GAME 29 MICHIGAN: Fitting end

[fluoxetine]

well if they really wanted to **** us like some say they could have not called the foul on the Acuff 3 and i havent seen a replay but i am sure he was fouled and they should have called it..yet everytime we foul a guy shooting a 3, rutgers fans say aah he didnt even touch him

I’m not claiming they wanted to **** us, I’m claiming they did **** us by making a blatant error in the opponent’s favor in an extremely high leverage spot.

For sure there is a LOT of bullshit complaining here about officiating but you can’t really deny the impact of that one.

For sure we have benefited before, in different games, but we got ****ed in this one.

My general rule for how officiating is:
If you feel it was in your favor the other team probably got ****ed
If you feel it was fair it was probably a bit in your favor
If you feel it was a bit against you it was probably fair
If your fans are still dissecting the ****age in extreme detail in multiple threads the next day you probably really did get ****ed


We all are super biased

 

[bac2therac]

shooting is random...we got bad cards. we made all the right decisions. By in large we played hard in the 2nd half.

Bad cards..looking who was shooting

8 points in half from 2 nba players

No timeout during critical swing

Eo never should have been on that court let alone taking shots

 

[Loyal_2RU]

They didn't play like crap AT ALL in the 2nd half
They shot it terribly.

They didn't pass. Ball stuck. 10 minutes or more not getting it to Ace in scoring position. They played much worse offensively

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

They didn't pass. Ball stuck. 10 minutes or more not getting it to Ace in scoring position. They played much worse offensively

One thing I will say....and added it to the thread where we debated.....multiple times Ace penetrated and passed. If anything he overpassed (which I am OK with).

I AM NOT GOING TO BACK ON PEACOCK AND LOOK AT ALL 72 OFFENSIVE POSSESSIONS!!!!!!!!!! I think the quality of looks from half 1 to half 2 wasn't much different. I would need to rewatch the game to say that with higher confidence.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Bad cards..looking who was shooting

8 points in half from 2 nba players

No timeout during critical swing

Eo never should have been on that court let alone taking shots

EO was a +13 in the 1st half (mostly not his doing admitedly). His entry stopped UM from killing us on the boards. At one point UM OREB'd 6 of their 9 misses. That stopped when he came in.

EO is an ABSOLUTE TRAIN WRECK on O though. The worst part is he hustles more than anyone in transition.....and that hurts us!

 

[RAC93]

@bac2therac i’ll take the bait you tossed out last night as I am curious, you mentioned that if Rutgers had beaten Michigan that they would have entered the at large bubble picture (obviously with a lot more work to do). For my curiosity sake, where would you have had them as far as how many teams would have been ahead of them at that point? Not sure how far down your bubble list goes and how many teams, assuming they would have been at the bottom of it.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

@fluoxetine there was a study done debunking the hot hand. We need one on the benefits of calling timeouts to stop runs.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The Sahm Rule is a real-time recession indicator developed by economist Claudia Sahm. It signals the start of a recession when:

The three-month moving average of the unemployment rate increases by 0.5 percentage points or more above its lowest level in the past 12 months.

The fluox rule is a past indicator developed by message board GOD fluoxitine. It signals if you got fvcked by the officials

If you feel it was in your favor the other team probably got ****ed
If you feel it was fair it was probably a bit in your favor
If you feel it was a bit against you it was probably fair
If your fans are still dissecting the ****age in extreme detail in multiple threads the next day you probably really did get ****ed

 

[Loyal_2RU]

One thing I will say....and added it to the thread where we debated.....multiple times Ace penetrated and passed. If anything he overpassed (which I am OK with).

I AM NOT GOING TO BACK ON PEACOCK AND LOOK AT ALL 72 OFFENSIVE POSSESSIONS!!!!!!!!!! I think the quality of looks from half 1 to half 2 wasn't much different. I would need to rewatch the game to say that with higher confidence.

He never once passed and got the ball back.
Or was peacock to me to watch one i noticed it

 

[bac2therac]

@bac2therac i’ll take the bait you tossed out last night as I am curious, you mentioned that if Rutgers had beaten Michigan that they would have entered the at large bubble picture (obviously with a lot more work to do). For my curiosity sake, where would you have had them as far as how many teams would have been ahead of them at that point? Not sure how far down your bubble list goes and how many teams, assuming they would have been at the bottom of it.

at 15-14 they would have 4 wins vs the field...only 1 high level at Michigan. The other wins of note, UCLA, Illinois and at Nebraska

5-11 in Q1, 3-1 in Q2 for 8-12 and 9-14 in Q3 which is obviously bad with 2 Q3 losses. Maybe the NET might be a spot or two higher with a win...72/73

at 15-14 I would probably have them about 13th team out still behind the likes of Wake, Villanova, San Francisco, TCU who are my 9-12th teams out.

