Sorry, 2 National championships makes up for the aggregate of all other underperformances and then sum.
Why is Seton Hall so good?
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Sorry, 2 National championships makes up for the aggregate of all other underperformances and then sum.
That’s a ridiculous way to assess a coach. For what it’s worth, the Wisconsin 8 seed was a complete mess up by the committee. And the loss to UConn in the second round was to the eventual Nation Champion
I don't know, most of the people I know that graduated SHU have great jobs and careers.
Hawk, you are young? Powell is the only returning starter. Only nzei leaves. Lots coming in. We are pretty young too.
Imo, ru made a big mistake when mulcahy deep sixed Gary. He would have turned you around. You had to fire Bannon and rice, but Gary was a mistake. A mistake most shu fans wanted us to emulate after the disaster of whitehead/carrington/Delgado et al frosh yr. Both of us were (are) in the 4-5 yr coach cycle. We didnt make a move. You gotta hope pike shows continued promise and gets enough time.
Imo, ru made a big mistake when mulcahy deep sixed Gary. He would have turned you around. You had to fire Bannon and rice, but Gary was a mistake. A mistake most shu fans wanted us to emulate after the disaster of whitehead/carrington/Delgado et al frosh yr. Both of us were (are) in the 4-5 yr coach cycle. We didnt make a move. You gotta hope pike shows continued promise and gets enough time.
I think Hobbs will give him time. Frankly I just want Pike to keep bringing in players. People don’t realize just how far behind we were from the competition. It’s even worse when you realize our best player, Sanders, left after Pike’s second year
It’s always “rich” hearing the elitism. Generally, feelings of superiority stem from an illusion.
Every sport (NFL, NBA,MLB,etc) judges success on championships. Everybody outside of SHU remembers Michigan won in 1989.
Typical hollow comment from a Rutgers nudnick. Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying anything. The timetable around here is measured in decades and generations.
No but, generally fan bases don't really care much about other teams. Let alone a team that has finished pretty high in the conference every year, sometimes I think we're spoiled as MD fans, but that's the sentiment with Maryland fans that he has ZERO motivational skills, his in game coaching is horrible, and teams play sloppy all the time. I mean if Rutgers fans are seeing that and call him out as the worst, then it's a big problem.
It's like me as a football plan complaining about Harbaugh at Michigan...it has to be pretty bad for the conference to pretty much take notice.
The reason Seton Hall's win is so big is because we RARELY lose at home to anyone, the fans just won't let it happen. SO again, shows you how bad Turgeon has been.
It doesn’t take a genius to recognize a team hasn’t reached its max potential. Umich is paying Harbaugh $7+ mill a year to coach. They’re not getting their monies worth. Not saying he is overrated or a bad coach, but you don’t have to pay a guy $7+ mill a year to do that a Umich. As for Turgeon, UMD is a solid program, but I remember the early 2000s UMD squads who went toe to toe with Duke and won a national championship. Now you guys are lucky to get a 4 seed in the tournament. Not hate at all, but UMD is better than that. And I don’t think RU fans noticing means it must be pretty bad. It’s just that you guys have history. Otherwise, we probably wouldn’t notice
Pretty good thread with only a few flame throwers. No love for SHU from me but I have to give them their due. Being a basketball first school probably does resonate with certain kids. There is no question that they have more success to sell than we do. Hopeful on Pike but do believe we need to start a move toward the middle of the pack in the conference no later than next year.
that's fine for casual folks that don't really pay attention, but if you want to honestly judge coaches than you should judge the entirety of their careers from their first season til their last.
I have no problems with Jay Wright. I think he's a great coach overall. But he has had some dreadful underperformances that I can't just pretend didn't happen. They are as much a part of his story as the 2016 and 2018 tournament runs. Let's not act like he's some coaching god.
But I will ask the same question once again. If you were filling an open position with any of the coaches in the Big10 or Big East tell me Jay Wright wouldn’t be at the top of your list.
Jay Wright has underachieved so badly he made the HOF ballot this year. The ncaa tournament is a crap shoot and frequently teams get upset. History remembers championships. He has won without the benefit of one and done players as well.
I don't think Watson was staying, he was fed up and want to go back to the mid west.
Nah. Guidos aren’t a protected class! But it is a funny irony to many of us that a Seton Hall undergrad and who knows maybe a commuter student directs ur athletics hopes. Must keep you wondering. Have a Merry Christmas Go Hobbs!!!
Turgeon should be FIRED. MD has has 2 HOF coaches in Lefty and Gary. How many programs can say that?
MD job has been said by Bilas and other coaches as a TOP 10 job by coaches. But Turgeon brought it down.
MD can do FAR FAR better. Turgeon is on clock..Tick Tock.
Here comes the flamethrower.....
Are we just going to ignore that SHU "cheated"??
Screw the "patience with Willard" posts.
Recruiting Rankings (per 247, couldnt find it on Rivals but I'm sure its similar)
2010 - 87
2011 - 48
2012 - outside top 150
2013 - 101
2014 - 17
Every year they were actually behind Rutgers, until 2014.
Hmmm....what changed in 2014? They hired assistants (3?) directly related to high level players as "package deals". I know everyone does it but lets not ignore what Williard did.
