Why would a recruit even consider seton hall over RU

[AshSaturday]

Yet we send dozens of kids to both each year.

I would bet by virtue of location that most metropolitian schools have alum at most major wall Street firms. Is just as much who you know and who you bl*w than intelligence. I would think most career centers have some sort of relationship.

Another reason it could be argued for a small school vs RU is internships. Say a Wall Street firm wants to hire 5 students from Seton Hall and RU. That same internship is likely MUCH more competitive to get out of RU since RU has a larger student population. Then the pool of the application at RU is likely stronger because of IN GENERAL, a better quality if student to begin with.

If I had to go back and had my choice of colleges I'd attend a school with a solid alumni list they could provide in the application process (in my experience Dook had lost its accreditation for my program but had an incredible list of alumni you could call pre admission. Else a school with a built in internship to the program.

 

[JimmyCryan]

I'm waiting to find out if Ash is now a cheap-suit lawyer, or a quack veterinarian. Can't wait to hear the rest of his life's story.

 

[JimmyCryan]

oh JHC I know I'm going to invite the SHOE trolls but oh well it's our fracking board.

Look, are there people who would prefer to go to SHOE over RU? of course.
Are there people who would rather drive a Hyundai over a Mercedes? of course

But lets stop being PC. By most objective measures RU is a better school than SHOE. PERIOD . I don't want to hear what qualities they have. Line 'em up side by side, we win--by a lot.

I have degrees from both SHU and RU. You're living proof that you can't teach class at University. I hesitate to compare SHU and RU because they really are apples and oranges, but SH Law is already superior to RU, and I'm certain that the new medical school will rank similarly, once up and running.

Two of my closest friends from SHU are now orthopedic surgeons, and both make ungodly sums of money; more importantly, they would never denigrate the education of another, in fact I don't think it would be in the mind of either man to assume that someone who makes less money, or has a less prestigious job, must have had an inferior education. You would do well to be less ignorant and arrogant, particularly if you really graduated in 92 -- it's not a good look.

 

[RUBigFrank]

I have heard that also but someone posted above that RU has revamped the tours. I give tours to friends and friends of friends. I start at Old Queens and walk towards Alexander Library then back. The new buildings on CA are awesome. I then take them over to Busch and then Live and do Cook / Douglas last. I make sure to ask them what school that are trying to get in so I can stress that campus that they will spend most of their time.

With the RU tours they do not have the luxury of personalizing their tours. Saying that I can see why kids or parents think we are huge.

I had two kids graduate RU. One in SOE and once freshman year was over he had most classes on one campus. My daughter graduated from Management and Labor Relations and most of her classes were at Livi. I try to explain to prospective students and parents that in reality you can get the feeling of a small campus but all the of the positives of a major research University.

As you know the on campus from the Orientation Center near the stadium is simply awful. My daughter did the tour and did not want to go to RU. After enrolling and graduating from the Rutgers Business school - her experience was tremendous. In her words - the university is comprised of local schools within that uniquely give you a small school feel .

 

[scarletrat]

These comparisons are pointless and not grounded in reality. I want RU to be compared to the UVas, UNCs and other big state Us--that is what I want RU to be compared to. Univ of MD at College Park and Penn State are our competition. Shoe is a very different school and situation--if I was comparing going to Montclair State or Kean, or I wanted to go to a small private school in the area, then compare those with shoe. We are just so dissimilar.

I had the small school feel by going to College of Pharmacy (now Mario school of Pharmacy) but yet the reach and breadth of a state U. Value for money is also there. Life after school is more like what you would see at a state U. I went to a small HS in NJ and that's not life.

I hope for RU to play a good game this week. Shoe has a good team and good college players--selling themselves to Tiny seems to have them now in recruiting after the fact with players like Powell (not a 1 time thing). But the game home to Penn State next week is far, far, far more important and how I will judge where we are. I am very happy with where we are given what the last couple of seasons have been like but I don't know how many games we can win and be competitive in the B1G.

 

[rubaseball78]

As mentioned before, we've revamped our tour in order to try and mitigate that, and survey results are positive. When did you hear that from your sister?

It sounds like the tours were revamped after we went through. We gave someone I know involved with recruiting some feedback based on our experiences at other schools.