Certainly longshot status...would get another high level Q1 win at Purdue and a 5th win vs the field and then a Q3 win at Minny

17-14...NET probably in 62-65 range. 6-11 in Q1, 3-1 in Q2 for an acceptable 9-12 in Q1/2...the 11-14 in Q3 is problematic..thats where the bad losses to Princeton and Kennesaw hold everything back. One loss would have been alright....18-13 right smack on the cut line either way and maybe getting the nod because of Dylan injuries.

17-14 probably gets them somewhere around last 4/6 out but then compare them to possible other 18-13/17-14s like Baylor, Texas, Georgia, Indiana, Ohio State

 

[RUtrumpet92]

17-14 probably gets them somewhere around last 4/6 out but then compare them to possible other 18-13/17-14s like Baylor, Texas, Georgia, Indiana, Ohio State

If we had gotten the W last night and finished 17-14. that would've given the committee enough ammo IMO to give us the benefit of the doubt IF they really wanted the Dylan and Ace show to get exposure in the Big Dance. Every year, someone gets in/out that would not have made it based on the previous year's stated criteria.

We would have been 6-11 in Q1 with two road wins over top 15/20 programs. They could explain away some of the losses because of the injuries/illnesses to Ace and Dylan likely costing us at least one, and likely 2+, wins.

We also would be 10-10 with a real chance at that 9 seed and the first round bye, making the B1G magical run more realistic.

Oh well. We have to console ourselves with knowing this team when healthy is capable of competing with anyone else in the conference. Get in the B1G tournament and go on that magical run.

 

[bac2therac]

If we had gotten the W last night and finished 17-14. that would've given the committee enough ammo IMO to give us the benefit of the doubt IF they really wanted the Dylan and Ace show to get exposure in the Big Dance. Every year, someone gets in/out that would not have made it based on the previous year's stated criteria.

We would have been 6-11 in Q1 with two road wins over top 15/20 programs. They could explain away some of the losses because of the injuries/illnesses to Ace and Dylan likely costing us at least one, and likely 2+, wins.

We also would be 10-10 with a real chance at that 9 seed and the first round bye, making the B1G magical run more realistic.

Oh well. We have to console ourselves with knowing this team when healthy is capable of competing with anyone else in the conference. Get in the B1G tournament and go on that magical run.

the 11-14 mark vs Q1/2/3. You want that to be close to 500. I could see 12-13 but 3 games under is alot and then you look at who those loses were to. I think Princeton NET now down to 165

 

[FAT MOON]

shooting is random...we got bad cards. we made all the right decisions. By in large we played hard in the 2nd half.

I think many (most) on this board and fans in general are just results driven. Shot goes in...good play, good player, good coach, good team. Shot misses...player sucks, no offense, fire coach, team is horrendous.

I (like you seem to be) am process driven. Plenty of good possessions on O result in 0 points. Plenty of good possessions on D result in 2 or 3 points against. This is sports. We played a very very good game last night imo. Which is only way you are gonna beat a top 15 team on the road. Lost at the end on some bad luck combo'd with a very good team who just seems to find a way to win hitting a dagger.

For sure most of the anger coming from posters is season driven not last night driven. I'd like to think that even the most pessimistic fan these days was proud of the effort they saw from the team last night.

 

[rudad02]

There is a thread. You posted in it, but made zero mention of the refs.

Your problem is and always has been failing to realize multiple things can be true.

We failed to execute well in the last few minutes, but the refs phucking blew…and cost us the game.

You realize you can still win games when you fail to execute well, right?

If you want people to take these summaries seriously after a game like this then you damn we’ll need to address the reffing, which was a major factor in this game.

Amen!!!

 

[fluoxetine]

@fluoxetine there was a study done debunking the hot hand. We need one on the benefits of calling timeouts to stop runs.

FWIW I think there is some hot hand but it all gets squandered by the hot players forcing worse shots than usual.

There’s basically no statistical evidence for the concept of momentum so calling a timeout should really be dependent on what you see your players doing on the court. If they are getting frustrated and making bad plays, timeout time.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

FWIW I think there is some hot hand but it all gets squandered by the hot players forcing worse shots than usual.

1000%

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He never once passed and got the ball back.
Or was peacock to me to watch one i noticed it

I hate the 30 second shot clock...

Something I do want to keep an eye on......Ace was open a few times down low and the same person did NOT pass it to him.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

I hate the 30 second shot clock...

