OT: UConn is good (!!WARNING!! Cam Spencer mention!!)
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Filled in a bit.
About 80-90% full lower level(??? I'm bad at this stuff).
My son just asked if we could start an "R U" chant.
He just earned himself extra ice cream.
Richmond is a confounding player. When he’s interested he’s like all American good.
Saw little to no screens for Cam tonight. Difference was that SHU defended him instead of leaving him free in the corner.
Spencer was locked up by SHU.....5 points....5 fouls.....no impact when their best player Clingan isn't in the game to draw double teams.......nice try
It was 1 game.
And nobody on UConn played particularly well tonight.
Full body of work…there’s a reason you only came into this thread right after tonight’s game.
Nice try :)
Go back and check Cam’s stats and he had about 10 games for us similar to tonight
It's not overly complicated......he's an average CBB player, surrounded on UConn by significantly better players. He is not an impact player at this level that can score without help from his teammates......the failure to see that after a full season at RU, is troubling that you cannot grasp this.
He was defended by Kansas and defended by Seton Hall and when he's guarded, he simply doesn't score. The Kansas game had Dickinson able to defend UConns big man and he went 2-12 when Kansas was able to focus on him.
Tonight, if you watched the game (which i know you didn't) you would have seen him actually being defended, without Clingan in the game with foul trouble in the 1st half and missing most of the 2nd half with a rolled ankle.
He had ample opportunity tonight, without Clingan in the game and others not scoring for UConn as a senior or 5th year senior, to actually go get the basketball, attempt to score or try to get to the FT line.....he did very little to nothing except provide spacing by standing in the corners, so his teammates had space to drive.......and Kadary Richmond from SHU, took him to school most of the night.
But, you will parrot stats and shooting percentages blindly.....he is not a go to player, last year showed that over 30+ RU games. It's water under the bridge, only a fool would watch Spencer and call him an impact player, when it's crystal clear, he is 100% reliant on his teammates to score.....
It's amazing that you see this, I see this but some RU fans live in fantasy land.
Why'd a good coach like Hurley waste NIL money on an "average CBB player"? He should have asked your opinion first I guess.
I don’t think hawks far off here, but that doesn’t diminish the fact that Spencer is better than the current version of Simpson, Griffiths, and Williams.
Stop making $hit up.
Thats not even close to true - he had 5 total games where he scored less than 7 points in a game.
He scored over 13pts a game and had 2 steals a game. He shot over 43% from beyond the arc and 89% from the line.
He hit 2 game winning shots for us last year.
Are you another genius who thinks we’re a better team without him?
I stopped reading Hawk’s post when he called Cam average in the first line of his post.
Is Cam inconsistent? Yeah.
Average? Lol
I am not doubting you that he had some great games, just many real bad ones too. In 9 games he shot 16-71 for a 23% shooting percentage
NJHAWK still thinks Simpson is and will be a better player than Cam because he can dribble past someone…there’s more to the game than speed and creating your own shot. Hawk doesn’t see what else Cam does on the court, pay attention to his assists, steals, deflections, and rebounds for a guard in addition to his outrageous shooting percentage.
Cam Spencer from 3pt 1 year at Rutgers 72-166 43.4%
11 games
Wake Forest(19-14) 2-2
Minnesota(9-22) 3-3
Minnesota(9-22) 2-2
Northwestern(22-12) 6-7
Coppin St(9-23) 5-7
C.Conn St(10-22) 4-6
Columbia(7-22) 3-5
Wisconsin(20-15) 6-10
Rider(16-14) 4-7
Hofstra(25-10) 6-11
Sacred Heart (16-17) 3-6
Total(11 games) 3pt 44-66 66.7%
Wake, NW, Wisconsin and Hofstra being the only good teams, only 1 vs a NCAA tournament team
Other 23 Rutgers games Cam 3pt 28-100 28%
11 games
Wake Forest(19-14) 2-2
Minnesota(9-22) 3-3
Minnesota(9-22) 2-2
Northwestern(22-12) 6-7
Coppin St(9-23) 5-7
C.Conn St(10-22) 4-6
Columbia(7-22) 3-5
Wisconsin(20-15) 6-10
Rider(16-14) 4-7
Hofstra(25-10) 6-11
Sacred Heart (16-17) 3-6
Total(11 games) 3pt 44-66 66.7%
Wake, NW, Wisconsin and Hofstra being the only good teams, only 1 vs a NCAA tournament team
Other 23 Rutgers games Cam 3pt 28-100 28%
Very interesting stats. Thanks for compiling them. He definitely was not as good as many posters think. He also padded a lot of his stats with free throws at the end of games. Yes he was a great free throw shooter but he rarely drew fouls. Most were intentional
I think RU would be better with Cam. He brings a sense of stability and maturity, who moves the ball and when on the court and is a heady player who generally seems to limit mistakes and can obviously hit the spot up 3 with consistency. That being said, some here are using him on Uconn to denigrate RU and the way we play.
