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Is it time to move on? Facts speak for themselves


I have to admit, I was real happy to see Schiano back and even defended him against board members here. But alas, I hate to admit it, but those board members were correct. Let's just look at the facts:

- Schiano's record in the Big East: Overall: 68-67 Big East: 28-48
- Schiano's record in Big 10: Overall: 12 - 22 Big 10: 6 - 20
- recruiting has fallen off the cliff despite the fact we are in one of the best recruiting areas in the country and than add in FL, to not even have a top 7 recruiting class in the BIG is a big miss
- not developing a QB and an offense in year 3 of the program, is this Schiano meddling or poor hire and playing not to lose games? This squarely falls on Schiano's shoulders
- revolving door of coaches, got to hurt recruiting

I just don't see how we will even win 6 games next year, I see at best, 4-8 but most likely 2-10. I think it's time for Pat Hobbs to pull off the band-aid and get some new blood to coach our football team. The recruiting class is what it is, maybe the new coach can bring some talented transfers with him. It's just inevitable, Schiano will be gone after next year unless he works a miracle and at a minimum wins 6 games, which in my opinion is his ceiling for next year.

The facts speak for themselves: his Overall record, his mediocre recruiting classes, lack of offense,...... It's time for a change!

A few predictions

Rutgers dances with a single digit seed

Paul returns next season

Rutgers gets a big man commitment in the Spring


A 2023 out of conference game pleases fans

Cliff reads the tea leaves and makes a decision in March

Caleb gets a G-League stint

A basketball only donor steps up big in January

Ohio State and Michigan fall at the RAC and Michigan State goes into ot at MSG with a dramatic ending

You give Schiano as long as it takes

I’m not worried about wins, because I’m focused on building the program. We’ve come a long way, but we’ve still got a long way to go. This isn’t a quick fix situation. It’s a marathon, rather than a sprint. So if people aren’t going to pony up, we’ll have to wait on the kids to develop.

Things are only going to get more difficult with USC and UCLA joining the conference. You can’t win big ten games with smoke and mirrors. You win with talent and execution. And we have a LONG way to go, to close the talent gap.

Schiano’s plan is working as the defense is much improved. Now it’s onto fixing the other units, which this incoming class will play an outsized role in doing.

So I don’t have a timeframe. Positive progress is being made every day. Schiano will continue to build the talent base. The kids will graduate and our tailgates will continue to be outstanding. And one day, we will be good enough to beat OSU, PSU, USC, and UM. But it won’t be today, and it won’t be anytime in the near future.

If we can’t offer NIL, we should at least offer stability.

I don't remember....

I don't remember anytime that a head coach that was just hired, coaching in his new team's bowl game, like Luke Fickell of Wisconsin is doing. Are there any others that you can remember?

Of course there have been a bunch of assistant coaches that stayed on to still coach in their bowl games(like Chris Ash and many of the Alabama assistants).

Best of Luck,
Groz

Yes Rutgers can

I get it. Beat Bucknell and Coppin State first,but that will certainly happen. Coppin State is really bad. Bucknell is not going to Lafayette Rutgers. On to my point. Rutgers can beat Purdue. Most certainly would at home. Purdue has no guards and I will always undersell Painter after last season. They were as talented as the old UCLA teams last November and as talented as Cornell in March,when it counted. In addition Rutgers should definitely finish in the top 5 of the Big Ten. There are some bad teams and very pedestrian teams and teams like Illinois with internal issues.I don't see a Big Ten team getting to the Elite 8. This is no indictment of Rutgers. It is of the rest of the league. On another front,there are internal discussions taking place about the Jimmy V and it looks like 2024-5 for the RAC renovations and some tell me after the Schiano new facility is completed.

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At Least the Team WON One Thing this Year

According to Sagarin (which is usually accurate once the season is over),

WHO WAS THE WORST P5 TEAM IN 2022

Rutgers is able to RE-CLAIM that title, just a few years removed from Chris Ash having a death grip on that spot

Coming in at 115, we just beat out Boston College - who got some stain by beating both Louisville and NC State, who both had excellent seasons

Well, what about Indiana, who we beat - they managed to come in at 88, after their legit 3-0 start in which they beat 3 bowl teams, including Illinois.

After seeing about 5 or 10 Posts about how much longer to give Greg, I was truly surprised to see this stat - not that it mattered if we were the worst or 2cd worst team, but more to emphasize that Rutgers had ZERO good wins this year. All the excitement at the beginning of the year after beating BC was obviously misplaced, since they turned out to be just as bad as we were, . And Indiana fans, had good reason to be excited by their teams 3-0 start, and then achieved a thrilling double OT victory, on the road against MSU.

