Did you expect Bailey to go 1-8? What should Pike have done…….please I beg you. Explain away.
When will this board get it…pike not a good coach
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while I’m thankful for him breaking the embarrassing 30-year tournament drought, 2 tournament appearances (1 tournament win) in 8 seasons should not make a coach untouchable
Believe SHU missed 7 and we missed 15. Even with new math my point holds true
I've been fairly explicit that I believe there are certain fundamentals of basketball that our coaching staff does not emphasize enough. The two most obvious being (1) boxing out, and (2) free throw shooting.
No one disagree with you, but this guy is just trolling the board.
These guys have been hoping for him to fail since 2017. It’s insane.
He doesn’t get that. 4 tourney worthy rosters only had 2 bites at the apple with Covid and an ACL costing us those. One of those was a classic in 22 and the “what could have been” in 21 against a really good Houston team. Lots of good coaches have the occasional dumpster fire year too.
I’m really not sure what some fans expectations are - and why the football first crowd has such a higher bar for success for Pike vs. Schiano.
Practices are limited. Better to be doing team work with guys shooting on their own.
And he’s going to go top 3 in the draft…do you really think he’s a 12% FT shooter?
And a coach can't help players with their free throw shooting? It is somewhat on the staff.
We rarely run anything for anybody, one of a number of reasons he is not very good. After seeing Cam Spencer at UCONN, it's a crying shame what Pike got out of him.
You mean the extra 0.9 ppg more.
You really think every players doesn’t shoot hundreds and hundreds of free throws a week if not thousands? You every watched warm ups and see most of the teams shooting some after the structured warm ups.
I do think they need a mental free throw coach to make sure they a have a consistent quick routine. Free throws are a lot like putting in golf. Most of the great putters once they approach the ball after aiming just hit it quickly. Those that think over the putt are not as good. I like Lathan as an example who just shoots quickly.
How can an adult continue to post such ridiculous things?
"sporadic moments" ??? Do you even know what the record was for those years ? Post season for 7 of the 9 years...
BTW @Plum Street Tom Young was our coach 49 years ago ('73-'85)... but you think Pike is better? ..OK. Nuff said.
| Year | Seed | Round | Opponent | Result |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1975 | First Round | Louisville | L 78–91 | |
| 1976 | First Round Sweet Sixteen Elite Eight Final Four National 3rd Place Game | Princeton Connecticut VMI Michigan UCLA | W 54–53 W 93–79 W 91–75 L 70–86 L 92–106 | |
| 1979 | #6 | Second Round Sweet Sixteen | #3 Georgetown #10 St. John's | W 64–58 L 65–67 |
| 1983 | #9 | First Round Second Round | #8 Southwest Louisiana #1 St. John's | W 60–53 L 55–66 |
NIT (when it was relevant because the NCAA was just 32 teams until 1985 when it went to 48))
As previously posted and not updated for this year..and you can debate "quality opponent" or you can do the work yourself using 200rpi or better teams or home /away. etc...(trying to remove the cup cakes) but these are the facts. Feel how you want to about them...
| Conf | Qual NC* | any Tourney | Overall | ||||||
| Year | W | L | W | L | W | L | W | L | % |
| 23-24 | 7 | 13 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 17 | 32.0% |
| 22-23 | 11 | 9 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 13 | 14 | 48.1% |
| 21-22 | 12 | 8 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 13 | 13 | 50.0% |
| 20-21 | 10 | 10 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 13 | 12 | 52.0% |
| 19-20 | 11 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 13 | 11 | 54.2% | ||
| 18-19 | 7 | 13 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 17 | 32.0% |
| 58 | 62 | 7 | 14 | 3 | 8 | 68 | 84 | 44.7% | |
| 16-18 | 6 | 30 | 3 | 2 | 9 | 32 | 22.0% | ||
| Overall | 64 | 92 | 7 | 14 | 6 | 10 | 77 | 116 | 39.9% |
| 22-23 Counting OSU as win | |||||||||
| * Quality Non-Conf equals ACC, BE, AAC, A10, SEC,B12,P10,Ivy |
ok "dude" well that's what you typed and if I were Jesus Christ I would have know better.
I don't have to. I've experienced them all. However I was a fan of Bannon and liked his style (ex. the shenanigans') and the players he brought in. Pike is the best since Young. Check.
I'm not sure the fact that we wandered in the desert for 40 years should lower our expectations now. I DO think it means Pike should get more credit for what he built in 2019-2022 because he was working from a terrible starting point. But I don't think that means we need to be happy with NITs all the time going forward.
Exactly right. Pike did a great job building the program, but that phase is over. It's time to produce.
I've quibbled with the definition of quality non conference on @DHajekRC84 's table there and would do it again. I also think his "starting out free pass" should include 2018-19. But the point is not lost.
