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Nitlion
Would you consider JoJo Aragona elite talent?
How about Turley? He just beat the #1 ranked recruit in his class?
I don't think we will ever be on a Penn State/Ohio State/Oklahoma State Level.
Yes recruiting can get better, but that is always the case.
Where did you see Rutgers wrestling going 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Yes, we have made strides and as a fan I want more.
Realistically, we need to have these type of recruiting classes every year.

The SKWC just opened (As well as the NJRTC).
TO compare us to the top teams is not a fair comparison.
 
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R U Crazy said:
Nitlion
Would you consider JoJo Aragona elite talent?
How about Turley? He just beat the #1 ranked recruit in his class?
I don't think we will ever be on a Penn State/Ohio State/Oklahoma State Level.
Yes recruiting can get better, but that is always the case.
Where did you see Rutgers wrestling going 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Yes, we have made strides and as a fan I want more.
Realistically, we need to have these type of recruiting classes every year.

The SKWC just opened (As well as the NJRTC).
TO compare us to the top teams is not a fair comparison.
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Actually 5 years ago I would have thought we'd be ahead of where we are, in all honesty. Don't forget, Goody has had some real solid lineups.
 
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R U Crazy said:
Nitlion
Would you consider JoJo Aragona elite talent?
How about Turley? He just beat the #1 ranked recruit in his class?
I don't think we will ever be on a Penn State/Ohio State/Oklahoma State Level.
Yes recruiting can get better, but that is always the case.
Where did you see Rutgers wrestling going 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Yes, we have made strides and as a fan I want more.
Realistically, we need to have these type of recruiting classes every year.

The SKWC just opened (As well as the NJRTC).
TO compare us to the top teams is not a fair comparison.
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I don't see Rutgers challenging Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa or Okie State either. With the talent in New Jersey and right next door in eastern PA the New Jersey state school should be able to challenge for an occasional top 5 and a regular top 10.

However, I seem to have offended and while I feared I would that wasn't my intention.
Obviously, where you are is a good spot and Donny Pritzloff will do a good job maintaining.
 
nitlion6 said:
I don't see Rutgers challenging Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa or Okie State either. With the talent in New Jersey and right next door in eastern PA the New Jersey state school should be able to challenge for an occasional top 5 and a regular top 10.

However, I seem to have offended and while I feared I would that wasn't my intention.
Obviously, where you are is a good spot and Donny Pritzloff will do a good job maintaining.
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Our 2016 class was supposed to be one of the best in the country. Except Grello, no real starters, and only he and Correnti are still on the team.

We sent a full squad to nationals a few years ago, and this year may only send 4... and that is if Gravina is healthy and makes it there. Regression is happening.

I want to see what the program does when we can have a full squad practice at one time instead of the splits we have now because of physical space.
 
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nitlion6 said:
I don't see Rutgers challenging Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa or Okie State either. With the talent in New Jersey and right next door in eastern PA the New Jersey state school should be able to challenge for an occasional top 5 and a regular top 10.

However, I seem to have offended and while I feared I would that wasn't my intention.
Obviously, where you are is a good spot and Donny Pritzloff will do a good job maintaining.
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I didn't mind your first comment as I'm not expecting RU to always improve and sometimes I agree. I do expect for every couple of good years to take a step back. Progression is not always going to be forward although contradictory. For those that think once we make it in the top 10 to stay there permanently have not lived our past. Tasting success has obviously bred an expectation that at times is not realistic for our current coaching staff which I support. I do feel we have some high powered recruits coming in but need help in the upper weights. Posters on your board continually bring us up when there isn't enough talking about PSU or wrestling here so someone creates a thread about us and the Rutgers bashing begins. I appreciate thought out and well crafted responses. Many on this board don't even do this but some of our disdain for many on your board or commentators doesn't happen overnight.

Also prior to a PSU soapbox response (I'll be off mine soon) I did not appreciate the Deluca match as it tainted the meet in some respects. Those on your board that thought JVB intentionally hurt Nolf is a joke. I bring this up because you will just refer to the "boxing match" over and over or Matter will say he saw JVB celebrating in the tunnel.
 
