

[NickRU714]

It isnt that easy. Do you just ignore Cliff and Mag when they are pissed they are losing badly because their coach is playing a player because the recruiting service sys he has 4 or 5 stars.

Yes? They are already losing badly.
If Clif and Mag are going to pissed over losing badly they should already be telling the staff the status quo isn't working.

It's not like we're breaking up the 92' Dream Team by switching up the lineups a bit.

 

[Scangg]

Rutgers doesn't do anything to set up its shooters. And Gavin is probably better suited in a zone defense. If he was my son, I'd definitely consider, if this is the right spot for him

Going somewhere that plays mostly zone D helps in the short term but not if he has professional aspirations

 

[RuSnp]

What is Gavin's signature ability? Honest question. I haven't seen the shooting I expected. He's not a creator. He's not a penetrator. That's just offense/no mention of d.