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I'm sure that's the way a lot of people might see it.
But you might say Illinois and Indiana might be games RU could be slight favorites, because the games are at Rutgers Stadium.
Minnesota has had a change of leadership and the new HC isn't considered by some as a good hire. He might be a case of a Minnesota flood and not get the mostout of that team.
Home cooking for the Gophers should give them an advantage, but RU could be better than thought and take the game in Minneapolis
Penn St playing at Rutgers house might be too much for them to handle, especialy if their new OC isn't doing the job he was brought in to do and Franklin is proving to be a recruiter and not the coach he was supposed to be.
Iowa's coming to Jersey to pay and could be less than the team they had last season and more like the 2014 team that wound up 7-6 but wasn't highly thought of.
Home cooking could give RU enough of an edge to take the game from a team that isn't playing like it did the year before.
RU might surprise Washington, but that's what it will be ( a surprise) so won't claim Rutgers dominance while leaving Ohio St , Michigan and MSU out of this discussion except to say:" Upsets Happen" , though in all three cases not very likely.
Never know untill the game is played.
Some I'm sure want RU to lose ( Washington Fans especially)
Others want RU to be victorious ( Rutgers fans , like me :D )
Then there are the posters that are fans of other schools that never miss an opportunity to put the Scarlet Knights down while some other visitors hope RU wins but feel they can't and post that way.Maybe a guest will pick RU win against Washington , but no one posting on this board that are a fan of another school should feel obligated to because this is a Rutgers Board
Scarlet Nation is one of the friendliest boards and everyone that posts here know they can speak freely, even if it's not predicting RU will win every game it plays .
Isn't it reasonable to think that we are likely to win five out of our seven home games (all but Michigan and Iowa)? If we can beat Maryland on the road, we'd have six and be bowl-eligible. That would be a great accomplishment for Ash and the team. .
1. LB are extremely green. Clayton has promise but the unit as a whole is a giant question mark at best.
2. WR depth is limited and this unit struggled to get separation aside from Carroo last year.
3. Who is the dynamic pass rusher for RU if Turay isn't healthy?
4. QB is a giant question mark still.
5. CB - can these guys hold their own in man to man?
Did Rutger have 4 straight top 10 recruiting classes when Ash took over? Auburn was loaded with talent which was why Chizik was fired even though two year prior he won a national championship. Malzahn also was not a first year head coach. It not really and apple to apples comparison.
Definitely agree that the situations are different. But a man can dream right? [cheers]
I am confused as to what the point of this post is........... picking a 20 point favorite at home as the likely winner of that game is somehow a slight to RU?
I would just call that reality.
Don't be confused, just look at my post as being a positive one from a Rutgers fan that knows everyone doesn't feel the same.
That's why I said : "Scarlet Nation is one of the friendliest boards and everyone that posts here know they can speak freely, even if it's not predicting RU will win every game it plays."
Never called going with a 20 point favorite a slight, but do feel some that post here enjoy seeing Rutgers be 20 point underdogs and hope they lose by more.
On the other hand, there are some that predict RU to lose the Washington game but hope the Scarlet Knights win.
What's so confusing about my post, just because I pointed out that some posters might like seeing RU a big underdog ?
I also pointed out some picked RU to lose, but hope they win.
Nothing confusing about my pointing those things out.
I replied to this loss prediction >
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Yeah Washington is getting a bit too much hype. I've seen some Top 10 predictions for them.
That being said, they'll probably beat RU, and possibly it wont be that close<
You posted that because someone said Washington might not be as good as thought and seemed to think RU could win.
Sometimes pre-season expectations aren't lived up to and Washington might not be as good as predicted.
I won't say they'll underachieve, but hope they do their first game.
You just seem to feel the opposite.
No need to think I implied anything. I just stated some like Rutgers some don't.
Send me a pm and I'd be happy to oblige. Love meeting the opposition and I have a good number of PSU fans as friends.
I would expect a PSU fan to think like this because we haven't given you a reason to think otherwise based on our history. But this year is different because you haven't factored the Chris Ash schematic advantage into your analysis. iE: Chris Ash is a much better coach than James Franklin. Now PSU might be able to overcome that advantage this year, thx to superior talent, but I don't see that continuing into the future as long as Tutgers can keep Chris Ash.
I appreciate the optimism but there is 0 evidence Ash is a better coach. Would you be surprised that Franklin has a better record than D'antonio through the first 5 years of their careers and against tougher competition?
Tougher competition? That's kind of funny. Franklin made his bones by beating bad teams and losing to good ones.
First year:
Dantonio: 4 wins over teams at or above .500, best win was 8-4 Memphis
Franklin: 0 wins over teams at or above .500, best win was over 6-7 Wake Forest
Second year:
Dantonio: 0 wins over teams at or above .500, best against 5-6 UConn
Franklin: 2 wins over teams at or above .500, both against 7-6 teams (Miss & NC State)
Third year:
Dantonio: 3 wins against teams at or above .500, best over 11-2 Rutgers
Franklin: 2 wins against teams at or above .500, best over 8-5 Houston
Fourth year:
Dantonio: 4 wins against teams at or above .500, best over 9-4 PA St
Franklin: 4 wins against teams at or above .500, best over 9-4 UCF
Fifth year:
Dantonio: 5 wins against teams at or above .500, best over 9-4 Iowa
Franklin: 1 win against teams at or above .500, over 11-3 SD State
So, let's tally that up....
