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GAME 29 MICHIGAN: Fitting end

Yes.. late in the season winning matters at 14-15. If they won it was an entirely different recap which i had already started jotting notes on

Wait…you had an entirely different recap ready to go if the refs didn’t screw us twice in the last 6 seconds.

That’s absurd.

The right up shouldn’t be entirely different!
 
We played the number 13/15 team in the nation on their home court and had a lead with three seconds left for the kid hit a long buzzer beater to take us down. Super tough loss but all we get in the recap is criticism of the team. Not fair to the players. In my opinion, that is the juvenile mentality.
Bottom line it doesn't matter if the team loses by one point or by double digits.What maters is the team has a 14-15 record which means no NCAA bid and another likely losing season.Yes, referees can impact game results but so does poor defense and failure to make shots in the last minutes of games.A very concerning factor is the passive performance by Bailey and Harper at crunch time.If Sellers was on the court ,he would be screaming to the coaches and team mates to get him the ball.I want Bailey and Harper to take every shot except for put backs after missed shots.They have NBA talent and need to show it when it matters most.
 
Bac

To make my point clear

I’m not complaining About the refs so much, as to how the game was called did impact the game

The tight whistle was an advantage to Michigan …And it did impact the game

A looser whistle would very much have helped us

It’s up to us to adjust to this quicker than we did ….
 
All of what you say is true. Rutgers played like crap in the final 11 minutes.

But what is ALSO true is that Rutgers nonetheless wins if the refs make the MOST OBVIOUS traveling call in the history of college basketball with 3.3 seconds left. Full stop end of story.
Even the announcers said Michigan got away with a travel. Plus the clock didn’t start timely when Wolf caught the inbound . He caught the ball, took 1 dribble and 3 steps through a double team , and threw a bounce pass to Burnett, who posted up and took a 3 point shot all in less than 3.3 seconds.
 
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The difference in the body of work when healthy versus not is reallly stark. Definitely a tourney quality team when healthy. It’s really a shame. (That’s not to excuse the roster being thin or being overly reliant on freshmen but it’s a bummer).
The difference between us and Illinois who also was really affected by sickness was our team being so young and early bad losses.
 
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So if we went 18-20 in the last 11 minutes (instead of doing this in the first half) - what would your take be?
If? Why are you creating scenarios. Rutgers put up 3 fg in 11 minutes

If the shot missed and the team won they would get praise for surviving and advancing. That didn't happen. Wins and losses matter at this juncture of the season when you are sub 500
 
Wait…you had an entirely different recap ready to go if the refs didn’t screw us twice in the last 6 seconds.

That’s absurd.

The right up shouldn’t be entirely different!
A draft of thoughts um yeah..its late at night and I want to get thoughts down. I usually do that for road games

Yes winning and losing changes that

Scoring 3fg over 11 minutes changes write-ups

Winning matters.
 
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Blaming the refs for this season is weak and typical Rutgers. This team is very poorly constructed, poorly coached, and lacking B1G caliber players. The refs are about 50th on the list of reasons for our failures this season. Always amazing to me how people focus on the obscure and ignore the obvious to make themselves feel better.

Who is “blaming the refs for the season”?

What does that even mean ?
 
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Bottom line it doesn't matter if the team loses by one point or by double digits.What maters is the team has a 14-15 record which means no NCAA bid and another likely losing season.Yes, referees can impact game results but so does poor defense and failure to make shots in the last minutes of games.A very concerning factor is the passive performance by Bailey and Harper at crunch time.If Sellers was on the court ,he would be screaming to the coaches and team mates to get him the ball.I want Bailey and Harper to take every shot except for put backs after missed shots.They have NBA talent and need to show it when it matters most.
Great point. The disappearance of Ace/Dylan in the 2nd half was puzzling. I believe only 8 points combined. Looks like Ace was winded by the end of the game. I think Ace did a shot late. Dylan very passive late. The NBA stars come with alot of hype..they need to deliver in big moments. Its not a tough ask.
 
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Yea this is a GAME thread not a SEASON thread.

Are you that dumb?

Honestly something wrong with that guy? I don’t know what “blaming the refs for the season” even means. But what I can say is that there was no such assertion being made in this or any other thread on this board. honestly no friggin idea what this guy is talking about
 
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I always laugh when people say things like “loser mentality” on here as if the mindset of people watching the game from their couch 600 miles away has any bearing on how the team performs.