I read a post a while back looking at Gregs record in his first go around, against teams that finished above or below .500, and the results weren't pretty. We beat up on some pretty bad teams, and with the exception of some big wins over Louisville and USF and MSU, there werent that many big upsets in his first go around, but there were several WTF losses.

For the record, I was very pro in hiring Greg - I think it was a mutual fit - we may have been the only P5 School that wanted him, and the thought of coming back and having resources to cement his legacy were appealing to him. Despite the losing record and terrible record against teams that finished over .500, Greg is always well organized, is still a great defensive mind and always seems to have a plan.

The three things I find surprising and disappointing in his 2.0 comeback are

a) lack of depth in the QB room - we put all our eggs in the Gavin basket - and for a guy who prides himself on competition in every position room, the fact that we never got a descent transfer or recruited a QB in last years class was puzzling. If we dont get a transfer QB by May, it will be shocking, given how little room we have for error

b) Penalties - the 2022 team was the most dis-organized and penalized team I can remember . No matter how bad we were, Greg's teams were at least well disciplined, I hope this year was an anomaly

c) OC search - I thought it was ballzy as hell to fire Gleeson mid-season, and knowing Greg, he had to have had preliminary discussions with at least 2 or 3 of his top targets during the season
I think most of us expected an announcement within a week of season's end, especially since the December portal has re-written all the rules and Greg is smart enough to know that good transfer candidates aren't coming here unless they know who will be coaching them, and what kind of offense will be run.

So all of the above to get to the question - do we fire Greg if he has a similarly disappointing record in 2023. For starters, we play the same brutal Big10East schedule, and i think we will be underdogs in each game. Our OOC schedule is similar to this past year, replacing BC with VaTech, who was just as bad last year. I think our opener, at home versus Northwestern, will be a great barometer, we have a great chance of being 3-0 heading into Ann Arbor, and we get a tune-up game against Wagner, before heading to Wisconsin. I think we have an excellent chance for 4 wins again, 5 wins against this schedule would be a good job of coaching and 6 wins, might even be worthy of an un-needed extension

In sum, expect a year similar to 2022, would love to see Greg get his first signature win of the 2.0 era, but even with a 4-6 finish, he will get an other year. As fans, we need to see progress on the field, some big wins in the transfer portal and bringing in a recruiting class that at least comes in the Top 40. And finally, even though its not part of any HC job description, Greg and the AD need to come up with a plan to at least be competitive in the NIL department. Like it or not, there is no turning back, and Greg has historically been ahead of the curve with new developments, the next 12 months are hopefully his chance to shine


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to my Fellow Board Members - even @kyk1827 🎅🎅🎅

RU Football recruiting: what happened?

After 2 strong classes, recruiting has fallen off in 2023.
After 2020, which we will give a pass to the RU staff due to the late start, GS has pulled in:
2021: #32 ranked class
2022: #40 ranked class
2023: #62 ranked class

We didn't land one 4* recruit (yes ranking aren't the end all be all but it is relative to other schools like PSU who landed 13 4* recruits). What is the reason for the decline? Is it a one year anomaly or is it due to a bad team this year, loss of key recruiters on the staff, facilities, lack of NIL "bagmen"? What didn't work in 2022 that worked in 2020 and 2021 (although a few top signees from those classes have since left)?

A Beautiful Story Out of Indiana

I'm one of those old timers who doesn't like the whole NIL thing....until you hear a story like this. There will be one Hoosier I'll root for this year. At this time of year when it's supposed to be about giving, God bless this kid.

Buffalo Defensive End

Pretty neat story about the Buffalo DE, Damian Jackson. He was a former Navy Seal and walked on to Nebraska after serving his country. He never played football prior to that. Then he transferred to Buffalo after 4 years. The commentators today were saying that he’s such a great teammate and a class act. They said he’s often found cleaning trash up on the field after games. Impressive young man. Good luck to him in life.

NIL funding idea

Rutgers has a larger endowment than the past 4 college football champions, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, and Clemson. These universities, like Rutgers, are flagship state universities.

The Rutgers endowment, totaling $2 billion, features 2,500 individual endowment funds, mainly raised through the Rutgers University Foundation. With the existence of the RFund focused on athletics, the traditional endowment largely funds scholarships, professorships, and other academic objectives.

Could the 2,500 individual endowment fund donors be convinced to modernize their giving by funding NIL? In other words, to transfer assets from the endowment to, say, Knights of the Raritan?

Tapping the endowment to fund NIL would be a seismic shift toward the donation geography of other Power 5 universities.
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