 

[rubaseball78]

Basketball is the only sport Seton hall has in my opinion.

Used to be a very good baseball school.

 

[NickyNewark51]

My granddaughter and I went on visits to 4 different schools. Rutgers, Rider, Seton Hall and Monmouth. She wanted to choose Rutgers because of me but I insisted she take all 4 visits. The worst visit was Rutgers. Each class was approximately 70 students per class, bus ride to each class, just too big. She has since graduated Monmouth and she preferred the small quiet campus feel. Nothing wrong with that...

I always liked Monmouth for whatever reason...then again I love playing the ponies !!lol..

 

[KeithK7624]

Don't want to call you out on this post but some of your statements are incorrect in the way you said them. "Each" class is not 70 students. "Some" classes are large and are mostly the 100 level classes. But almost all schools have large freshman and 100 level classes. I have no doubt Monmouth did. Once they are in their major class sizes are not large. Statistics below.

Rutgers has changed the way classes are scheduled. The thought that "bus ride to each class" is also wrong. If you are a SEB's student 80% of your classes are on Cook , engineering ,Busch. Labor Relations on Livi etc. My son's junior and senior year he told me most of his classes were in two buildings. do you need to get on busses for some electives and freshman year, yes, but not "bus ride to each class" .

Rutgers is big but each campus is just like one small college. Each campus has their own student center, dining hall, library,rec center etc.

100% understand if a student wants a small school feel but the three schools you mentioned are basically commuter schools and especially on the weekends. Last but not least those schools do not even come close to RU in academics.

Everyone has their own taste and opinion and I am glad she had fun at Monmouth.

I think I had maybe 5 total classes off of college ave

 

[AshSaturday]

If Seton Hall can get to the National Championship game and lose by 2 points (arguably got raked on a call costing them all) Rutgers is capable of a National Championship in the long run. Today Pikiell started the process with the type of Recruit who can get us there!

 

[bowlgoal]

I always thought the same but the over the last 20 years, the RAC has fallen apart; we've been to zero post season in a very long time and the the last NCAA appearance was in 1991. Seton Hall has the Rock, they've been winning and they are a basketball only school so the players are treated very well.

Now, fast forward to the signing of Steve and the addition of Hobbs and what's changed? EVERYTHING! Now we should be able to blow the doors off of the Big East programs and take our share of the best talent in the NJ/NY area. The story changed just like that. Poof. And in my opinion, in 2-3 years; you'll never hear of SHU ever again.

 

[jcalz88]

I always thought the same but the over the last 20 years, the RAC has fallen apart; we've been to zero post season in a very long time and the the last NCAA appearance was in 1991. Seton Hall has the Rock, they've been winning and they are a basketball only school so the players are treated very well.

Now, fast forward to the signing of Steve and the addition of Hobbs and what's changed? EVERYTHING! Now we should be able to blow the doors off of the Big East programs and take our share of the best talent in the NJ/NY area. The story changed just like that. Poof. And in my opinion, in 2-3 years; you'll never hear of SHU ever again.

It takes many programs 4-5 years to really come back to form. You think in 3 years RU basketball will be blowing out schools in the top basketball conf in the country? Listen I hope RU gets good because good NJ basketball is good for all. But I believe you are being a little delusional Seton Hall is going no where...

 

[JimmyCryan]

Now, fast forward to the signing of Steve and the addition of Hobbs and what's changed? EVERYTHING! Now we should be able to blow the doors off of the Big East programs and take our share of the best talent in the NJ/NY area. The story changed just like that. Poof. And in my opinion, in 2-3 years; you'll never hear of SHU ever again.

You must be new around here. That has been the wet dream for 20 years. No, but really, it's going to happen! Because they hired a career America East coach? Thanks for the laugh.

 

[AshSaturday]

I don't think Seton Hall is going away. The have a good coach and are located in an area flush with talent -and exposure. HOWEVER given all Rutgers now has to offer there's no reason Rutgers shouldn't be better most years-and cut into the recruiting of local teams-even Villanova.

Before Rutgers turned down (3X) the Big East Rutgers was the #2 or #3 top hoops school in the NE and beat Seton Hall 25-30 points every year. Rutgers has given many schools a 30 year head start/break but now just about all is in place for Rutgers to be a top NCAA Tourney caliber program again.