Rutgers needed one stop. The guys with the whistles missed a travel and a double dribble about two seconds apart that would have given them that stop. I think it’s pretty reasonable for people to be mad at them for missing those calls.
 
A draft of thoughts um yeah..its late at night and I want to get thoughts down. I usually do that for road games

Yes winning and losing changes that

Scoring 3fg over 11 minutes changes write-ups

Winning matters.

You said you had an “entirely different recap ready to go” if they won.

So essentially you’re admitting (without admitting) that the last 6 seconds of the game where the refs missed TWO blatant calls had a MASSIVE impact on the game.

Why?

Because if they made either one of those calls your game summary would have been “entirely different”.

Lol you literally make zero sense dude.

Your recap shouldn’t have been entirely different and so highly based on 6 seconds of play.
 
If? Why are you creating scenarios. Rutgers put up 3 fg in 11 minutes

If the shot missed and the team won they would get praise for surviving and advancing. That didn't happen. Wins and losses matter at this juncture of the season when you are sub 500

I’m not creating anything. I asked a simple question and you couldn’t answer it.

You keep harping on 3 fg in 11 minutes but are totally disregarding how we shot 18-20 in a stretch of the first half and 68% fg in the half.

A massive reason why we were up by 1 with seconds to go was because of our great first half. You can’t just disregard that.
 
You said you had an “entirely different recap ready to go” if they won.

So essentially you’re admitting (without admitting) that the last 6 seconds of the game where the refs missed TWO blatant calls had a MASSIVE impact on the game.

Why?

Because if they made either one of those calls your game summary would have been “entirely different”.

Lol you literally make zero sense dude.

Your recap shouldn’t have been entirely different and so highly based on 6 seconds of play.
Wins and losses and seasonal trends yup that matters

I certainly don't need to justify my recap process to you
 
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I’m not creating anything. I asked a simple question and you couldn’t answer it.

You keep harping on 3 fg in 11 minutes but are totally disregarding how we shot 18-20 in a stretch of the first half and 68% fg in the half.

A massive reason why we were up by 1 with seconds to go was because of our great first half. You can’t just disregard that.
First half is meaningless and I didn't acknowledge but apparently you can't read
 
We have all seen these games as RU fans. This year all too often. A ridiculous fools gold performance in the first half and the complete opposite in the 2nd half and then done in by a dagger at the buzzer that just guts any feeling in your body. Again this team is every bit of its 14-15. Its s an accurate reflection. The collapse in the 2nd half scoring only 8 points in 11 plus minutes with just 3 fg and going 9-36 in the 2nd half is not surprising because we have seen these stretches before in Pikes tenure and this season as well.

I talked about the blueprint was to just outscore the opponents and that is clearly what RU was going for. Are you kidding me? RU was 12-14 and dead in the water after listless performances at the RAC vs Iowa and on the road at Oregon. Sure beating the likes of Washington and USC in track meets felt good but was that sustainable. I do not think even the most optimistic Rutgers fan could have imagined the offensive tidal wave that hit Ann Arbor tonight. A scintillating first half offensive explosion that I am not sure any of us have ever seen. A barrage of 3s 8-15 in the first half and shooting nearly 70%. 57 freaking points in a half vs a team that only gave up 46 in their previous game. Its not even as if you could pinpoint what Michigan did wrong. I mean they were shooting over 50% themselves. It was as if everything RU threw up was going in after J Will banked a 3 in. In the end as I questioned...is this sustainable...you can win certain games like this you cannot win them all. You cannot win when you go cold and you cannot make stops and in the end RU could not make stops

Look at some eeriely similar type close games

Kennesaw LOSS 79-77
Notre Dame WIN 85-84 OT
Penn State WIN 80-76
Seton Hall WIN 66-63
Princeton LOSS 83-82
Nebraska WIN 85-82
Washington WIN 89-85 OT
Michigan LOSS 84-82

5-3 in games that went down to the absolute wire. There was nothing appreciably in the closing minutes that we didnt see in Vegas vs Notre Dame or vs Princeton or at Washington. All games played with total focus on outscoring the opponent and little on defense. You live by the sword you die by the sword. You win some close games. You lose some close games. The one constant is that Rutgers just isnt good enough to win enough close games to make them a tourney team. Michigan is now 9-0 in close games. Somehow having a knack....some coaching, some individual play making, some instinct, some grit and most of all confidence. Credit Michigan, they easily could have been frustrated by failing to slow down RUs offense. They became patient in the 2nd half and did it little by little