Something I do want to keep an eye on......Ace was open a few times down low and the same person did NOT pass it to him.

JWill was worst offender. Even Dylan should have passed to him occasionally. That need to okay interactively not in parallel or serially

 

[goru7]

Some crazy thoughts, but.....

Play better (any) defense the entire game
Make a shot in the second half
Run a functional offense
Get the ball in the hands of your 2 top-3 NBA draft picks going down the stretch rather than let a bunch of mid-major scrubs throw up brick after brick
Bring a B1G caliber roster to fight in the first place

But yeah, those darn refs did us dirty once again! We were so close and they ruined our season!!!

How stupid do you sound like ? Those mid major scrubs , Sommerville , Acuff actually played well and maybe you forgot but we were leading 74-62 with 10 minutes left over a team that the services say was a ranked team.(13/15) We controlled that game and deserved to win and Michigan deserved the loss. Pike sat Dylan for 2 long and all of a sudden Acuff and Somerville and JMike couldn’t hit a thing with open looks down the stretch . manny had a dunk that somehow gets blocked and misses on another opportunity with ACE making another good pass.

Pike ran 2 plays for Acuff’s threes that didn’t go down. We seem to deviate from our best course which is Dylan with the ball going downhill. Still ACE makes a shot for the lead , Acuff hits 2-3 for the lead and some strange things happened in last 15 seconds for a gut wrenching loss. The fact you can see the game any other way , is mind boggling to say the truth

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

JWill was worst offender. Even Dylan should have passed to him occasionally. That need to okay interactively not in parallel or serially

J Will sometimes yes, but not the guy I have my eye on. Dylan and Ace seem to be somewhat tight.

 

[ru66]

Its not my thing to bellyache about the refs. Its just another excuse among many to as why RU didnt get it done this year. One excuse after the other. No one was talking about the favorable refs vs USC. Michigan was an awful 21-32 at the line by the way. The refs didnt cause RU to score only 8 points...3fg in 11:14. To me the story of the game isnt the refs. If people dont like it fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Haven't read this whole thread ( not even a little )but what I'm sure of is that Bac always finds it's difficult to defend anything Rutgers. And it has nothing to do with constructive criticism. If one analyzed the hundreds of thousands of words Bac has written very few defend, support or praise RU. So why expect him to mention bad ref calls, it doesn't support his usual BS. Again,with friends like him who needs enemies. If you're only a loyal fan when RU wins then what really are you. Not sure even after a win that's he supports RU. Year's ago when he was bitching about bad sidewalk shoveling at the Rac I kidded about him losing the RU contract to shovel snow now I'm thinking that's maybe his grudge. There's got to be something ?

 

[zebnatto]

Fools goal shooting and 3 fg last 11 minutes. No shows late and poor coaching. It would have been different if it was a slugfest team trading shots but it wasn't. 2nd half was slow death over last 11 minutes where Michigan totally outplayed RU outscoring them 22-8. Sorry I'm not focusing on that excellent play before that because the 11 minutes including the last play was the game

Yes.. late in the season winning matters at 14-15. If they won it was an entirely different recap which i had already started jotting notes on

In my opinion, the problem is that it wasn’t a game recap. It was a lament about how the game turned out, which was decided in the final second. A recap if you think of a recap as you would recap a baseball game, objectively reports what occurred inning by inning. Not that the team collapsed or not that the team was lousy or disappointing because The last batter hit a walk off home run against you. Especially if there was wide spread belief that he had had clearly been struck out on a pitch that was missed by the umpire. That’s a recap of the last minute, but that does not make it a recap of the game and to say that winds matter is kind of insulting as though any of us here Are posting without concern over the fact that we lost the game. That’s what we’re all extremely disappointed in

 

[bac2therac]

In my opinion, the problem is that it wasn’t a game recap. It was a lament about how the game turned out, which was decided in the final second. A recap if you think of a recap as you would recap a baseball game, objectively reports what occurred inning by inning. Not that the team collapsed or not that the team was lousy or disappointing because The last batter hit a walk off home run against you. Especially if there was wide spread belief that he had had clearly been struck out on a pitch that was missed by the umpire. That’s a recap of the last minute, but that does not make it a recap of the game and to say that winds matter is kind of insulting as though any of us here Are posting without concern over the fact that we lost the game. That’s what we’re all extremely disappointed in

dude i dont get paid, the recap dont write themselves and at 11;30 PM and after a buzzer beater loss in a disappointing shitty season you are not going to get a happy or positive recap or even a good well written recap...in fact the teams shoddy play all year long has made making these recaps painful and not fun.

the team literally hit 3 baskets in over 11 minutes...8 points in all...thats bad...it wiped out all the fools gold first half stuff

 

[ru66]

dude i dont get paid, the recap dont write themselves and at 11;30 PM and after a buzzer beater loss in a disappointing shitty season you are not going to get a happy or positive recap or even a good well written recap...in fact the teams shoddy play all year long has made making these recaps painful and not fun.