Dantonio: 16 wins against teams that finished .500 or better. 32 wins vs. FBS opponents, who had a 46.4% win percentage overall.
Franklin: 9 wins against teams that finished .500 or better. 35 wins vs. FBS opponents, who had a 39.0% win percentage overall.
Careful using the phrase "schematic advantage"... how did Charlie Weis' "decided schematic advantage" work out for him at Notre Dame?
26 point road underdogs and you have it marked down as a win? Yikes.
We may only be a favorite in ONE game this year! Pray for 6 wins. Be happy with 4 or 5. And when we win 3 stay the course and keep momentum so the recruits sign and new quality guys verbal.
Al has it right. He's a fan. And as a fan, sometimes you have to pin your ears back and predict a 10 win season, even if you know damn well that ain't going to happen.
I feel that Chris Ash's National Championship Ring is the evidence.
Chris Ash built a National Championship Caliber Defense at Ohio State, raising its performance from #42 to National Championship Caliber. I think he'll do the same at Rutgers and feel confident that the direct evidence will come November 19th.
No. Not marked down as a win. Question is what games are "possible" wins. While every game is a "possible" win, tOSU and Michigan are a lot less possible than the others. Was watching the BTN live at MSU last night, and that would be my next on the list of less possible. Washington? Never been impressed with pre-season hype, and I think that is a very possible win, regardless of spreads. @cubuffsdoug has provided some good insight on this. I am right behind Al as a fan wearing scarlet glasses. I understand where we are at and certainly understand the doomsday predictions, but I don't think that way. Sorry.
Last year was a clusterfruck of the highest order. Not only did we lose however many guys to the penal system, but we also had a HC involved in a seperate high profile scandal, our best defensive player missing most of the season to injury, our best offensive player battling injury all year, etc, And we won 4 games.
IMO 6 is the OK line for this upcoming season. Above that I'm happy. I won't be happy with a 5 win or less season. If there is an inkling that Ash is a big time coach, I don't think anyone should.
IMO 6 is the OK line for this upcoming season. Above that I'm happy. I won't be happy with a 5 win or less season. If there is an inkling that Ash is a big time coach, I don't think anyone should.
While I don't doubt your data or math the fact remains that Franklin has a better record in his 1st 5 years. And according to sports-reference.com the schedule was tougher. You want to argue he doesn't have as many quality wins and I won't disagree but he's beating the teams he supposed to beat. And he did it at Vanderbilt and a sanctioned Penn State.
My basic point is that for the "Franklin can't coach" crowd is that is the jury is still out and we'll see how he does over the next 2 years.
But the hot seat has been warmed up.
As for PSU's 2015 SOS,I thought it would be worse than what it was (54).
Also Rutgers' SOS (77) makes the 4-8 season under Flood look even worse than that record makes it out to be and a reason why Rutgers doesn't have may so-called media experts think they can win in 2016
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other
Why would you think PSU's SOS last season would be poor? Every team it lost to won 10+ games, and it also beat 11-3 San Diego State and another bowl team in Indiana. By the way, despite what people here think, the seat is lukewarm, at best.
I can see that as well. This is the ceiling, I think 7-5 is where RU ends up realistically. 1-2 vs Iowa, PSU and W. Wins vs the other 6.
I just hope everyone maintains or increases their donation levels after this season and doesnt use their disappointment of not achieving unrealistic win totals as a way of closing the wallets. Of course you can close your wallet for any reason you want. Keeping scope of where we are and what may come is important in my opinion.
And I'm sorry, 26 point road underdogs can not be considered a possible win. You could sure as hell root for an upset but let's be real here.
And I'm sorry, 26 point road underdogs can not be considered a possible win. You could sure as hell root for an upset but let's be real here.
Yes, the teams Franklin lost to were tougher than the teams Dantonio lost to... not sure how that makes him a better coach. We lost to Ohio State and Michigan State last year - does that somehow make Flood a better coach than someone who lost to weaker teams?
Franklin has beaten up largely on a bunch of mediocre to poor teams, and somehow he's in the conversation with Dantonio? The next time Franklin beats a 9 win P5 team, it'll be the first.
These are his career wins against P5 schools that finished with at least .500 records:
2013 Georgia (8-5) (both Keith Marshall and Todd Gurley, among others, out with injury)
2014 Rutgers (8-5)
2014 BC (7-6) - bowl game
2012 Ole Miss (7-6)
2012 NC State (7-6) - bowl game
So, in 5 seasons, he's managed just 3 regular season wins against P5 teams that finished with winning records. His signature wins are a last minute 4 point victory against an injury-depleted Georgia squad and a last minute 3 point victory against a Rutgers team that he trailed nearly the entire game (despite being +4 in turnovers).