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Bms22 said:
I didn't mind your first comment as I'm not expecting RU to always improve and sometimes I agree. I do expect for every couple of good years to take a step back. Progression is not always going to be forward although contradictory. For those that think once we make it in the top 10 to stay there permanently have not lived our past. Tasting success has obviously bred an expectation that at times is not realistic for our current coaching staff which I support. I do feel we have some high powered recruits coming in but need help in the upper weights. Posters on your board continually bring us up when there isn't enough talking about PSU or wrestling here so someone creates a thread about us and the Rutgers bashing begins. I appreciate thought out and well crafted responses. Many on this board don't even do this but some of our disdain for many on your board or commentators doesn't happen overnight.

Also prior to a PSU soapbox response (I'll be off mine soon) I did not appreciate the Deluca match as it tainted the meet in some respects. Those on your board that thought JVB intentionally hurt Nolf is a joke. I bring this up because you will just refer to the "boxing match" over and over or Matter will say he saw JVB celebrating in the tunnel.
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Matter claims he is a Rutgers fan though.
 
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nitlion6 said:
I don't see Rutgers challenging Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa or Okie State either. With the talent in New Jersey and right next door in eastern PA the New Jersey state school should be able to challenge for an occasional top 5 and a regular top 10.

However, I seem to have offended and while I feared I would that wasn't my intention.
Obviously, where you are is a good spot and Donny Pritzloff will do a good job maintaining.
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Not saying Goodale's the answer. But you try selling split practices because the space isn't big enough. In the basement of a building built in 1931 and had a leaking roof in 2015. Sure wrestlers are a different breed, but everyone deep down likes shinny new things.

You also do realize just 13 years ago this program was on the chopping block and one man stopped it. Robert Mulcahy, the BOG wanted it axed. So I'm inclined to give Goodale a little more time. Especially since he's grown the sport at RU from 50 parents and friends watching to over 3,000 season tickets sold.
 
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Look PSUhas a $10million endowment so Cael starts the year with $500k before he raises a nickel. He has 10 or 11 tip national wrestlers in his room from his RTC so naturally kids want to go their because they feel like wrestling with the best will only get them better. Can’t argue with that. This sport is getting to the point where those schools raising the most money will employ the top wrestlers to get the kids in his room get better. If RU wants to be in that elite mix we need to raise the money like the top schools do. Just a fact. That is why USA wrestling has risen in the world wrestling arena
 
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WNG - Your comments are very interesting. With the new facilities and being located in a hot bed for wrestling, I thought our recruiting outlook would be in great shape. In thinking about your post, I better understand what it will take to get the best kids. It is not a level playing field. I guess that's life in the world of college wrestling. Your comments also help me understand what a really good job the coaches have done with a hand tied behind their back. Hopefully, we raised the funds so we can beat PSU.
 
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I may have missed it. What is the deal with Zach Delvechio? Top 220 lber in the state, nationally ranked, legacy from a HS we have done well with in the past. You figure he would have been a top priority for a future HWT.
 
scarletNJ49 said:
I may have missed it. What is the deal with Zach Delvechio? Top 220 lber in the state, nationally ranked, legacy from a HS we have done well with in the past. You figure he would have been a top priority for a future HWT.
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The story last year was he wanted to play football in college, not wrestle.
There is now an even younger Delvecchio on the SP team.
 
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The top schools in wrestling all raise $ separately from the university providing scholarships and facilities.
 
Someone just posted this on the RUWrestling site on Facebook :

"Heads up for anyone attending the Rutgers-Rider dual Sunday: there will be a post-match social @ The Olive Branch (adjacent to the old College Ave Gym) hosted by the SKWC. No entry fee, no registration, just swing by after the dual. Hope to see some of you there."

I hope to see some of you there. Hope the pizza is still as great as it was when it was 'Patti's'
 
R U Crazy said:
Nitlion
Would you consider JoJo Aragona elite talent?
How about Turley? He just beat the #1 ranked recruit in his class?
I don't think we will ever be on a Penn State/Ohio State/Oklahoma State Level.
Yes recruiting can get better, but that is always the case.
Where did you see Rutgers wrestling going 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Yes, we have made strides and as a fan I want more.
Realistically, we need to have these type of recruiting classes every year.

