So you’re mad the officials finally started calling the game the right way in the 2nd half? Rutgers could have gotten away with murder in the 1st half. Good on Fran for picking up a T to make sure that garbage wasn’t going to fly in the 2nd half - that’s the way the game should be officiated.
6 fouls TOTAL 1st half...13(9 on RU) in 7 minutes 2nd half??!!
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Yeah, that McCaffery technical at the end of the first half, definitely influenced the zebras in the second half.
Okay, because I'm apparently a masochist, I went back and rewatched the start of the second half from 20:00 to 12:30.
Overall, there wasn't too much that was egregious - but any expectations set up by the refs in the first half about what was/wasn't a foul were essentially reset, as the officiating was a different style after the break. It was almost like a different crew came in.
That said, just looking at the fouls called/uncalled in the the tighter start to the second half, and where I think the call may have been incorrect in some way:
What look like clear misses to me:
19:18 - Kriener moving screen tangles up Johnson as he tries to get out to Garza, resulted in a three pointer.
18:51 - Yeboah reaches in on Kriener on arm/chest, with no call.
18:38 - Johnson elbows Wieskamp in the head on a layup attempt and sent him to the floor with no call.
17:17 - Mathis hit on arm by two different players attempting to reach in on a layup. Based on the level of contact called on Yeboah less than a minute before, either of these should have been fouls. Still, we ended up with two points on the no call instead of a side out on a foul before the shot.
16:42 - Kriener hip checks Johnson on a moving screen with no call
15:23 - Kriener made hard contact with Carter and then fell down, resulting in Carter layup and no foul call.
What felt like questionable calls:
18:43 - Garza moving screen on Mathis. He set the screen to stop Mathis from coming over, then moved to block him from going under either.
13:52 - Very light contact by Mulcahy on a driving layup by Wieskamp, called for foul and one. Tied with the call just below this one as the lightest foul called that I saw on this rewatch.
13:08 - Some body contact between McConnell and Garza as both were going up for a rebound, and neither appeared to have clear position (they were sort of next to each other). Foul was called on McConnell (his 4th) - which sent him to the bench and Garza to the line to make two FTs.
50/50 calls that probably could have gone either way:
16:47 - Mathis light contact on arm as Iowa player lost footing and fell down. Was not a push, and contact was made as player was already going down.
14:28 - Harper called for a foul battling for position underneath with Garza. Harper had his right hand around Garza's waist and left arm on Garza's back, while Garza had his left arm wrapped up and over Harper's left shoulder behind him. Could have been called either way or let go, as no player got an advantage on a long rebound - but Garza got the call, resulting in a made 1 and 1.
12:45 - Definite foul committed by Iowa on Yeboah as Mulcahy was trying to inbound, but Garza looked like he was holding him more than Evelyn was. Evelyn got the foul here, and it probably could have gone to either - break for Iowa that it wasn't on Garza.
Probably wouldn't have been called in the first half, but fit with officiating style of the second half:
18:49 - Harper defending Kriener with arms up along baseline under the basket. There was some contact there, but not really more than elsewhere under the basket in the second half.
16:40 - Johnson called for foul on Toussaint on hard hedge. Toussaint used off elbow to hook around Johnson's back, and then initiated contact with Johnson's up leg. Given the tightness of the second half, I think this had to be called - but given that Toussaint initiated contact and hooked around MJ, it could have gone the other way or been a no call. Was Johnson's 3rd foul and sent him to the bench for a while.
Overall, there wasn't too much that was egregious - but any expectations set up by the refs in the first half about what was/wasn't a foul were essentially reset, as the officiating was a different style after the break. It was almost like a different crew came in.
That said, just looking at the fouls called/uncalled in the the tighter start to the second half, and where I think the call may have been incorrect in some way:
What look like clear misses to me:
19:18 - Kriener moving screen tangles up Johnson as he tries to get out to Garza, resulted in a three pointer.
18:51 - Yeboah reaches in on Kriener on arm/chest, with no call.
18:38 - Johnson elbows Wieskamp in the head on a layup attempt and sent him to the floor with no call.
17:17 - Mathis hit on arm by two different players attempting to reach in on a layup. Based on the level of contact called on Yeboah less than a minute before, either of these should have been fouls. Still, we ended up with two points on the no call instead of a side out on a foul before the shot.
