Williams was 1-for-9 at the time, so ...
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he was forced out by his out of control selfish shot selection. Although maybe that is the time to put him in as an option.
Sanders inbounding the ball was a bizarre choice IMO. Sure, he is the best passer on the team and you need to get it in - but he's also the guy we need to have receiving the ball in that situation.
Williams could've put that on the floor and driven to the hoop. Good chance he could draw a foul and make at least one FT to extend the game, or hit an easier shot for the W.
Williams could've put that on the floor and driven to the hoop. Good chance he could draw a foul and make at least one FT to extend the game, or hit an easier shot for the W.
There were 4 seconds left and he got an open shot. That he missed it is not on the coach. It's not like we have other options.
Eddie post game was really angry at Mike for not knowing he has 4 seconds to shoot, he rushed it like he had one second, he said its young player mistake and they better learn, so it's safe to say the play was drawn up and run right, but makes u wonder why we want a guy who struggled all night shooting our final shot...
no defense of that play and who took it. Just bad bad bad..we had two chances after two timeout and ran weak plays
It does seem sometime based on the comments afterwards that certain details are not articulated in the huddle. Like--ok, if the ball comes to you understand you have 4 seconds, not alot of time but enough to put it on the floor if you see an opening and remember, it's double bonus so if you can force contact, you get two. I suspect they were all of the mindset that if they received the ball and had any room, take the immediate shot.
Despite some uncharacteristically bad play during the game, Freeman should definitely have been in on the last play to give RU a real inside scoring option. He's our leading scorer and probably our only legit threat to score in the paint. Eddie's substitutions throughout the game are head-scratchers. For example, Grier looked great to start the second half, but Eddie yanked him after about 6 minutes and did not put him back out there until the last 3 minutes or so. He also needs to let someone else run the offense when Corey gets a blow. Daniels is NOT the answer. The offense craters when his me-first, dribble to the rim against triple coverage play takes over.
Freeman was hurt. Daniels is an answer. Hopefully he gets the message Jordan is sending.
Players need to take accountability with the clock and game situations. Williams was in the game for the final seven minutes, he has to know how much time is left on the clock and what he can do with that four seconds upon catching. Play call and decision to have him shoot it is on Eddie, but Williams has to be smart enough to know what he can do with four seconds...the we are young excuse runs out fast
EJ's explanation:: I think it's reasonable.
“We wanted a corner shot from Omari (Grier) off a back screen, or a Mike Williams flair on the strong side,” Jordan said. “Mike Williams was open, Corey made the right pass. Mike’s a sophomore; if he’s a junior or senior he knows the clock in his head. He had four seconds to release the ball. He shot it in like half a second. That’s what young players will do.”
Afterward, Sanders was asked if he wanted that shot.
“I wanted the shot, but coach explained it to me,” he said. “I’ve go to make this read for our team, being the point guard---make the read to see how we could get the open shot. That shot just didn’t go down.”
From Carino with link to the story
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2015/11/30/rutgers-stumbles-late-falls-wake-forest/76304838/
“We wanted a corner shot from Omari (Grier) off a back screen, or a Mike Williams flair on the strong side,” Jordan said. “Mike Williams was open, Corey made the right pass. Mike’s a sophomore; if he’s a junior or senior he knows the clock in his head. He had four seconds to release the ball. He shot it in like half a second. That’s what young players will do.”
Afterward, Sanders was asked if he wanted that shot.
“I wanted the shot, but coach explained it to me,” he said. “I’ve go to make this read for our team, being the point guard---make the read to see how we could get the open shot. That shot just didn’t go down.”
From Carino with link to the story
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2015/11/30/rutgers-stumbles-late-falls-wake-forest/76304838/
"He had four seconds to release the ball. He shot it in like half a second. That’s what young players will do.”
JMD -- uh, does Eddie understand that the guys on St. John's and Wake that made play after play after play are frosh and sophs. This isn't the 76ers against the Spurs. Why do young players on other teams understand the situations and perform under pressure while RU kids crumble again and again? I thought that all those losses last year in the B1G were supposed to be the learning experiences for the likes of Williams, Foreman and Daniels?