Maybe let Franklin actually accomplish something before comparing him to a coach who has won the Big Ten three times and has finished ranked in the Top 15 in 5 of the last 6 years.
A true freshman Saquon running behind a line made of traffic cones busted through his defensive scheme for 250 yards last year. And that was with 9 NFL draft picks on the other side of the field.
I agree that currently Franklin is not a comparable coach to D'antonio. However when you look at the start of their careers they are similar and people espousing Franklin can't coach are a bit premature. No doubt, this is an important year for Franklin but he's not on a hot seat yet. If he goes 7-6 again the next year his seat will be warming up but there's almost no chance he's not on the sidelines in 2017.
D'antonio built his legacy in the B1G at a time when both PSU and UM were down. We'll see if MSU can maintain their top 15 status or if they take a step back. We'll also see if PSU steps up and becomes the challenger to the Big2.
I sat through last years miserable game in the rain in happy valley. I was more miserable during that game than even temple 2002, because we had no business losing to PSU, the way we did.
With no offense, and missing Darius Hamilton along with 3/4 of our secondary game us an inability to stop the running game, and passing game, and our defense tired out. That won't be the case this year. We are much better coached and conditioned, and our QB play should be much improved. i expect a contest similar to 2014, with Rutgers ultimately prevailing this time, thx in part to much better coaching.
You can compare a lot of the first 5 years of a lot of careers, and they look great. It's pretty much meaningless as a predictor of future success.
I agree that he'll be the coach in 2017. He could very well go 7-6 (and maybe even 8-5) again this year without beating anyone with 9+ wins. At some point, though, if he doesn't challenge the big boys in the conference, he's going to wear out his welcome.
And Dantonio built MSU while you guys were down? Really? He'd already passed you guys before sanctions hit.
A lot of love for Dantonio and MSU on this board. And short memories apparently. Dantonio went 22-17 over his first three seasons at MSU. PSU went 31-8 over that period, including 2-1 against MSU and both wins were blowouts.
He then had two very good seasons with the Kirk Cousins/Le'Veon Bell team pre-sanctions, going 22-5, including 1-0 against PSU, which posted a combined record of 16-10. So, combined pre-sanctions, Dantonio's MSU went 44-22 compared with PSU's 47-18. If two seasons (2010/2011) are enough for you to make sweeping judgments about the pecking order of programs, especially considering PSU was better than MSU even in the first sanctions year that followed, I'll remind you of the same thing I brought up when comparing MSU to Michigan: The Spartans have a LONG way to go before they are considered in the same realm as the upper echelon programs on a year-in, year-out basis. This current run is but a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things.
Now, MSU graduated a ton of players who were the backbone of a successful program over the past three seasons. Can it avoid a season like 2012, when it went 7-6 post-Cousins (despite Bell still running wild)? If it accomplishes that, and shows it can maintain this success once Dantonio moves on, then let's talk about MSU "arriving" and "passing teams by." But for now, let's pump the brakes just a little bit.
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Why is the question:
Temple was 6-6 in 2014 and no one thought they’d be a good team in 2015 until they beat the underachieving Nits
Buffalo isn’t on many top program lists and their 5-7 record in 2015 didn’t enhance the Bull’s reputation.
San Diego St is a pretty good mid major but in 2015 was coming off a 7-6 record, though 11-3 in 2015 wasn’t too shabby
Army isn’t going to be a program that the Nits should point to as a symbol of why their SOS was better than I thought it would be.
So don’t think that Penn St’s SOS was based on something special and that their OOC was that great because Penn St beat SDS for their one win against a program that finished 2015 with a winning record..
In conference games played a lot in the final 54 SOS rating , but you can be proud to point out Rutgers SOS was much worse and are in the same B1G East.
RU’s SOS is going to be held back as long as the Howards and Norfolk St’s are on the schedule
Washington St and Kansas didn’t help much because the Cougars 9-4 record was negated by the Jayhawks 0-12.
Then like PSU, RU playing Army (2-10) hurt their SOS
I’ll knock RU’s SOS and the Scarlet Knights 4-8 record because of the OOC RU had
Penn St fans shouldn’t act like the Nits 2015 SOS is something to be proud of and that beating one winning team in 2015 gives Penn St fans bragging rights.
But it does give Nit fans the right to say I shouldn't be bashing Nit football the way RU played in 2015.
Not that it will stop me from presenting the facts when asked, but will show me as a RU fan that RU’s performance in 2015 gives me less bragging rights than I imply Nits fans have
The SOS rankings you listed appear to take into account the games played AFTER THE FACT, not PRESEASON, so any perceptions you have about teams' opponents entering last season are irrelevant to these rankings.
I'm not here for bragging rights about last season's schedule - PSU was a mediocre team, so what's the point, and if I wanted to I could just point to the thrashing that occurred September 19. Rather, I was just questioning why anyone would be surprised about PSU's SOS from 2015 considering it played six teams that won 10+ games. In fact, I wouldn't have been surprised to see it even higher than the mid-50s. Whether PSU won or lost those games means nothing in the context of measuring SOS.
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