Uconn did not run anything special for Cam. In the half court he rotates through, sometimes setting a screen for a teammate, sometimes not and generally ends up sitting out on the arc waiting for someone else to drive and dish out. Against average to better defenders he does not create his own shot. Cam is essentially the same player he was on RU only with a better lineup around him.....meaning he's a good complimentary piece to have on a very good team. My guess is that on RU we would be better but not marginally better with Cam. He would take away minutes from our guards and shoot from three better - especially against the patsies....but we would lose some defense and still have the same rebounding issues as well as uneven inside offensive play by our big men.
I actually think Can was a good rebounder for a guard but agree with the rest of what you said. I wish we had Cam but to say we are lost without him (which many people did) is simply not accurate.
Inconsistency is a huge part of college basketball. It’s why a team like seton hall can spank UConn on a Wednesday in December. Anyone remember that monster slump RHJ had his junior year? Geo threw up the occasional stinker too. Extrapolating a few games from cams stat line is just stupid.
What’s lost in this is
Game winning shot against Northwestern, game winning shot against Purdue, and game winning defensive play against PSU
Because he's a role player that is designed to do 1 thing......be a spot up shooter when their big man draws a double team and the ball moves from their 4 better, more talented players.....that is a role that Jordan Hawkins provided last year, but Hawkins was significantly better than Spencer last year.....so much so that he somehow got drafted in the NBA lottery.
Does that mean Spencer's a go to player, if you remove that talent around him....?? The answer is NO.....last year showed that at RU.
Is he’s an average player or just not a “go to player?” Because I think most would say he’s not a number 1 option. But you called him an average player before thats just silly
UConn was out coached and out played by Seton Hall once Clingan got injured.They realized to win the game they had to stop Spencer and Caravan 3 point shooting.UConn failed to run their fast moving,cutting and weaving offense which provides the open 3 pointers from the corners.On defense UConn couldn't stop Seton Hall drives to the basket with Clingan not on the court.They should have switched to a zone defense forcing Seton Hall to shoot 3 pointers which they were horrible at against Rutgers.As a squad UConn has better talent but that doesn't always equate to wins as shown in this matchup.
Sha had an excellent game plan.
Pike def outcoached him , but he’s a solid basketball coach.
Hawk - Your takes are awful. In what world is averaging almost 15 ppg on a top 10 team in the country an average college basketball player?
I never dismissed his clutch game winning shots on the road vs NW & Purdue, his overall good play on the road(minus @ Miami, @ ILL, & @ Mich St games) or even that defensive play but he was also that same player that shrunk, not stepped up, after Mawot Mag went down for the season or how poorly he played in our 10 home games(1 MSG) vs B1G opponents compared to his season stats. His stats got padded a lot vs the Sisters of the Poor teams, playing 6 sub 300 NET teams.
Home (6-4)
Indiana 1-5, 1-3, 3pts, W
MD, 3-10, 3-6, 13pts, W 4 FTs
Iowa, 4-10, 3-6, 13pts, L 2 FTs
Ohio St 5-13, 2-7, 21pts, W 9 FTs
Penn St 1-7, 1-3, 3 pts, W
Minnesota, 5-6, 3-3, 17pts, W 4 FTs
Mich St(MSG) 1-8, 0-5, 7 pts, W 5 FTs
Nebraska 3-11, 2-6, 8 pts, L
Michigan 5-12, 1-3, 11 pts, L
NW, 2-5, 1-3, 9pts, L 4 FTs
10 games, FG 30-87 34.5%, 3pt 17-45 37.8%, 2pt 13-42 30.9%, 10.5 pts
Without stats vs a horrible Minnesota team at home
9 games FG 25-81 30.9%, 3pt 14-42 33%
Those are stats of a limited offensive player vs quick athletic or physical guards in the B1G.
This is the part where he answers a completely different question that you didn’t ask to change the subject.
And also lost is that shooters have bad nights or can be streaky at times.
If someone shoots 44% from beyond the arc of course they’re gonna have some games where they don’t even come close to that clip….and some games where they’re lights out.