Then wait till the next day-- you're supposed t be a perfectionist, aren't you?

 

[bac2therac]

Then wait till the next day-- you're supposed t be a perfectionist, aren't you?

im hardly going to listen to you for advice

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

im hardly going to listen to you for advice

not sure why he rides you.....just put him on ignore.

best invention since those magic erasers that clean smudge marks off walls

 

[bac2therac]

not sure why he rides you.....just put him on ignore.

best invention since those magic erasers that clean smudge marks off walls

He adds nothing to this board. I enjoy I trigger him

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He adds nothing to this board. I enjoy I trigger him

not supposed to admit that

 

[bac2therac]

not supposed to admit that

Well he is such a easy mark

 

[Mr_Twister]

College basketball gawd getting even with Michigan today.

 

[Bayonnebomber79]

College basketball gawd getting even with Michigan today.

That's a shame!

 

[RUJMM78]

Illinois destroyed Michigan by 20 points.

 

[RUDivision]

FWIW I think there is some hot hand but it all gets squandered by the hot players forcing worse shots than usual.

There’s basically no statistical evidence for the concept of momentum so calling a timeout should really be dependent on what you see your players doing on the court. If they are getting frustrated and making bad plays, timeout time.

You would need on the road vs home..

It’s simple so you believe in momentum or home court in sports??

If you answer is yes. THEN you have to believe in the use of a timeout to stop a run.

If your answer is No to the above then you don’t care about using a timeout.

Pike! Call the timeout!!! Especially on the road.

 

[fluoxetine]

You would need on the road vs home..

It’s simple so you believe in momentum or home court in sports??

If you answer is yes. THEN you have to believe in the use of a timeout to stop a run.

If your answer is No to the above then you don’t care about using a timeout.

Pike! Call the timeout!!! Especially on the road.

I believe in home court advantage (there is tons of evidence for home court advantage). I don’t believe in momentum in the way most people do.

I also don’t think much of the home court advantage comes from crowd volume impacting the players. It comes from the crowd influencing the refs as well as factors like travel and teams being less comfortable away from their home court. All this to say I don’t think home vs away should impact your timeout strategy too much.

 

[ru66]

not sure why he rides you.....just put him on ignore.

best invention since those magic erasers that clean smudge marks off walls

You must have already have put me on ignore if you never read my reasons why I consider Bac a hypocrite, a guy who never finds anything positive about RU and in actuality goes out of his way to find BS to criticize RU , sports related or not.

 

[ru66]

Oh by the way , I never appreciated him and his brother doing the macho thing, threatening to beat someone up. Aholes. who threaten anyone especially not knowing what they might be getting into,show their stupidity.

 

[bac2therac]

Oh by the way , I never appreciated him and his brother doing the macho thing, threatening to beat someone up. Aholes. who threaten anyone especially not knowing what they might be getting into,show their stupidity.

lies old man

bring your receipts

 

[RUDivision]

I believe in home court advantage (there is tons of evidence for home court advantage). I don’t believe in momentum in the way most people do.

I also don’t think much of the home court advantage comes from crowd volume impacting the players. It comes from the crowd influencing the refs as well as factors like travel and teams being less comfortable away from their home court. All this to say I don’t think home vs away should impact your timeout strategy too much.

Makes sense from your data driven point of view and approach.

 

[ru66]

lies old man

bring your receipts

I don't lie, so you're saying you and your bro roc never threatened to meet me at a game and " smack me down" and I didnt reply online to go screw youselves ?And you don't have a long history of attacking RU from shoveling sidewalks to consessions. Receipts my wrinkly old ass per rocktherac.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't lie, so you're saying you and your bro roc never threatened to meet me at a game and " smack me down" and I didnt reply online to go screw youselves ?And you don't have a long history of attacking RU from shoveling sidewalks to consessions. Receipts my wrinkly old ass per rocktherac.

Nope check your hearing. You have a beef with someone else . Take it up with him not me.

Who gives a shit about complaints about sidewalks. I love you panties are knotted over it. I saw President Mc Cormick's wife slip and fall on ice not salted back in the day. Do you work for RU snow removal. If so they should have laid you off years ago.