if Gavin is not good enough to play at Rutgers, I would rather know that now, find out and if so we can make arrangements to free a spot up for next year
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That feels a little over the top Bob. He needs to mature. He’ll be ok but it’s gonna take some time.
Maybe if he played some more the rest of this year he could dispel that narrative and show he has different qualities? Just a thought, maybe we should find out. Not saying you’re wrong, he could be, but let’s get a better look at him on the court over these last 15 games or so.
You worry about Shoprite security Bob. Let us handle the basketball angle....
I agree with you but how did he not know this coming into the program. We ran absolutely nothing for Spencer last year either. We miss him badly but he wasn’t a good fit here either. It’s just that he was the only shooter we had. Now we have none.
He hasn’t done anything on offense either. This isn’t Pike sitting some great offensive threat because he only cares about defense. He’s been bad on both sides of the ball. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have potential but the best players now are the ones that should be on the court.
That’s my biggest issue and makes you wonder what scouts are looking at. A guy unwilling to mix it up is rarely going to be a difference maker.
Agreed!
The rotation is working great.
If we start messing with it we might start losing by 20+pts and giving up 85+ pts.
Can't let that happen.
This fanbase is smitten with stars. If he was a mid 3 star most of you would not be having these silly meltdowns. He needs time to develop, he has been lost on defense all year and its hurt his confidence on offense. He can shoot, yes but he struggles very much on defense, rebounding almost non existent and he's already average at best athletically and thin. He's learning how to play big time college basketball. He just needs to keep working and ignore all the idiot fans whose opinion doesn't matter. Needs to eat weights in the off-season also.
Those of you who can't grasp why Oscar took his minutes, I'll give you a hint. Because Oscar is better than him defensively and it's equal right now on the offense end. Watch the kid when he's in and you'll see why he's down to 8 minutes. I am rooting hard for him but some of you think because he was 4-5 stars he should be playing 20+ minutes.
Does Wally Judge ring a bell? Not every 5 star pans out, sorry for the truth serum....
Those of you who can't grasp why Oscar took his minutes, I'll give you a hint. Because Oscar is better than him defensively and it's equal right now on the offense end. Watch the kid when he's in and you'll see why he's down to 8 minutes. I am rooting hard for him but some of you think because he was 4-5 stars he should be playing 20+ minutes.
Does Wally Judge ring a bell? Not every 5 star pans out, sorry for the truth serum....
Dude he is a true freshman. I was so lost my freshman year by mid-year I couldn't take 2 steps forward in football and questioned how the hell I was even good in high school. It hurts your ego and pride big time and I was a no star recruit. I can't imagine Gavin having an NIL agent, all this hype and just struggling. He needs to be tough and look in the mirror and just work through it. Physically he needs a lot of development.
Speak for others.
Stars has nothing to do with it for me.
Gavin, Davis, Chol, Simpson, Woolf - play them all.
Minimal minutes for A Williams, Hyatt, Oskar, Noah.
What's going to happen? Upset players who are gone anyway and lose?
Thats already happening.
The status quo isn't working this season.
Not sure why people are doubling down on it.
Agree with what you’re saying. But can we stop pretending that Oskar, (the guy playing in front of Gavin off the bench and getting more minutes than him) is playing any better on both sides of the ball? Come on now….this is crazy. Oskar is somehow held in such high regard all of a sudden? No one cared when he left for Elon, one of the things he is capable of is shooting……HOWEVER, he has made 5, only 5, 5 total threes the whole year. For every good play he makes we all know that the inevitable two bad plays are likely to follow. Oskar’s a great guy, but come on now, what are we doing here? Griffiths has not been good, but we’re talking about minimal differences in how good Griffiths has been vs. Oskar. I don’t want Griffiths starting, I just want him playing the same number or more minutes than Oskar, that’s it.
At what price?
Plus if he is going to be playable next year what he does in the offseason is very inportant.
Ontersti
See this is funny because everyone has favorites — it just happens that Gavin’s the most highly rated so it’s easy to cast aside people who think he should play more as star chasers.
Our other players are woefully inefficient players and we’re getting smoked every time we leave the state of NJ. We have nothing to lose by playing the kid as Pike plays everyone else even thought the results for them aren’t good.
See this is funny because everyone has favorites — it just happens that Gavin’s the most highly rated so it’s easy to cast aside people who think he should play more as star chasers.