The SKWC just opened (As well as the NJRTC).
TO compare us to the top teams is not a fair comparison.
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I would not consider either of them "elite" in the sense that I am expecting NCs out of them. Top 10 overall kids, maybe top 5 some years, maybe top 20 other years that is what I would consider elite and what the PSU, tOSU, Iowa and OSUs are highly targeting. Can they be AAs? Yeah, I think Aragona can be. Turley, not as sure about, despite the win. Maybe, but he's going to have to get a lot more dynamic or be resigned to being the type of guy that is maybe R12 or R16 or AAs if the bracket falls right. I see a bunch of those type of guys on the team right now (Turley, not Aragona).

Elite guys are Suriano, Ashnault and they were elite coming out of HS. There are two of them on the team right now. Nobody else, nor in the pipeline. Maybe Aragona, but let's see after this year. And, yes, I have seen both of them wrestle a few times. Turley more than Aragona.

RU needs to come up with some guys to replace Suriano and Ashnault to keep moving forward. Not sure that they have any yet. Development is a hard way to go about doing that.
 
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dicemen99 said:
I would not consider either of them "elite" in the sense that I am expecting NCs out of them. Top 10 overall kids, maybe top 5 some years, maybe top 20 other years that is what I would consider elite and what the PSU, tOSU, Iowa and OSUs are highly targeting. Can they be AAs? Yeah, I think Aragona can be. Turley, not as sure about, despite the win. Maybe, but he's going to have to get a lot more dynamic or be resigned to being the type of guy that is maybe R12 or R16 or AAs if the bracket falls right. I see a bunch of those type of guys on the team right now (Turley, not Aragona).

Elite guys are Suriano, Ashnault and they were elite coming out of HS. There are two of them on the team right now. Nobody else, nor in the pipeline. Maybe Aragona, but let's see after this year. And, yes, I have seen both of them wrestle a few times. Turley more than Aragona.

RU needs to come up with some guys to replace Suriano and Ashnault to keep moving forward. Not sure that they have any yet. Development is a hard way to go about doing that.
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Aragona is #1 in his Weight Class and #6 on the Big Board. How is that not elite? That’s higher than Ashnault who was #10 (and I am not Saying JoJo is better). But to say the kid is not a potential NC contender is ludicrous when he hasn’t wrestled a college match yet (and vice versa).
 
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ScottRU93 said:
Aragona is #1 in his Weight Class and #6 on the Big Board. How is that not elite? That’s higher than Ashnault who was #10 (and I am not Saying JoJo is better). But to say the kid is not a potential NC contender is ludicrous when he hasn’t wrestled a college match yet (and vice versa).
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As I said, some years top 5, some years top 10, some years top 15.

Ashnault was ready to go from the get go. As I also said above, let's see after this year. Right now I don't think Aragona is there yet. MO.

Technically, pretty much every recruit is a potential NC. There have been unranked guys to win it.

I'll put it this way. I think Ashnault's career will exceed Aragona's at this time. And I reserved the right to revisit it following this year. That's all I'm saying.
 
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Ashnault redshirted, So, no, he wasn’t ready to go right away. He is awesome and the best ever to wrestle for RU. You are using the eye test which is fine but I think you are underestimating Aragona and the idea of development. RU’s model has to be NC State, Missouri even with the better recruiting territory, at least for now. Have to keep building the RTC as well.
 
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Ashnault is a 6th year wrestler so he is a 23-4 year old man now. He is fully mature.
 
Being ranked #1 in HS doesnt necessarily mean youre an Elite wrestler. I define Elite as being dominant.