16:42 - Kriener hip checks Johnson on a moving screen with no call
15:23 - Kriener made hard contact with Carter and then fell down, resulting in Carter layup and no foul call.
What felt like questionable calls:
18:43 - Garza moving screen on Mathis. He set the screen to stop Mathis from coming over, then moved to block him from going under either.
13:52 - Very light contact by Mulcahy on a driving layup by Wieskamp, called for foul and one. Tied with the call just below this one as the lightest foul called that I saw on this rewatch.
13:08 - Some body contact between McConnell and Garza as both were going up for a rebound, and neither appeared to have clear position (they were sort of next to each other). Foul was called on McConnell (his 4th) - which sent him to the bench and Garza to the line to make two FTs.
50/50 calls that probably could have gone either way:
16:47 - Mathis light contact on arm as Iowa player lost footing and fell down. Was not a push, and contact was made as player was already going down.
14:28 - Harper called for a foul battling for position underneath with Garza. Harper had his right hand around Garza's waist and left arm on Garza's back, while Garza had his left arm wrapped up and over Harper's left shoulder behind him. Could have been called either way or let go, as no player got an advantage on a long rebound - but Garza got the call, resulting in a made 1 and 1.
12:45 - Definite foul committed by Iowa on Yeboah as Mulcahy was trying to inbound, but Garza looked like he was holding him more than Evelyn was. Evelyn got the foul here, and it probably could have gone to either - break for Iowa that it wasn't on Garza.
Probably wouldn't have been called in the first half, but fit with officiating style of the second half:
18:49 - Harper defending Kriener with arms up along baseline under the basket. There was some contact there, but not really more than elsewhere under the basket in the second half.
16:40 - Johnson called for foul on Toussaint on hard hedge. Toussaint used off elbow to hook around Johnson's back, and then initiated contact with Johnson's up leg. Given the tightness of the second half, I think this had to be called - but given that Toussaint initiated contact and hooked around MJ, it could have gone the other way or been a no call. Was Johnson's 3rd foul and sent him to the bench for a while.
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harper is pretty good at drawing fouls so we need him to play like that more often. i dont care that we lost despite his career high. i care that we scored way more than we normally do because of what he did last night. mighty effort. and above average FT shooter
Harper just got a nailed on that last break away and no call!!
You’ve earned a drink or two. WOW!
You’ve earned a drink or two. WOW!
Bac counting fouls is a dumb metric. Not all fouls are equal. Getting in the bonus so early changes the entire way the game is played. It doesn't "even out". That's not a serious thought process. Although I did get him to admit the reffing was poor in another thread so I'll take that as a win
I spoke with a good friend today who watched the game. He is also a long time big time ref. At the nj high school level but in lax. Does all the state tourneys and has for years,
I asked him about that T and the refs. His answer..." Oh well it definitely has an effect on you getting screamed at like that. Not that you're thinking of make up calls but you wonder if you made a bad call and then you're trying not to repeat it and get yelled at even more".
Pike needed to do his own.
He saw the big time change early first half.
And what do all baseball players ask? Its not a high or low or inside or outside strike zone. Its consistency.
The were lousy in that first part of 2H and changed everything. This isn't the NBA where every game is made to cone down to final 5 mins...or us it?
Still could have won despite it of course.b
I asked him about that T and the refs. His answer..." Oh well it definitely has an effect on you getting screamed at like that. Not that you're thinking of make up calls but you wonder if you made a bad call and then you're trying not to repeat it and get yelled at even more".
Pike needed to do his own.
He saw the big time change early first half.
And what do all baseball players ask? Its not a high or low or inside or outside strike zone. Its consistency.
The were lousy in that first part of 2H and changed everything. This isn't the NBA where every game is made to cone down to final 5 mins...or us it?
Still could have won despite it of course.b
Bardo most certainly said it more than once and it was during the stretch at the start of the second half where we got hosed by the refs
You pointed out several times there moving picks all night which were not called this is where Pikell has to work the refs
At which point whatever adjustments Pike made during halftime were already moot. And McConnell already had four fouls and had to change the way he was playing defense to stay on the floor, as did Johnson with three fouls... while Kriener only had one.