So juniors and seniors make that play? Hey, how about that veteran leadership? So what's Eddie's excuse for the trainwreck that is a 5th year senior named Daniels? And which plays did another 5th year senior, Lewis, make down the stretch that I missed? Lewis was a Top 150 recruit and Daniels was a Top 50 shooting guard. Over-rated in high school or under-coached since then?
We're not talking Georgetown and Duke. SJU and Wake are not good teams and are as young or younger than RU. I'd say SJU has less talent than RU and Wake more. And that's not saying much. But yes, I'll be pulling for a win on Saturday. Yeah, I bitch on this board, but I only cheer at the RAC.
JMD -- uh, does Eddie understand that the guys on St. John's and Wake that made play after play after play are frosh and sophs. This isn't the 76ers against the Spurs. Why do young players on other teams understand the situations and perform under pressure while RU kids crumble again and again? I thought that all those losses last year in the B1G were supposed to be the learning experiences for the likes of Williams, Foreman and Daniels?
So juniors and seniors make that play? Hey, how about that veteran leadership? So what's Eddie's excuse for the trainwreck that is a 5th year senior named Daniels? And which plays did another 5th year senior, Lewis, make down the stretch that I missed? Lewis was a Top 150 recruit and Daniels was a Top 50 shooting guard. Over-rated in high school or under-coached since then?
We're not talking Georgetown and Duke. SJU and Wake are not good teams and are as young or younger than RU. I'd say SJU has less talent than RU and Wake more. And that's not saying much. But yes, I'll be pulling for a win on Saturday. Yeah, I bitch on this board, but I only cheer at the RAC.
We've seen this with Eddie now for 3 years. It doesn't appear that Eddie pays attention to the minute details. Any well coached team will have the HC or the assistants (I know they can't talk--part of the problem IMO) let all of the players know their options, how many fouls and what the damn time on the clock is left. The excuse that Williams is still young is BS. Williams is a sophomore. Wake Forest's freshmen showed more composure out there than anyone on our team.
78 - Uh, I should have explicitly referred to the fact that everyone was complaining that EJ drew up the play for Williams when the primary option was Grier. Also he had Sanders inbound because he's our best passer. Lot's of different strategies to employ and this didn't work out for RU. Was it the optimal strategy - perhaps if Grier gets the ball and makes the shot - or Williams doesn't rush the shot.
Regarding the comment about Williams and the time left - I can't believe that the time wasn't mentioned in the huddle. I think EJ was pissed that Williams took a rushed shot.
Listen, I don't know if EJ is telling the truth and frankly if Mike was the primary - I'm fine with that. But the problem is the options are extremely limited and that's on EJ for his recruiting.
Really - is there someone on the team who you would rather take the last shot? Maybe Corey? Freeman was bad last night. Daniels, Foreman, Lewis, Laurent. Goode needs a lot of space to get a shot off.
Who am I missing?
Really - is there someone on the team who you would rather take the last shot? Maybe Corey? Freeman was bad last night. Daniels, Foreman, Lewis, Laurent. Goode needs a lot of space to get a shot off.
Who am I missing?
When you need to build an ENTIRE roster in two years your options are going to be limited. Corey is the CLEARLY the guy I want in bounding the ball as it NEEDS to get to the right spot with under 5 seconds left. Without Freeman in there Williams is your guy. Just the way it is. Whether he was 1-9 or 8-9 without Freeman available he is the player taking that shot.
Maybe it goes in when he is a Junior or maybe he sees the play to the basket. Maybe there are more options next year as kids like Laurent mature, Nigel is available, Foreman matures, etc. But on 11-30-2015 when EVERY player on this roster wasn't here two years ago, Williams is the guy taking that shot.
Maybe it goes in when he is a Junior or maybe he sees the play to the basket. Maybe there are more options next year as kids like Laurent mature, Nigel is available, Foreman matures, etc. But on 11-30-2015 when EVERY player on this roster wasn't here two years ago, Williams is the guy taking that shot.