 

[bowlgoal]

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You must be new around here. That has been the wet dream for 20 years. No, but really, it's going to happen! Because they hired a career America East coach? Thanks for the laugh.

Sorry man. I don't like Seton Hall about as much as I don't like State Penn or Syracuse. Maybe you are a Pirate fan and I'm far from being new at 46 years old. You can have your opinion and laugh all you want but I believe Rutgers will overtake both SHU and St. Johns.

Are they shutting down? No; their fans will still be around; most unshowered and wreaking of alcohol and smokes but I believe we found the right coach to lure the better athletes to the Banks. GO RU!

 

[AshCatchEm]

You must be new around here. That has been the wet dream for 20 years. No, but really, it's going to happen! Because they hired a career America East coach? Thanks for the laugh.

It's because we are going to start making 50 million a year starting in 2021 thanks to big ten membership. Maybe you weren't in on that information..So surprise?

Enjoy the peanuts you will make in the big East. In the next 10-20 years we are going to leave your program in the dust like a steaming pile of dogturd while we upgrade our facilities and salaries with the big ten money.

Money talks..That's why you're just all hot air. Must really suck being left behind.

 

[jcalz88]

If being in the best Basketball Conf in the country is being left behind then sign me up!!! All things are relative you have always had more $$$ then a school like SHU has.

It is an Arms Race

 

[AshCatchEm]

If being in the best Basketball Conf in the country is being left behind then sign me up!!! All things are relative you have always had more $$$ then a school like SHU has.

It is an Arms Race

we are currently making about 16 mil a year from the big ten (and our increase in income just started four years ago). if you cannot see how the 50 mil PER year starting in 2021 is going to make a difference, when we have barely put any money into our basketball program over the last twenty years due to debt, im sorry, but you are an idiot.

its like you think making minimum wage vs being unemployed is the same as being a doctor vs being unemployed. it is a very simplistic view of the world...and pretty dumb. it is not "all relative"...im not sure what gasleak you are exposed to but please reach fresh air immediately.

 

[jcalz88]

we are currently making about 16 mil a year from the big ten (and our increase in income just started five years ago). if you cannot see how the 50 mil PER year starting in 2021 is going to make a difference, when we have barely put any money into our basketball program over the last twenty years due to debt, im sorry, but you are an idiot.

its like you think making minimum wage vs being unemployed is the same as being a doctor vs being unemployed. it is a very simplistic view of the world...and pretty dumb. it is not "all relative"...im not sure what gasleak you are exposed to but please reach fresh air immediately.

I get how it works, I run a business it makes more then $50 mil a year ;). What I am saying is your costs are going to go up a ton especially on the Football side to try and compete with the Michigan's of the world. I would love to see how much will be invested into the basketball program. Hobbs will no doubt about it make sure $$ goes their but just how much none of us know. It will take time even if Pikell knocks it out of the park this season. Rome was not built in a day and in RU basketball case you are still waiting decades later.

WHEN and IF your team makes it big then we can all talk. Until then you are looked at as the worst Div 1 program in the country, and this can not be argues. Right now Seton Hall is looked at as the # 29th in the country. After finishing in the top 15 last year. We can talk dreams and the future all we want but all we know now is the present.

 

[bowlgoal]

I get how it works, I run a business it makes more then $50 mil a year ;). What I am saying is your costs are going to go up a ton especially on the Football side to try and compete with the Michigan's of the world. I would love to see how much will be invested into the basketball program. Hobbs will no doubt about it make sure $$ goes their but just how much none of us know. It will take time even if Pikell knocks it out of the park this season. Rome was not built in a day and in RU basketball case you are still waiting decades later.

WHEN and IF your team makes it big then we can all talk. Until then you are looked at as the worst Div 1 program in the country, and this can not be argues. Right now Seton Hall is looked at as the # 29th in the country. After finishing in the top 15 last year. We can talk dreams and the future all we want but all we know now is the present.