Our other players are woefully inefficient players and we’re getting smoked every time we leave the state of NJ. We have nothing to lose by playing the kid as Pike plays everyone else even thought the results for them aren’t good.
Kid is a freshman and needs 15 pounds of muscle. He will get many more good looks next year. He should be better suited for the B10 with more muscle and experience.
Sorry, but Chol is worse defensively than Gavin. Practice is wherr development happens. If a player isnt proficient in prwctice it isnt happening in a game.
Last game it was 69-69 at end of regualtion vs NebraskaAgreed!
The rotation is working great.
If we start messing with it we might start losing by 20+pts and giving up 85+ pts.
Can't let that happen.
Palmquist blows. He's throwing the rock up backwards over his head on 3-1 fast breaks. What are you watching? His D is not good either.
That's not how this works. This isn't a video game. The players who are performing best play. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.
No not over the top just blatantly honest. Tell me exactly what he has done after 17 games? Now I do realize lately GG’s minutes have been limited partly because of lack of D and inability to get out of his own way. I also said I think he can shoot but needs others to set him up in spots. The problem is people are blind not to see we are failing this player or we are a victim to all the high school hype. Which is it?
Then let him out play Oscar defensively and offensively the next few games. Why is this so hard for some of you to comprehend? Watch him and don't let your eyes leave him when Gavin is in and you will see what happens on defense. Score, score, score, score, score.
Actually we have points to lose. Which is what happens usually. You can tell who has been actually watching the kid when he is in and who has not. He played decent vs Nebraska. That was his best game in a month. Illinois was a step back but they're an excellent team.
Gavin needs 10 weeks of weight training, followed by 2 weeks at tough man camp in the off-season.
Then have him workout on the court by dribbling the ball from one baseline to the other against 4 guys at staggered positions all the way up the court, and when he gets to the other end he must find a way to get a shot at the rim against Cliff.
Then have him do box-out drills against Wolf with guys taking shots from all over the paint and arc area. Then and only then should he be allowed to take 3-pointers in practice, and once he’s fully exhausted, put him at the foul line for three shots. Then repeat these toughness drills until he shows some toughness and initiative.
Kid needs a Drill Sargent.
Then have him workout on the court by dribbling the ball from one baseline to the other against 4 guys at staggered positions all the way up the court, and when he gets to the other end he must find a way to get a shot at the rim against Cliff.
Then have him do box-out drills against Wolf with guys taking shots from all over the paint and arc area. Then and only then should he be allowed to take 3-pointers in practice, and once he’s fully exhausted, put him at the foul line for three shots. Then repeat these toughness drills until he shows some toughness and initiative.
Kid needs a Drill Sargent.
"Best" is a relative term.
Who gave up the 24-5 run to put the game away? Our "best" doesn't seem to be much better than our "worst".
Then what does that say about Gavin who is getting less minutes? Think about it. Or do me a favor and just watch Gavin like he is your family member. Don't let your eyes leave him when he is in and you'll start to see his issues.
God I hate that you guys are making me bash this kid. I am rooting hard for him but all of you who think you know better than Pike just make me smh. Throw his HS rankings out the window. No one cares about that now.
And the game before that? 20pt loss to Michigan State.
Okay, now you go.
I think I'm going to win if we go game for game and the results from playing our "best".
Be careful some on here will tell you that you’re not being fair. These guys are on scholarships and NIL or am I thinking of another team’s players.
This is “backup QB can’t be worse level bullshit”. Pike knows who his best players are and he’s playing them. The fact that we don’t have any players capable of beating Illinois is a separate issueAgreed!
The rotation is working great.
If we start messing with it we might start losing by 20+pts and giving up 85+ pts.
Can't let that happen.
Oskar isn’t held in “high regard”. The fact that Oskar has earned minutes on this team says more about the rest of the team than it does about Oskar.
I honestly think some posters here are unaware that the basketball team has practices and that the coaches are at said practices.
No. It's "the starting QB is graduating and we are 2-7. Whats the worst that happens if the backup gets playing time and gets a headstart on next year? It's either earlier development or more evidence that changes need to be made."
It's not like we're tinkering with the lineup for a Top 5 Big Ten team.
I basically disagree with this whole mentality and I think Pike should be trying his best to win the games in front of him.
Read my earlier reply… sometimes you hurt the one you love. He’s on scholarship - Probably NiL… people here have said before this player is not ready for this type of play. If that’s too tough and offends some fans time to face reality. Playing too nice will not help Gavin improve on the court nor help this team win games.