I do not think RU was confident in the last few minutes. The offense way out of wack. The wrong people shooting even before that and in the end we had J Will and Acuff taking our shots. How is it not Dylan or Ace....yes Acuff got fouled on the 3 and he had an incredble game but you want Dylan or Ace taking all your shots late. Unfortunately they didnt have great games that we need for RU to win. 13-25 fg shooting for 30 points is nothing to sneeze at but we needed more from them fair or not. Neither was good from 3...1-4 and Dylan was just 2-5 ft. They had 22 in the first half but just 8 in the 2nd. Yes guys like Summerville with 17 and fantastic at the line 7-7 stepped up and Acuff 4-8 from 3 for 16 points. The reality is RU did not deserve this game based on their play in the 2nd half. You cant just try to hang on. RU missed 11 straight shots over about 6 minutes and let the lead wittle from 12 to 4. In fact RU missed 3 shots up 74-62 and 3 chances to give RU a new biggest lead. Utter futility with Ace/Dylan pulling a disappearing act and guys like EO and Zak and Lathan taking the shots. Pike was powerless to stop the boulder rolling down the mountain and he likely waited too long once again to call a timeout. Rutgers didnt value their possessions and they got tight and lost any confidence. The so called stars wilted went it counted. Its not being harsh, these guys will be getting millions in the NBA next year.

A shame because RU was a missed shot away from being in the fringes of the bubble discussion and that would have been unbelievable but at least something to hope for. Instead the loss and how it happened is pretty fitting for this season. A reminder to never get too high on this team even when it does some nice things. A reminder that groundhogs are real and this season was not just meant to be. Rutgers was never truly going to get out the moment they were stuck in and there they are...14-15 and the what could have should have been comments are just meaningless at this point. This team never was and its bitterly disappointing for all of us.
I pointed out the same stuff you summarized in these paragraphs on my social media account.

Pikiell absolutely waited way too long to call a timeout to halt Michigan's 6-0 spurt. That's when you could sense things were going south for Rutgers.

Fans wanted to blame the refs instead.
 
I pointed out the same stuff you summarized in these paragraphs on my social media account.

Pikiell absolutely waited way too long to call a timeout to halt Michigan's 6-0 spurt. That's when you could sense things were going south for Rutgers.

Fans wanted to blame the refs instead.
The refs are such a side note to the huge collapse and Pike powerless to stop it

Last night spoke to how the season has gone and no one should be surprised we blew it after looking so good. A season of potential with a team that has played great basketball at times but not nearly enough of it to win games. Just not getting it done for a myriad of reasons
 
how do you overcome it when blatant blown calls give your opponent the ball for the last shot?
Some crazy thoughts, but.....

Play better (any) defense the entire game
Make a shot in the second half
Run a functional offense
Get the ball in the hands of your 2 top-3 NBA draft picks going down the stretch rather than let a bunch of mid-major scrubs throw up brick after brick
Bring a B1G caliber roster to fight in the first place

But yeah, those darn refs did us dirty once again! We were so close and they ruined our season!!!
 
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Harper and Bailey turned into freshmen in the final 5 mins. They don’t “suck” theyre freshmen. Problem is we have 0 veteran leadership on this team. JWill is the guy but he fumbles the ball too much in critical posessions
tired freshman

was calling for them to rest at the 12 minute mark.

When Dylan is tired he is not aggressive on the offensive end
 
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Some crazy thoughts, but.....

Play better (any) defense the entire game
Make a shot in the second half
Run a functional offense
Get the ball in the hands of your 2 top-3 NBA draft picks going down the stretch rather than let a bunch of mid-major scrubs throw up brick after brick
Bring a B1G caliber roster to fight in the first place

But yeah, those darn refs did us dirty once again! We were so close and they ruined our season!!!
find where I said they ruined the season, genius, and I'll admit to it

They fvcking lost us the game last night.
 
All of what you say is true. Rutgers played like crap in the final 11 minutes.