The dramatic change in officiating style swung the game hard after halftime, and changed the whole complexion of the contest. From the score, to the offensive and defensive strategies that needed to be employed, to how aggressive certain players could be, to shifts in momentum, etc.
To say that things swung back at the end of the game and made it all better is an oversimplification. Had the game been called consistently from tip to final whistle, things would have played out differently. Whether it was consistent all 40 minutes with the style of the first half or the style of the second half could easily account for a 10 to 15-point swing in either direction based on the preferred style of play for these two teams.
McCaffrey earned his money by getting the refs to change their approach for the second half to something that was more beneficial to his team's style of play. Hopefully over time Pike will gain enough cred / clout to be able to combat (or employ) that sort of gamesmanship in the future.
you dont know that because McCaffery could have adjusted to something else. McCafferys move was golden
do you admit RU got an extra basket at halftime and had an additional opportunity for 2 more..thats a potential 4 point swing there..pretty important
That's an extra basket unless your position is fran didn't deserve the T. Refs didn't give us that part. Fran did BAC.
They definitely should have called the foul that Iowa was trying to commit at the end of the half, because it was clear their intent was to foul to stop the clock and force a side out. But they hadn't called that level of contact for 20 minutes, either, so it fell in line with the swallow-the-whistle style they'd gone with the whole game to that point.
But it isn't about math of counting points that one team or the other benefited from, and adding/subtracting them from the final score.
That one no call was one of probably a dozen other fouls that weren't whistled in the first half - it really didn't stand out other than its timing right before the buzzer (which allowed a still-hot McCaffery to get in the refs face right after the half ended). Guys were getting knocked all to hell in a game with two very aggressive defenses, and neither team reached the bonus over 20 minutes. The style of officiating definitely benefited us in the first half, and it definitely benefited them in the second half... and it's almost certainly McCaffery yelling at them that was the driver for that change in style.
Which was a great move by him - sometimes you have to sacrifice a couple technical free throws, losing a skirmish to get a better chance at winning the war. It was almost like a lawyer winning a motion for change of venue to a place where his client would have a better chance at being acquitted.
Good for him - I just hope Pike eventually gets to a point where he has the ability to sway the officials in a similar way.
Was a close, hard fought game last night. Had great insight and conversations on our board with your fans that came over. Over here just a whole lot of talk about the refs. Was just expecting more detailed discussion about the game, not the refs. All of the RU fans that come to our board are very nice and respectful. I wasn’t trying to not be and apologize if it came off that way.
You guys have a good team. Really like how hard you play defense. Going to be a tough out for awhile for everyone in the league.
There's a lot of discussion about the game, too, if you poke around for it - tons of threads have been started since yesterday (rough count is about 65 threads that have been active since the end of the game). We tend to be all over the map. If you want more game analysis, I'd probably start with bac2therac's thread here, NewJerseyHawk's thread on being competitive on the road here, the thread on Johnson here, and the thread on key plays here.
I'd avoid the live game thread, this thread, the "we didn't get jobbed" thread, and a handful of others where the officiating talk has largely been concentrated.
The ref discussion has lingered because it's a "tale as old as time".... some posters on the board bend over backwards to perennially argue that officiating never has any impact on any game ever ever ever, some feel that style of officiating is just as much of a factor in a game as the offensive or defensive strategies employed by the coaches and is entirely fair game for discussion, some who feel like there's a vast cabal of officials that have secretive meetings on how best to conspire against Rutgers and keep us from succeeding, and countless of takes in between.
It's in no way unique to this game, so please don't take it as any type of knock on Iowa - you can find it after pretty much every game except those occasions where we get a *really* friendly whistle (like the PSU game this year)... and even then, you'll still find some people complaining that the refs hate us, even as they seemingly hand us a game on a platter.
Now add to that how the Iowa crowd was audibly upset at every little contact made on a white jersey player.
That has to have an affect over time..
I think McCaffery was correct and did the right thing.. he sent multiple players to go waste a foul at the end of the half.. no call.. they forced a travel on the ball handler.. also no call.. and we score because everyone stopped playing expecting a call. So go get that T... the refs KNEW they blew that.
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