Spencer Lee & NS were elite. Steveson is elite, Fix is elite. These guys came into college expected to contend for a NC immediately

Just think how many top ranked wrestlers coming out of HS have never sniffed the podium
 
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FoxRU said:
Ashnault redshirted, So, no, he wasn’t ready to go right away. He is awesome and the best ever to wrestle for RU. You are using the eye test which is fine but I think you are underestimating Aragona and the idea of development. RU’s model has to be NC State, Missouri even with the better recruiting territory, at least for now. Have to keep building the RTC as well.
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Id disagree with AA being best ever at Rutgers. To date, it is NS. Dont see how anyone can argue this
 
JohnnyHandsome said:
Id disagree with AA being best ever at Rutgers. To date, it is NS. Dont see how anyone can argue this
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Suriano is great and you may be right but I didn’t include him in the conversation just yet for a few reasons. He transferred in and only has one year in an RU singlet so far. Plus he has another year left after this season. With that said, if he stays healthy, AA will end his RU wrestling career with 120+ wins, 4x AA (possible NC). He will have a strong argument regardless of what Nick achieves.
 
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Id disagree with AA being best ever at Rutgers. To date, it is NS. Dont see how anyone can argue this
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Ashnault is a 3 time AA, two time semi-finalist, two time B1G champ with 100 career wins who will most likely end his career as the RU career win leader and 4 time AA. Suriano has one year under his belt as a national finalist. If AA wins a national championship he cements his legacy as the GOAT.

Suriano could nab back to back championships. Do that and he’s #1. But I think given their body of work at RU today it’s Ashnault by a mile.
 
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Hall beats Valencia 4-0, rode him like a rented mule, too.

Bo Nickal pinned his guy in about 30 seconds, Cassar w a pin too. Roman Bravo Young whipped the Milhof, the #7 ranked 125'er . RBY is going to be an AA in his first year , this year. The Big10's 133 is crazy tough.
PSU 41 ASU 3
 
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Princeton will kick their asses.
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Just heard on the Flowrestling podcast that Glory will be out a while with an injury. No Rider tonight and no Midlands either.

PS- I'm fairly new to Podcasts and the Flowrsestling one is good. I like listening when I'm out for a walk/jog, or on the treadmill. Anyone know of other good college wrestling Podcasts? I didn't care for Shortime and T Rowe and Funky seem to have disappeared.
 
Abro1975 said:
Just heard on the Flowrestling podcast that Glory will be out a while with an injury. No Rider tonight and no Midlands either.

PS- I'm fairly new to Podcasts and the Flowrsestling one is good. I like listening when I'm out for a walk/jog, or on the treadmill. Anyone know of other good college wrestling Podcasts? I didn't care for Shortime and T Rowe and Funky seem to have disappeared.
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I don't listen to any podcasts, but this one has to be fairly good, being that it's done by Jason Bryant. http://www.mattalkonline.com/

This is another, done here in Iowa. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/takedown-wrestling-radio/id997041864
 
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Just heard on the Flowrestling podcast that Glory will be out a while with an injury. No Rider tonight and no Midlands either.

PS- I'm fairly new to Podcasts and the Flowrsestling one is good. I like listening when I'm out for a walk/jog, or on the treadmill. Anyone know of other good college wrestling Podcasts? I didn't care for Shortime and T Rowe and Funky seem to have disappeared.
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Inside Trip is my favorite one. They are 2 tOSU fans but they do a great job. Rudis podcast is where Askren is at. No more Tommy. You have Flo, all the Mat talk ones, Black Shoe is a PSU one. Bloodround is another one.
 
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Princeton edges Rider 23-21 :

https://goprincetontigers.com/news/...ers-extinguish-second-long-losing-streak.aspx

PRINCETON 23, RIDER 21 125 - #14 Patrick Glory (P) WBF Jonathan Tropea 1:59
133 – Anthony Cefelo (R) wins by forfeit
141 – Travis Layton (R) dec. Marshall Keller 3-2
149 - #1 Matthew Kolodzik (P) TF Evan Fidelibus 18-3 (7:00)
157 – Quincy Monday (P) dec. Gino Fluri 6-2
165 – #20 Jesse Dellavecchia (R) dec. Dale Tiongson 6-2
174 – Dean Sherry (R) dec. Travis Stefanik 7-5
184 – Kevin Parker (P) WBF Michale Fagg Daves 3:58
197 - #3 Patrick Brucki (P) dec. Ethan Laird 12-5
285 – Ryan Cloud (R) WBF Obinna Ajah 1:46
 
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