Why you are posting anything on a Rutgers site? I have never been on your board and have no reason to do so? This is the exact reason I despise everything about SHU. There's something wrong with spending time worrying about what Rutgers may or may not do with the windfall of money we get in the best conference in college sports. A ton will go to football but Hobbs will also invest plenty in hoops. I guess the Big Mama commit must have struck a nerve today. Yes, our program has been to hell and back over the last number of years. But the worm is turning and it's gaining momentum. Go rain on someone else's parade. Our party is just getting started. And if you beat us on Friday, enjoy it because that's not going to stick for much longer. Go have a drink and a smoke.

 

[jcalz88]

No that commit does not worry me one bit. We have gotten kids like this for years.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I get how it works, I run a business it makes more then $50 mil a year ;). What I am saying is your costs are going to go up a ton especially on the Football side to try and compete with the Michigan's of the world. I would love to see how much will be invested into the basketball program. Hobbs will no doubt about it make sure $$ goes their but just how much none of us know. It will take time even if Pikell knocks it out of the park this season. Rome was not built in a day and in RU basketball case you are still waiting decades later.

WHEN and IF your team makes it big then we can all talk. Until then you are looked at as the worst Div 1 program in the country, and this can not be argues. Right now Seton Hall is looked at as the # 29th in the country. After finishing in the top 15 last year. We can talk dreams and the future all we want but all we know now is the present.

Unreal how an insignificant school in a inferior conference thinks he can school a BIG Team on any level of the totem pole? Outside Essex county who is SHU??Sacred Heart??..lol...

 

[jcalz88]

Unreal how an insignificant school in a inferior conference thinks he can school a BIG Team on any level of the totem pole? Outside Essex county who is SHU??Sacred Heart??..lol...

As long as the committee along with pollsters know who we are thats all that maters. O ya the top recruits in our area know about us as well, not sure if you saw it but we won the Big East last year and made the NCAA tournament.... When was your last time?

 

[bowlgoal]

No that commit does not worry me one bit. We have gotten kids like this for years.

You are correct. But we haven't so that's where the optimism comes into play. A recruit like Big Mama can spur other recruits and next thing you know; we have a Top 25 program. I don't have any problem saying that we have sucked now for many years. When I went to RU, i saw two NCCA and two NIT bids and I thought that was just going to happen consistently. It's been as bad as it could be after that with just a few NIT's. You have had good teams an I'm sure it's been great but we finally got the right coach. I'm sure of it.

 

[jcalz88]

I hope you guys did, in the long run both of our programs being good helps.

Either way wish yall the best on Friday but I expect a blowout. Good luck!

 

[AshCatchEm]

I get how it works, I run a business it makes more then $50 mil a year ;). What I am saying is your costs are going to go up a ton especially on the Football side to try and compete with the Michigan's of the world. I would love to see how much will be invested into the basketball program. Hobbs will no doubt about it make sure $$ goes their but just how much none of us know. It will take time even if Pikell knocks it out of the park this season. Rome was not built in a day and in RU basketball case you are still waiting decades later.

WHEN and IF your team makes it big then we can all talk. Until then you are looked at as the worst Div 1 program in the country, and this can not be argues. Right now Seton Hall is looked at as the # 29th in the country. After finishing in the top 15 last year. We can talk dreams and the future all we want but all we know now is the present.

hes starting with 100 mil for a basketball facility before we are even rolling in the big ten money. if you think it takes decades to turn around a basketball program that comes down to 7-12 kids you are clueless. we just landed a 4 star center today. hows landing big men going for SHU right now?

just because your cracked out opinion puts us as the worst d1 program doesn't make it true. if you think it cant be argued, its just cause you wont listen. we're already turning the corner.

so yea...if you run your business thinking that making 50 mil a year forever (with potential for more) is "all relative" compared to making 8-16 mil a year for about 4 years, you are clueless and you are going to run that business into the ground. That kind of first grade reasoning is alarmingly ignorant....i'd be finding my first grader some extra tutoring. i truly feel bad for some of your workers if they have to deal with that train of thought.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

I'll bet some recruits will be at Friday's game.

A SHU alum I'm going to the game with told me he does not want to hear loud RU chants.

