Which is more likely this season?
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There should be another choice ,none of the above.
If Corey is in top 3 in scoring this year we are in trouble
We need his scoring to stay the same...and the apg to go up a bunch for us to get lot more Ws
We need his scoring to stay the same...and the apg to go up a bunch for us to get lot more Ws
Just a follow up (breakdown is entire season, not just B1G):
Sanders was 9th in PPG last year. He was 8th in APG. He was tied for 1st in StPG.
Williams wasn't listed for 3pt%. He was 24th in PPG, I believe.
Freeman didn't play in enough games to be listed. Foreman was 14th in RPG.
Sa was 2nd in BPG in JC.
Sanders was 9th in PPG last year. He was 8th in APG. He was tied for 1st in StPG.
Williams wasn't listed for 3pt%. He was 24th in PPG, I believe.
Freeman didn't play in enough games to be listed. Foreman was 14th in RPG.
Sa was 2nd in BPG in JC.
Exactly, if he gets everyone else involved in the offense we will be better off. The one on your list I would want the most is for Freeman to be top 3 in rebounds.
Picking none of the above isn't a very fun answer, so I'll go with Corey having a big scoring year coupled with the fact that many B1G leading scorers have graduated and moved on.
18 ppg made top 3 last season, so it's not an unreasonable prediction.
18 ppg made top 3 last season, so it's not an unreasonable prediction.
I will say that I'm interested to see how Sanders plays under Pikiell. He's talented and by far the best player we have.
I also agree, though, that if he's scoring even more, there's a good chance that the rest of the team isn't performing very well.
I also agree, though, that if he's scoring even more, there's a good chance that the rest of the team isn't performing very well.
Tough one. Sanders is 3rd in scoring among returning B1G players (was 8th overall last year) behind Hill from Illinois and Jok from Iowa. However, I don't expect his ppg to go up much if anything. As others pointed out, I'm hoping his assist numbers increase more into the top 3 area (he was 8th last year there as well).
So I'll go with Sa is the most likely. He averaged 3.8 blocks per game in JUCO. Tops in the B1G last year had 2.6, followed by 2.5 and then third was a big dropoff to 1.8. And all of the top 8 players in the B1G last year in blocked shots per game either graduated or transferred to another conference. Not saying this isn't going to be a massive increase in competition for Sa, but 2 per game is attainable.
So I'll go with Sa is the most likely. He averaged 3.8 blocks per game in JUCO. Tops in the B1G last year had 2.6, followed by 2.5 and then third was a big dropoff to 1.8. And all of the top 8 players in the B1G last year in blocked shots per game either graduated or transferred to another conference. Not saying this isn't going to be a massive increase in competition for Sa, but 2 per game is attainable.
Blocks are very overrated. Just saying.
For every block a game, you get four fouls.
lol.A lot of people agree on this concept. It is very hard to teach blocking a basketball without the player getting impatient and fouling the other player.
Having your arms straight up and jumping straight up is what is said to be the most preferred way of playing post defense.It limits people bending their arms and hitting the attacking, jumping offensive player.
It is hard to find many people who can block shots effectively and not foul often.
Good shot blockers don't just block shots and they learn not to foul. They alter the trajectory of a shot, making the player not take the best route to the hoop or have to avoid the long arms of the player. Do you want to teach someone who is not good at blocking shots how to block a shot? Probably not, but someone (perhaps like Sa) who has the talent? It's an important defensive weapon. A last line of defense... maybe in a press? Shot blockers have value.
It is a weapon for sure. I just see more fouls happen that block shots.
Also, on a team that is trying so hard to become average, you want to limit as many fouls as possible. It seems like the emphasis at practice is getting the slides happening as quickly as possible. That I believe is more effective to a defense. I would rather have seen Sa be top five in rebounding for his league. Then he probably would not have landed here.
You... just stated that for every blocked shot it equals 4 fouls as if it were fact. it's not.
You are right that is can be used effectively, and help a team.
If you look at the top shot blockers, the top guy last year blocked 3.2 shots per game, and fouled 2.7 times per game. His name was Tai Odias.