I agree with your amended position. I don't think there is a true right or wrong answer. There's stats and then there's opinion (what's important and relevant in the comparison). Kinda like two announcers..the play by play guy and the color guy. (sorry way too deep for Sunday morning).
yes, you're the reason I noted it . I remember. It was a fair discussion.
oh and for the record I am not saying Pike is not a good coach. I think he's good just not great.
Here is his record at RU.
Year 1 - Very good because we were 7-25 previous year.
2 - OK, still getting things together.
3 - Hmm.
4 - Bingo! Tournament team.
5 - Very good, 6th in league, tournament win.
6 - Very good, 4th in league and making dance.
7 - Not good, snubbed but then not having a run in NIT embarrassing.
8 - Bad, 12th in league, not even NIT.
9 - Concerning to date, hoping team gels. Less than dance will be not good.
When watching Cam at UConn I notice they set loads of picks, for him and others, and he even set picks. They constantly picked until the shot, multiple times per possession, it usually creates a good shot and also drains a defense down over the course of a game. We seem to run around and hand the ball off, easy to defend. We should pick more, it is basketball 101. I do feel our fundamentals are weak. We get burned on cutters but never seem to burn anyone. We get passes picked off that would not have been if a bounce pass. We frequently have foul shooting issues and display poor basketball IQ. This team is young and learning to play together but if we don't improve during the course of the year that is on coaching.
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big Ten Conference) (2016–present) | |||||
| 2016–17 | Rutgers | 15–18 | 3–15 | 14th | |
| 2017–18 | Rutgers | 15–19 | 3–15 | 14th | |
| 2018–19 | Rutgers | 14–17 | 7–13 | T–10th | |
| 2019–20 | Rutgers | 20–11 | 11–9 | T–5th | NCAA Division I Canceled |
| 2020–21 | Rutgers | 16–12 | 10–10 | T–6th | NCAA Division I Round of 32 |
| 2021–22 | Rutgers | 18–14 | 12–8 | T–4th | NCAA Division I First Four |
| 2022–23 | Rutgers | 19–15 | 10–10 | T–9th | NIT First Round |
| 2023–24 | Rutgers | 15–17 | 7–13 | T–12th | |
| 2024–25 | Rutgers | 7-4 | 1-1 | ||
| Rutgers: | 139–127 (.523) | 64–94 (.405) |
2 - OK, still getting things together.
3 - Hmm.
4 - Bingo! Tournament team.
5 - Very good, 6th in league, tournament win.
6 - Very good, 4th in league and making dance.
7 - Not good, snubbed but then not having a run in NIT embarrassing.
8 - Bad, 12th in league, not even NIT.
9 - Concerning to date, hoping team gels. Less than dance will be not good.
When watching Cam at UConn I notice they set loads of picks, for him and others, and he even set picks. They constantly picked until the shot, multiple times per possession, it usually creates a good shot and also drains a defense down over the course of a game. We seem to run around and hand the ball off, easy to defend. We should pick more, it is basketball 101. I do feel our fundamentals are weak. We get burned on cutters but never seem to burn anyone. We get passes picked off that would not have been if a bounce pass. We frequently have foul shooting issues and display poor basketball IQ. This team is young and learning to play together but if we don't improve during the course of the year that is on coaching.
It's all a matter of perspective though. If they don't get snubbed in year 7 people would be happier. If Cam/Mulcahy don't transfer late, etc. The introduction of free for all transfers also reset things a bit. Can't give Pike a pass there as other schools figured their shit out but it all adds up.
All that being said, the team this year has issues and if they don't make the tournament it's a complete failure of a season. No excuses
Pretty fair imo. Pike got stung by nil last year. Much better team if he doesn’t get screwed late by those transfers. That said Noah was huge error. UConn runs great offense by any measure. they are always moving whereas we get stagnant. Part of the issue imo is we don’t have 5 good offensive players on the floor at one time. UConn has had incredible rosters. I’d rather have a little more iso with harp and ace than get a lot of touches for some of the other guys on the floor. But the roster is pikes job. This year who knows. Beginning of the year I thought not even nit worthy. Recently I’ve seen reason for hope. Trying to just take it one at a time and enjoy watching the team develop
Halloway was asked in his presser to explain the difference defensively between halves. As odd as that presser was, he explained that in the first half we used a lot of screens and they attacked the screens well and got the turnovers but in the second half we stopped the screens. This caused their defense to change and they wound up fouling more. Yes, we went more iso which is being heavily criticized in this thread as an example of Pike’s inability to coach. It worked. They fouled a lot but we missed the fouls shots.. sometimes coaches make adjustments that don’t work out because the execution (in this case foul shooting) doesn’t work out. The opposing coach (not me) pointed out that Rutgers changed their approach and it worked. Well who was responsible for that change in approach? I wonder, maybe it was the RU COACH.
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