 

[jcalz88]

hes starting with 100 mil for a basketball facility before we are even rolling in the big ten money. if you think it takes decades to turn around a basketball program that comes down to 7-12 kids you are clueless. we just landed a 4 star center today. hows landing big men going for SHU right now?

just because your cracked out opinion puts us as the worst d1 program doesn't make it true. if you think it cant be argued, its just cause you wont listen. we're already turning the corner.

so yea...if you run your business thinking that making 50 mil a year forever (with potential for more) is "all relative" compared to making 8-16 mil a year for about 4 years, you are clueless and you are going to run that business into the ground. That kind of first grade reasoning is alarmingly ignorant....i'd be finding my first grader some extra tutoring. i truly feel bad for some of your workers if they have to deal with that train of thought.

Funny I never said any of that to you at all, you are grasping at straws. You turned the corner because you are 11-1 against the 350th worst schedule in the nation that is a fact my friend. You may think you turned the corner, but come friday night we are going to stuff you into a dumpster and light it on fire. Hey if your coming to the game Ill buy ya a beer and you can come down to my court side seats and watch the bloodbath up close.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Funny I never said any of that to you at all, you are grasping at straws. You turned the corner because you are 11-1 against the 350th worst schedule in the nation that is a fact my friend. You may think you turned the corner, but come friday night we are going to stuff you into a dumpster and light it on fire. Hey if your coming to the game Ill buy ya a beer and you can come down to my court side seats and watch the bloodbath up close.

So what if we lose this game? We return everyone on this roster next year minus one grad transfer and we are in the top three for offensive rebounds in the nation. You have a good roster..This year. That's nice. It doesn't change the fact that our new facilities being built right now will put us ahead of yours, which was basically the one thing you had separating us from you, and for years to come it will take you 25 years to make from your conference what we will make in one year. Good luck with fading into an afterthought in your home state when compared to the state university rolling in big ten cash.

Money talks, which is why we will make giant strides in the next ten years while you wonder how to upgrade past what you already have and why kids won't consider your school over ours. It's gonna be damn funny to watch.

 

[jcalz88]

You realize you have always had wayyy more money then us......

Yes you are in the top 4 for rebounds but look who you played. I honestly feeling like I am talking to a five year old here. When you play THE WORST SCHEDULE IN THE COUNTRY your stats are inflated.

Do you know what we return next year, 4 starters who have all won a BET along with at that points two NCAA visits. We also play in the best conf in the country..

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

You realize you have always had wayyy more money then us......

Yes you are in the top 4 for rebounds but look who you played. I honestly feeling like I am talking to a five year old here. When you play THE WORST SCHEDULE IN THE COUNTRY your stats are inflated.

Do you know what we return next year, 4 starters who have all won a BET along with at that points two NCAA visits. We also play in the best conf in the country..

A Jcalz sighting.....this is going to be fun.....!!

good luck on Friday night sir....RU (the school some love to hate the most), is on the way back.....Friday isn't the end, it's the beginning of the rebuild and SHU had a three year head start and Eddie Jordan to compare to, but now we are an improving roster and staff. The free lunch for SHU has essentially ended....

The entire planet knows it was a matter of time before RU got things ironed out....there will be LOTS of Red at the Rock and the recruits are going to notice....

 

[jcalz88]

Whatever you need to tell yourself

 

[AreYouNUTS]

It certainly is NOT for the chicas. [sick]

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Rah Rah-don't know how we got here but I don't even know how one takes a "good" college tour at RU. I would think I'd need at least two. One for the general landmarks/Downtown NB? and one for my school (Cook). Frankly I graduated pre 86-when pretty much all the colleges had their own curriculum. In 5 years I only had one class on College Ave and one on Livingston. The rest were Cook-Douglass.

Frankly due to a weed-out pre Med pre vet curriculum at Cook there were only a handful of places on those campuses I utilized.
1) Academic buildings on Cook and Douglass (maybe a stressor on Martin hall for a few seconds where Waksman? discovered Streptomyycin?
2) Dorms and apartments
3) ***Douglass Library
4) Cook-Douglass Coop bookstore
5) Dining Halls
6) Post Office/Laundry
7) Cook Gym (one semester of intramural hoops)
8) Cow barns (showed a cow once for Ag Field Day)
***This was pretty much 100% of my time at Cook and I commuted my last 3 years.
9) Douglass Student Center-where I pretty much ate for 4 years

