Who else is not convinced HCKF will be fired?
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I read an excerpt from Bob Barchi's Townhall meeting regarding our football program and unless I'm not understanding the man he has no intention of investing large sums of money in this program, whether it be improving facilities or a new head coach.
I think you are wrong. He cannot be that stupid. He knows that if he does not invest in facilities and Coaches then the donors and alumni will not "Invest" in Rutgers. That is both Athletics and Academics.
Cristobal is a good coach. He took a 0-win team, that just started playing football 4 years earlier (with their first game against St. Peter's), to a bowl in 4 years, and 8 wins in 5 years. They even beat Louisville at Louisville, and UCF. Things went south because of administration dysfunction (sound familiar?), and he got fired, but that doesn't change what he accomplished. The guys on here who laugh at him are the same ones who think we're above Schiano, Golden, Rhule, blah blah blah. You guys are delusional.
Exactly he is playing it way too cute here..most of his other info is loosely known I dont see whats stopping him from giving the 3 names
I'm curious about the many people who feel RU saw the highest level Schiano could reach -- do you really believe that Greg recruiting players for the Big Ten would fail to make a difference? For me, Greg had some good games as coach (second half of Louisville 2006 was brilliant coaching imo) and some that were lousy, BUT he definitely knows how to put together and run a great defense. IMO, to compete in the Big Ten in the near future we're going to either need a great defense or a great offense. He can bring that.
I know recruiting did not get a bump from entering the Big Ten with Flood. IMO, that's entirely on Flood. We SHOULD have gotten a bump. It's a crime that a head coach could actually do worse with in-state recruits going from the Big East to the Big Ten. It's insane. We may have kids that want to play in the SEC, but Jersey has ALWAYS had kids go to Big Ten schools from Penn State to Nebraska and everything in between.
You do realize we will play those teams every single year, right? The idea that RU needs to hold them on a pedestal is GONE. They are conference foes. If we believe we can never beat them we should simply give up on football itself.
Nothing I've heard or seen has yet caused me to alter my "bet" that it's still 60/40 he stays. RU may be weighing other options, but unless some other off-field thing can be laid at Flood's feet, I think RU is more likely than not to stick with what Flood for the moment.
In fact, the things I'm hearing in this thread are making me feel like I should up his odds. But for now, I'm still thinking it's about 60/40 he stays.
And for all you morons dumb enough to misconstrue what I just said as a desire instead of what it is (a projection), please check yourselves into an assisted living facility before you do yourself or others around you harm through sheer idiocy.
Or is that not mild enough? :D
Sounds like you're already making excuses for him. Careful or you might get labeled a Cristobalie.
You're trying to sell us on the idea that he's a good coach except when he's saddled with a dysfunctional admin in the same breath that you allude to our dysfunctional admin. Let me give you some time to think about that.
So. Maybe you want to rework your sales pitch a little?
In the 2013 botched firing there was a list as well. If I recall, it was Golden, Franklin, Tressel, and Mullin. So the last 3 are out this time.
This actually makes sense this time around again. We know the "big donor" class at RU have a shtick that our HC be former p5 HC, while the most successful coach we ever had was a coordinator...lol
2 of 3 are definitely Golden and Schiano. Read the tea leaves. Also both are hunting for a job, from NJ, Schiano was here already. I don't about Golden, but Schiano is a safe sell on Julie's part- most of the fanbase loves him, has a do it right mentality after scandal, knows the terrain.
My guess is Door #3 is a disaffected P5 coach (think Bielema writing the Arkansas AD or the Wisconsin coach leaving for Oregon State who we would never guess) or maybe a midmajor coach that the donor class really likes like Rhule, Hermann, or Babers that have beaten some good teams.
Flood has to go. Do I want Golden or Cristobal or Fleck, no. Am I confident we can correct the program to at least a 6-7 win clean level under them- yes. They just have to get even the NJ kids GS was getting to RU in the BE. And that can take us into getting more cash and making a switch.
This actually makes sense this time around again. We know the "big donor" class at RU have a shtick that our HC be former p5 HC, while the most successful coach we ever had was a coordinator...lol
2 of 3 are definitely Golden and Schiano. Read the tea leaves. Also both are hunting for a job, from NJ, Schiano was here already. I don't about Golden, but Schiano is a safe sell on Julie's part- most of the fanbase loves him, has a do it right mentality after scandal, knows the terrain.
My guess is Door #3 is a disaffected P5 coach (think Bielema writing the Arkansas AD or the Wisconsin coach leaving for Oregon State who we would never guess) or maybe a midmajor coach that the donor class really likes like Rhule, Hermann, or Babers that have beaten some good teams.
Flood has to go. Do I want Golden or Cristobal or Fleck, no. Am I confident we can correct the program to at least a 6-7 win clean level under them- yes. They just have to get even the NJ kids GS was getting to RU in the BE. And that can take us into getting more cash and making a switch.