Demarcus Daniels, 35 on the list, blocked 2.1 shots per game, and fouled 3 times per game.
You are on point, it can be a weapon. But in this day and age in recruiting, seeing that you have a great shot blocker does not make me jump out of my seat. It rarely helps you win games night in and night out. We can disagree.
So for every 1 block, Demarcus Daniels fouled 1.5 times. That is not "For every 1 block you get four fouls." Tai Odias fouled less than 1 foul per block.
Here's how it works: If you say, "I would prefer positional defenders because shot blockers tend to foul more" and then back it up with those stats, that's an acceptable opinion. It's harder for me to argue with it. No one is saying you have to jump out of your seat.
If you say "For every 1 block you get four fouls" as if it is facts, you deserve to get called out about it.
I just think with this team, with the talent being a little slimmer than the rest of the big ten, you have to do certain things to increase your chances at winning. You have to stick to the basics, and do things that do not require talent. That is how we pull out fourteen wins.
Jameel Warney was fourth or fifth on the list. We may have the right staff to do it.
Jameel Warney was fourth or fifth on the list. We may have the right staff to do it.
Dave, I was being sarcastic. I did not say that was fact. I was trying to say, more times than not, you foul. I think it is is overrated. That was my first post and I stick to it!I want to jump out of my seat at a recruit! That means we are trending upwards.
Lol, shots dettered?As blocked shots? Yeah, I would rather a strong rebounder ten out of ten times. On a list of things I would like to see a recruit have, a shot blocker would be second to last thing. The last thing would be a player that had a ton of fouls.
Rim protection means nothing if you are losing games. Another way you win games is if you have your best players on the court in the last foul minutes. That means players to not foul out.
That is all.
In my opinion, and it's my opinion, I think a shot blocker/rim protector could be very valuable on this team. Let's look at where Rutgers has some depth. They are deeper at forward than guard. What a rim protector can do is make up for poor defense by a guard. If the opponent gets by your guard, your rim protector is there to try and alter the shot. Now, without a strong rim protector the defending guard may need to foul his opponent in order to keep that guy from getting to the rim.
Looking at our team, most speculate our two best offensive players are Johnson and Sanders. I'd much rather Sa get in foul trouble (when he could be backed up by Freeman, Doorson, Diallo and maybe even Thiam or in a pinch Bullock), rather than Sanders and Johnson. That said, maybe Sa is a *really good* shot blocker who won't get in foul trouble much. I don't know and havne't seen him play. I just know that Carino says the staff loves him so far and we beat out Texas and Pitt for him, and I think he's going to play a really important role on this team.
Looking at our team, most speculate our two best offensive players are Johnson and Sanders. I'd much rather Sa get in foul trouble (when he could be backed up by Freeman, Doorson, Diallo and maybe even Thiam or in a pinch Bullock), rather than Sanders and Johnson. That said, maybe Sa is a *really good* shot blocker who won't get in foul trouble much. I don't know and havne't seen him play. I just know that Carino says the staff loves him so far and we beat out Texas and Pitt for him, and I think he's going to play a really important role on this team.
I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean it's not valuable.
I'm not strictly speaking about shots blocked. I'm speaking about rim protection, which encompasses far more than just swats. The two are usually not mutually exclusive. Not sure why you are laughing at deterred and altered shots though.
Hamady N'Diaye, 2010 - 92 fouls (2.9 per), 145 blocks (4.5 per), 28.3 mpg.
Yes, I'll absolutely take a great rebounder and defensive anchor over a pure shot blocker, but if we have a great shot blocker, than we have a great shot blocker. I certainly wouldn't call it inconsequential.
Yes, I'll absolutely take a great rebounder and defensive anchor over a pure shot blocker, but if we have a great shot blocker, than we have a great shot blocker. I certainly wouldn't call it inconsequential.
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It is valuable. I just do not think Sa best attribute this year is going to be him blocking shots. Blocking 3 shots is not going to help our cause.
I think his most value is being able to play in the paint, and on the 3 pt line. He will keep defenses honest, and that will allow Sanders and Johnson to attack the rim more, and get easy shots at the foul line. If he grabs seven rebounds a game, he is extremely valuable.
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