Frankly what campus tours I DID have were a disaster-and I don't even remember the ones I had.
At Franklin and Marshall-where ironically I didn't get into a very competitive pre Med/vet program because of a lack of experience I remember two bad things:
1) The 1st 5 minutes of the tour was taken up by a preppy frat type who wanted to know where he was going to work out. I thought "what a non-serious a**hole. ironically after college (and graduate summer) I became a gym rat.
2) Not sure on the tour or not but I visited the dining hall and was shocked. I spotted the one girl from my high school (kind of hot but no reputation as an egghead from what little I knew) seemingly p*ss drunk or stoned at a cafeteria table with 5-6 guys hovering around her like they were ready to gangbang her when she passed out in 5 minutes. She saw me, seemed to recognize me and was half horrified. Not as much as myself.

3) At Muhlenberg-I remember visiting a dorm where (at 11AM on a Saturday) pretty much 100% of the dorm was asleep hung over. Again, not too favorable an impression
but later my own hours have essentially ruined my life. What woukld have convinced me more than else (and it almost did) was my meeting with the admssions officer-who had attended my high school.

I think mentally I was verbaled to RU from the start and my campus visits helped me confirm Cook at my choice. Turned out I should have researched Vet school admissons better (tough pre college) and avoided RU altogether for pre-Vet studies (bad school as well as state for such). Was pretty much a disaster but I had some good profs in some of my non major classes who wrote me some good recommendations for grad school. During my 5th year (needed to bring up grades and wanted/needed? more business classes) I was accepted at my top two choices Carolina and Penn State. Again disasterous time with the academic program but a beautiful school and college town.

With small schools/one campus/historic schools its much easier. At UNC (Chapel Hill) there were many historical buildings and landmarks-amongst else. A top campus though. Frankly though I don't think I ever visited any sans with my family (not even Carmichael auditorium if only to work out) as it had been essentially replaced by the Dean Smith Center.

Good work, and I have to say, a "weed-out" would attract a lot of prospective students. And Cook is gorgeous. ;-)

 

[RutgersRaRa]

As mentioned before, we've revamped our tour in order to try and mitigate that, and survey results are positive. When did you hear that from your sister?

Four years ago. She gave them some feedback which they may have taken to heart. When I found out that a cashier at one of the grocery stores I went to almost every day was thinking of transferring from mean to RU, I helped her with her application essay (not the substance, but the grammar, etc.), and gave her and her mother a personal tour of the campus. We drove around all the campuses, went into classrooms on College Avenue (it was Saturday, so they were empty but open), the stadium, Alexander Library, etc. Then we went to Scarlet Fever and got her some stuff once she got accepted. Took five hours, but that's not possible for the tour to pull off with everyone looking at RU.

 

[Fzacsattac]

Too funny!! I have one more semester and will be a graduate of Rutgers. I have my Undergraduate from Seton Hall. I prefer the smaller classes at SHU but both schools have pros and cons. It all depends on what you want and get out of your experience. In my Masters program, a group of us get together regularly and take in the college experience. Others don't and they miss out on certain aspects of Rutgers.

I am sure most who are questioning how Seton Hall could be better have probably never taken the time to look at all aspects of the college (not just sports). ie registration process, ease of parking, bookstore, cafeterias, etc.

 

[NickyNewark51]

As long as the committee along with pollsters know who we are thats all that maters. O ya the top recruits in our area know about us as well, not sure if you saw it but we won the Big East last year and made the NCAA tournament.... When was your last time?

No more Luther Weights for you....you're downtrending...let's face it...your No Nova...or even St John's....be grateful for your run...I was in my prime when RU was a final 4 team...our chances are trending up...yours?? Well be thankful for what you had...

 

[NickyNewark51]

I hope you guys did, in the long run both of our programs being good helps.

Either way wish yall the best on Friday but I expect a blowout. Good luck!

Yes RU 74 SH 63

 

[NickyNewark51]

No that commit does not worry me one bit. We have gotten kids like this for years.

Yeah who...name a 4 star 7 footer since Looser Wright?

 

[BigRnj]

Unreal how an insignificant school in a inferior conference thinks he can school a BIG Team on any level of the totem pole? Outside Essex county who is SHU??Sacred Heart??..lol...

SMH, I always thought SHU meant Sh*t Head U... you learn something everyday. :D