I think you're projecting your fondness for Schiano onto future recruits, who almost certainly aren't particularly familiar w/Schiano being anybody special. Yeah, he'd be recruiting for a Big Ten team now, which helps. But he'd also be recruiting against storied Big Ten teams too, which hurts more than being in the Big Ten probably helps. For the time being, at least.
And I'll grant that he is a good defensive coordinator from a game-planning standpoint. And I watched him make some pretty good halftime adjustments on D. But he could never figure out how to defend against the spread consistently.
He stinks on offense and he's a control freak so he either won't hire a good O coord, or won't be able to get one to coach under him, or will get one but won't listen to him (I don't care what he said in that recent interview about being a changed man - everybody says that crap when they're down).
He peaked. He could never beat W. Virginia and the Big Ten East has a handful of teams generally at least as good, if not better than W. Virgina. He couldn't out-recruit our competition when we were in the Big East, forget about the Big Ten.
I love what he did to build up the program. But he's done almost nothing to lead me to believe he'd be the guy to make us competitive against the Big Ten elite.
Let's either spend 10MM and get our version of a Harbaugh (the best bet, but unlikely to happen), or let's give some young new coach that's been winning consistently and give him a chance.
Schiano beat tOSU, TTFP and Michigan for recruits while we were in the BE. People are really underestimating our prior recruiting.
Of the names bandied about here, aside from Hermann who is not realistic, Schiano is the only one who go into the same living room as Meyer or Harbaugh and it not be a total joke. Not to mention a clown like Franklin, who hasn't come close to Schiano's accomplishments.
Of the names bandied about here, aside from Hermann who is not realistic, Schiano is the only one who go into the same living room as Meyer or Harbaugh and it not be a total joke. Not to mention a clown like Franklin, who hasn't come close to Schiano's accomplishments.
Recruits and their parents would be asking: Schian-who? Oh, that guy that was fired by Tampa Bay.
As for him out-recruiting Big Ten teams, show your work. All I could find, by way of recruiting-class stats, was stuff on ESPN which gave the following info:
- 2006 - PSU #9, OSU #10, Michigan #11
- 2007 - Michigan #10, OSU #20, PSU #21
- 2008 - OSU #6, Michigan #13,
- 2009 - OSU #9, Michigan #10, PSU #16, RU #21
- 2010 - PSU #11, Michigan #14, OSU #16
- 2011 - OSU #7
- 2012 - OSU #6, Michigan #7, RU #24
That's kinda ridiculous imo because Schiano wasn't exactly somebody special when he arrived was he? Unless being a coordinator on a good Miami team made him that. And yet, he was able to CONVINCE several key pieces of RU's turnaround to come to a program that had been dead in the water for half a decade.
I've said it before, I think RU and Schiano might be better off going in separate directions, but if they brought Greg back I think he'd do a terrific job. And I think being able to sell the Big Ten and all of the things he could never promise before (every game on tv, strong possibility of a few national or at least regional network tv broadcasts, realistic shot at New Years Eve bowl games -- and much better bowl games, and playing the top teams in college football) would bring in the type of players we aren't getting now.
Schiano knows being a coach means being a great salesman as well. I think you are underrating his ability to sell and maybe overplaying what he was able to offer before.
I don't think I'm underrating him at all. And he can't just sell the Big Ten. If we want to compete with the elite Big ten schools, we need to out-recruit the elite Big Ten teams for more than just a few players. He's just not a big enough name to do that, IMO. He's a relative nobody to HS recruits.
Schiano never out recruited B10 schools or Notre Dame in NJ. They would cherry pick our very best athletes year after year. All you need to do is go back to 2006-2010 and see where they committed. I'll give Schiano credit in that he improved recruiting significantly which improved depth. His 2006 team was loaded with NFL talent but an early season injury to Sean Tucker (WR) may have cost us a BE championship. After his signature win against Ville he lost to a Dantonio led Cincy team that was loaded with 2* athletes. No matter how good we were Rodriguez , Kelly and Edsall (on occasion) always found a way to beat him.
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Yes, you are.
When he first became coach at RU people could have (and probably did say) Schiano who. And yet he was s me to lure NFL talent to a school that had only a handful of guys play pro in the previous two decades.
He was fired by an NFL team. Big deal. Many of the best college coaches to ever go to the NFL were fired early on as well. It's still big that he was hired by an NFL team. You're downplaying that fact as well. Just as you're downplaying the FACT that Schiano part 2 could not only sell the Big Ten and its advantages but can sell all of the players that went to the NFL under his watch.
I'm not saying he's the best choice for RU. I'm saying people are crazy to downplay what he offers. I understand why some do it, I don't understand why people that were fans in the 80s and 90s who then saw the program sink to the bottom with Shea do it.