2014-2015 season they still sucked. 16-15 (6-12)
EVERYONE wanted him gone in 2015.
https://articles.nj.com/setonhall/i...lard_belongs_on_the_hot_seat_as_seton_hal.amp
Thats just one article. Just about every "hot seat" article prior to 2015 season had Williard on it.
I lurked on the SHU board around then. The reactions to keeping Williard were pretty funny:
"Think Small at Seton Hall"
"Pat Lyons is a secret agent for Rutgers/Providence - that is why he is keeping Williard."
The elite recruits finally put it together and they made their run to the 2016 BET championship.
Winning leads to better players and now they are off and running every year.
I'll end with this article about Whitehead and Tiny Morton caught up in the FBI probe.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...s-college-basketball-investigation/371518002/
Side note - I absolutely would be in favor of doing this as well. No questions asked.
Are we just going to ignore that SHU "cheated"??
Screw the "patience with Willard" posts.
Recruiting Rankings (per 247, couldnt find it on Rivals but I'm sure its similar)
2010 - 87
2011 - 48
2012 - outside top 150
2013 - 101
2014 - 17
Every year they were actually behind Rutgers, until 2014.
Hmmm....what changed in 2014? They hired assistants (3?) directly related to high level players as "package deals". I know everyone does it but lets not ignore what Williard did.
2014-2015 season they still sucked. 16-15 (6-12)
EVERYONE wanted him gone in 2015.
https://articles.nj.com/setonhall/i...lard_belongs_on_the_hot_seat_as_seton_hal.amp
Thats just one article. Just about every "hot seat" article prior to 2015 season had Williard on it.
I lurked on the SHU board around then. The reactions to keeping Williard were pretty funny:
"Think Small at Seton Hall"
"Pat Lyons is a secret agent for Rutgers/Providence - that is why he is keeping Williard."
The elite recruits finally put it together and they made their run to the 2016 BET championship.
Winning leads to better players and now they are off and running every year.
I'll end with this article about Whitehead and Tiny Morton caught up in the FBI probe.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...s-college-basketball-investigation/371518002/
Side note - I absolutely would be in favor of doing this as well. No questions asked.
Not really a flamethrower...This is all pretty accurate. Willard (and Lyons) rolled the dice with Tiny and Whitehead and it jumpstarted the program. Maybe Pike doesn’t have to do something that bold.
I don’t hate RU. I actually think RU (Big10) and SHU (BE) found the perfect landing places to prosper. It gave a boost to recruiting for sure. Hey, two of my best friends are Ex-RU FB guys that taught me where to hide a cooler of beer under a pine tree on the second hole of the RU golf course. More fun when both programs have something to play for.
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I think it would be awesome if both teams were top 25 programs. The annual rivalry game would be incredible.
I think being in the BE helps Seton Hall more than being in the Big Ten helps RU personally.
Merry Xmas to all.
Go Irish !
I am 68. If you fire Hobbs and pike I wll go to my grave before you are any good again.
Merry Christmas...take a pill...take a walk on the beach at the shore.
Maybe right now but hard to tell in the long run. Unfortunately, the division alignment makes it a steeper climb with OSU, UM and MSU in front of you, but Pike just needs to find that niche of kids that will be drawn to the program and what it has to offer.
Probably the smartest thing Willard did was to attract kids with international backgrounds that want to have a “second home” and access to others of similar national or ethnic groups, which the NYC area offers. Had a little limited early success with Canarias, but with Sandro and Skinn’s connections the quality of international player is improving. No reason Pike can’t do the same as part of the strategy.
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I would say we definitely are doing that. At least as of last year, RU had a very international team. A program like RU needs kids who don't know RU from a hole in the wall, not kids who grew up absorbing RU's ineptitude year after year. Then you just end up with the local kids who can't shoot.
Good luck to SHU, there's enough to go around. And going back to the old unis was a power move.
They are a protected group, they protect themselves, was a time if you called them a guinea, whop, or guido you would wind up in the trunk of a car.
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can you stop kidding yourself--RU is infinitely better off than SHU by being in the BIG-- UNBELIEVABLE academic institutions that provide deserved status for past and future students, that dwarf SHU in size and statue ,and by the way multiple (like 35) millions more in league $ annually--BE is basically a cyo basketball league--good for them but power 5 all sports schools are leagues apart in recognition and status
I was speaking to basketball which is what the board is.
Kids in this area relate more to the BE and playing games in the Garden than playing in West Lafayette , Iowa City or East Lansing IMO.
I haven't seen anything tangible as of yet that shows me that RU Hoops is in a better place since joining the Big Ten.
They have a better coach that has translated into getting better on the floor and they are getting better players but the bar was so low that I just don't feel like that is much of a measuring stick.
The reality at this point is they are in the same spot they were when they were in the Big East.
The BE continues to flourish as they draw very well in their tournament and have won the last 2 National Championships.
If SHU lost the BE they would be about as relevant as Rider or Princeton.
They continue to recruit well and the Program is very relevant.
All this tells me is you and your friends were losers who couldn't get invited to the house parties and had no other friends for "going out" because if you weren't in SO that meant you were in Hoboken or more likely Manhattan...not New Brunswick.
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House parties where? Lol. I went to Rutgers. Outside of going to hall games and camps growing up, place is known to be dead. Straight up