But what is ALSO true is that Rutgers nonetheless wins if the refs make the MOST OBVIOUS traveling call in the history of college basketball with 3.3 seconds left. Full stop end of story.
They didn't play like crap AT ALL in the 2nd half
They shot it terribly.
 
find where I said they ruined the season, genius, and I'll admit to it

They fvcking lost us the game last night.
Fine. Refs were well on the list of reasons why, but lets go with it. So F'ing what? How does it matter? It doesn't move the needle on the season. You are losing your mind over an insignificant reason we lost one game. Give it a rest.
 
sorry but not getting the officiating angle...sorry

if there was a travel late in the game there was also a missed travel on JaMike
there was also a phantom foul that Harper benefitted from

My takeaways
1. We HAD to be up more when we were ridiculously hot. We were 16-23 from the floor and only up 7. Our defense was attrocoius in the 1st hald and our defensive rebounding was BAD in 1st 15 or so minutes
2. We played one of our best halves of the year in the 2nd half. Our defense was pretty good. We rebounded. We got good shots and shared the ball, but we shot it 2023-2024 on our worst day BAD.
3. Pike made a monumental mistake not giving Ace and Dyan decent rest in the 2nd half. The game actually turned in the 1st half when they both sat. Dylan looked tired at the 12 minute media TO and that would have been a perfect time to give them BOTH a rest. Down the stretch they both had a tank on E and didn't make plays. Had Pike rested them we would have won I believe.
 
Fine. Refs were well on the list of reasons why, but lets go with it. So F'ing what? How does it matter? It doesn't move the needle on the season. You are losing your mind over an insignificant reason we lost one game. Give it a rest.
you give it a rest . You're another one who is so hardheaded you can't admit when they refs screw us.

I'm not giving it a rest so ignore me if you don't like what I say.

here it is again. THE REFS FVCKED US LAST NIGHT.
 
Very questionable calls - or lack of calls at end of game - to say the least !

Game was lost however midway thru 2nd half when offense went stagnant and players were shooting horrible 3s etc and settling for low % shots

Typical Rutgers when the offense is magnificent in H1 and only 20 minutes later it reverts to decrepit BB.

Losing teams find ways to lose which Rutgers found another way last night !

To me , it’s a terrible loss but in the whole scheme of things - nothing changes unless the squad wins the BTT !
 
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sorry but not getting the officiating angle...sorry

if there was a travel late in the game there was also a missed travel on JaMike
there was also a phantom foul that Harper benefitted from

My takeaways
1. We HAD to be up more when we were ridiculously hot. We were 16-23 from the floor and only up 7. Our defense was attrocoius in the 1st hald and our defensive rebounding was BAD in 1st 15 or so minutes
2. We played one of our best halves of the year in the 2nd half. Our defense was pretty good. We rebounded. We got good shots and shared the ball, but we shot it 2023-2024 on our worst day BAD.
3. Pike made a monumental mistake not giving Ace and Dyan decent rest in the 2nd half. The game actually turned in the 1st half when they both sat. Dylan looked tired at the 12 minute media TO and that would have been a perfect time to give them BOTH a rest. Down the stretch they both had a tank on E and didn't make plays. Had Pike rested them we would have won I believe.
9-36 fg 1-10fg..stop with one of our best halves. We were outscored 22-8 in last 11:14..that's not best half material
 
sorry but not getting the officiating angle...sorry

if there was a travel late in the game there was also a missed travel on JaMike

The end of game with 5 seconds left there is such a high leverage spot that there is nothing the officials could’ve done earlier in the game that could compensate for that. Missing a travel earlier in the game is not comparable.

Obviously we’ve had similar stuff happen in our favor in different games for example at the end of the Nebraska game last year I think we pretty clearly fouled that Japanese guy on his final shot attempt and it didn’t get called.

The larger problem is that basketball officiating generally goes to complete shit at the end of close games as the refs freeze up and are terrified of “impacting the game”
 
The end of game with 5 seconds left there is such a high leverage spot that there is nothing the officials could’ve done earlier in the game that could compensate for that. Missing a travel earlier in the game is not comparable.

Obviously we’ve had similar stuff happen in our favor in different games for example at the end of the Nebraska game last year I think we pretty clearly fouled that Japanese guy on his final shot attempt and it didn’t get called.

The larger problem is that basketball officiating generally goes to complete shit at the end of close games as the refs freeze up and are terrified of “impacting the game”
well if they really wanted to **** us like some say they could have not called the foul on the Acuff 3 and i havent seen a replay but i am sure he was fouled and they should have called it..yet everytime we foul a guy shooting a 3, rutgers fans say aah he didnt even touch him
 
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