Ok let's tackle this one issue at a time. Based on Rivals Top 100 athletes in the country from 2006-2011 (600 athletes) a total of 12 were from NJ & NY. So let's start by dismissing this notion that NJ & NY is full of NFL talent. That is a mere figment of our imagination. Coach Schiano landed 1 of the 12 possible Top 100 athletes when he recruited Anthony Davis. The other 11 went elsewhere. If our 2006 team was coached by Kelly, Rodriguez or Patrino we would win the BE and have played in BCS game.
You lost me when you mentioned Petrino, who Schiano BEAT that year and kept out of the national championship. It can be argued that if it wasn't for a phantom referee whistle or dropped pass (take your pick), Schiano would and should have beat Rodriguez that year as well. As for losing to Cincinnati that season, look no further than Rodriguez a year later, being in the drivers seat for a MNC berth and crapping the bed in the Backyard Brawl..
Listen we could go back and forth all day with this argument. Many forget that West Virginia started a freshman quarterback in that game. I believe his name was Jarret Brown. If we are to compare Greg Schiano to Bobby Patrino purely on a college football resume, there is no comparison. The same applies to Kelly and Rodriguz. Even Edsall won two BE titles with inferior talent. I believe Schiano and Mulcahy took Rutgers to new levels and for that we should all applaud his efforts. But what Schiano taught me is that a coach alone cannot take a program to the top of the mountain without the administrations support. I know for a fact that coach Schiano was shot down at least 5 times by the admin while trying to bring in borderline kids who phenomenal athletes. I'm willing to bet that Patrino, Kelly (in Cincy) and Rodriguez never dealt with those obsticals.
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I'm not too worried about the possibility of Flood coming back next year. Does that mean that I think his firing is a done deal? - No. It's just that my consolation prize if he returns is the $5-10K I will save on tickets, parking passes, and donations.
I mean, no. Just because you want Flood back, doesn't mean that Cristobal is a bad coach. The guy took a 0-win program and won 15 games combined in his 4th and 5th years. Let me give you some time to think about that.
I realize critical thinking is hard for you, but don't let your love for Flood blind you to the possibility that there are other options out there.
Just to be clear, are you saying you have information that Flood will be back? Or is that just a guess?
Maybe not the boxes and packing materials....but definitely not DC title...his 2 yr experiment is over. Obviously he wasn't ready...like many of our coaches...I would demote back to ST.
Sorry, Mrs. Christobal. Your husband is a loser. You, OTOH, are smoking hot.
Hubby's record is 27 and 47. And that's against a particularly weak average schedule of -4.21. His best season ever was 8-5 against a pathetically weak SOS of -8.68.
We already have a coach that specializes in winning games against weak opposition. We don't need to hand a 5 year contract to another guy like that. We need a coach that can win games against the Big Ten elite.
So you can continue to try to insult my ability to apply critical thinking if that makes you feel better about yourself. And you can continue to completely misrepresent my position on Flood if you think that somehow helps your argument.
But what you cannot do is redefine a lifetime coaching of 27 - 47 into something resembling success.
You support Flood, which is fine. I would expect a moron like you to support him. After all, you compare people who want him fired to Nazis. You sound like an old, bitter man. Might want to work on that and fix your own problems before taking them out on a message board.
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Doubling down on the misrepresentations and insults, I see. [roll]
At least there's a pleasing symmetry to your posts. In your first response, you misrepresented me once, and insulted me once. In this second response, you're up to two of each. Wanna go for three and three the next time around? ROFL
Try to stay focused. You were trying to convince the board that we should hire Christobal. Remember? I'm not without sympathy for your position, though. It's damn hard to sell a guy whose record is 27 - 47.
So if Flood stays like some have said on here there has to be coordinator changes. Rossi definitely has to go. McDaniels hasn't looked great either. So we do fire one, or both, and pay their buyout plus the cost of new coordinators? Seems like short term thinking. More money wasted and honestly at what point do we look at the coordinator turnover under Flood and say it's on him. Seems like Flood has to go.
I'm like Jon Snow and Sergeant Schultz, I know nothing (about this stuff).
I wrote this post with Oscar/Emmy/Golden Globes prognostications in mind, which usually appear in a should win/will win format.
I think he will stay because (1)this administration would offer a HC minimum wage if it could and (2) there's too many HC openings this year for us compete with to get a quality coach.
Rutgers isn't getting a better name than GS. They just aren't. Now, they might strike lightening in a bottle and get some hot shot recruiter that can coach at this level, but that person will not have the accomplishments that GS has had. Definitely not initially. GS was here 5 years ago. Jersey hs kids will definitely know who he is. They grew up watching him.
GS was recruiting well in a left for dead conference. In the B1G, he is a potential monster.
