7 wins,4, then 2..can't expect more than 4 then 6 in 2017 and 2018

[Scarlet Shack]

That's my realistic thinking

the youth movement begins in force next year...

I expect 13-15 true frosh in the two deep by the last game of 2017...so very young

but think Gio will develop,so our offense will be more functionable (especially if grant does return which I am not couning on) ....and we can find four wins with two lay ups (morgan state and Eastern Michigan) and two big ten wins out the four winnable conference games of Purdue, Maryland, at Illinois and at Indiana

So think FOUR in 2017

THEN

if we recruit the class of 2018 as well as the class of 2017 I expect 28-30 of the 44 two deep will be true soph, redshirt frosh, or true frosh for the last game...the youth movemebt really takes hold...but we have better atletes on the field

Thinking a senior Gio will develop...Kansas replaces Washington so hope for a 3-0 out of conference start with Buffalo and Texas State and that we can find three league wins with Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana visiting, Maryland on the road, and Penn State late as the upset game that gets this program its first bowl eligibility in four years

Let's focus on these possible, realistic goals and thinking...setting up the program for a possible jump up in years 4-6 of the chris Ash era

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I am pretty realistic and I like our chances in 2018 to return to a bowl game. Once we do that there will be no turning back, we can look back at these years and cringe but still be happy that it is in the past.

The schedule is (on paper anyway, who know who will be having a up or down year in 2018) is easier than this year and next year.

If we can keep the best players in this class (so far so good) and maybe add a few more, we will be well on our way.

The schools in the Big Ten better enjoy getting their easy wins against us while they still can.

 

[RURM85]

If they can win 4 next year (2 out of 4 against Purdue, Indiana, Illnois, Maryland), and at least play somewhat competitive football even for 1 half against some of the big dogs, I would say that's improvement and should be a reasonable expectation. I also agree 2018 is crucial to return to a bowl game.

What happened this year against Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, 1st half of Washington is hard to accept in all cases for next year. Play a few of those games competitively even for awhile and improvement will be seen.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

If they can win 4 next year (2 out of 4 against Purdue, Indiana, Illnois, Maryland), and at least play somewhat competitive football even for 1 half against some of the big dogs, I would say that's improvement and should be a reasonable expectation. I also agree 2018 is crucial to return to a bowl game.

What happened this year against Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, 1st half of Washington is hard to accept in all cases for next year. Play a few of those games competitively even for awhile and improvement will be seen.

Any score against Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State would be considered an improvement. We play OSU and MSU at home and Michigan at the Big House. OSU should be even better next year (welp) Michigan might take a small step back, MSU is a bit of a wildcard. Rutgers nearly beat MSU when they were really good and got blown out when they were really bad.. so I can't even guess what will happen there.

Washington is at home but it will be very hard to beat them.

But the rest of the schedule will have some chances for wins as long as everything comes together for us. But with our seniors gone and many new faces, it is hard to say how good we will be next year.

 

[Knight Shift]

Can't understand what the title is supposed to mean?
7 wins,4, then 2..can't expect more than 4 then 6 in 2017 and 2018

 

[knightfan7]

That's my realistic thinking

the youth movement begins in force next year...

I expect 13-15 true frosh in the two deep by the last game of 2017...so very young

but think Gio will develop,so our offense will be more functionable (especially if grant does return which I am not couning on) ....and we can find four wins with two lay ups (morgan state and Eastern Michigan) and two big ten wins out the four winnable conference games of Purdue, Maryland, at Illinois and at Indiana

So think FOUR in 2017

THEN

if we recruit the class of 2018 as well as the class of 2017 I expect 28-30 of the 44 two deep will be true soph, redshirt frosh, or true frosh for the last game...the youth movemebt really takes hold...but we have better atletes on the field

Thinking a senior Gio will develop...Kansas replaces Washington so hope for a 3-0 out of conference start with Buffalo and Texas State and that we can find three league wins with Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana visiting, Maryland on the road, and Penn State late as the upset game that gets this program its first bowl eligibility in four years

Let's focus on these possible, realistic goals and thinking...setting up the program for a possible jump up in years 4-6 of the chris Ash era

Sorry Shack but you could write a 10 page thesis and all it'd mean it it's realistic to you. You leave out any analysis of opponents which would have a huge effect on the record. Why?

There is no way to predict a record with any certainty right now. You don't know what will happen from now till September. Players coming, players going, injuries, suspensions, coaching changes, weather, and opponent schedules among other things will all play a part.

 

[kjb32812]

Illinois loses a ton and you get them at home. We'll see how you do against Maryland this year but they return a lot of kids and I have to think Hill will be the starter from Day One. You'd be better off getting them earlier in the year but you don't. Playing them at Yankee Stadium didn't exactly do you any favors.

 

[knightfan7]

Illinois loses a ton and you get them at home. We'll see how you do against Maryland this year but they return a lot of kids and I have to think Hill will be the starter from Day One. You'd be better off getting them earlier in the year but you don't. Playing them at Yankee Stadium didn't exactly do you any favors.

A voice of reason from across the Delaware.

Most analysis here begins and ends on Rutgers side of the LOS.

 

[RURM85]

Any score against Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State would be considered an improvement. We play OSU and MSU at home and Michigan at the Big House. OSU should be even better next year (welp) Michigan might take a small step back, MSU is a bit of a wildcard. Rutgers nearly beat MSU when they were really good and got blown out when they were really bad.. so I can't even guess what will happen there.

Washington is at home but it will be very hard to beat them.

But the rest of the schedule will have some chances for wins as long as everything comes together for us. But with our seniors gone and many new faces, it is hard to say how good we will be next year.

No expectations of beating Ohio State, Michigan, Washington, Nebraksa (in Lincoln) next year. I'm also not measuring playing competitive football on points differential from this year to next year. If we lose to Michigan next year 56-10 and are out of the game after the 1st quarter, the 32 points plus difference compared to this year means nothing.

For improvement, somewhere along the path the team needs to play a few of these top conference teams tough meaning it's the 3rd quarter and we're ahead by a few points or we're down by a TD and within striking distance. If all 4 of these games results in packing it in by the first quarter and getting blown out, regardless of score, not convinced the team's overall record of a few additional wins means improvement on the field.

 

[kjb32812]

A voice of reason from across the Delaware.

Most analysis here begins and ends on Rutgers side of the LOS.

It does everywhere my man.

When you look at Maryland's depth chart and what they have coming in they have some legit talent on paper. That offensive line could be downright scary if they can find a QB. Pigrome simply isn't the answer LT but he is getting some great experience because of Hills being constantly banged up. Excellent athlete but he can't throw for shat.

I think next year is actually going to look similar to this year for you. Two wins in the B1G would be a big improvement. If you have that many true FR in the two deep then you're in trouble.

 

[Leonard23]

That's my realistic thinking

the youth movement begins in force next year...

I expect 13-15 true frosh in the two deep by the last game of 2017...so very young

but think Gio will develop,so our offense will be more functionable (especially if grant does return which I am not couning on) ....and we can find four wins with two lay ups (morgan state and Eastern Michigan) and two big ten wins out the four winnable conference games of Purdue, Maryland, at Illinois and at Indiana

So think FOUR in 2017

THEN

if we recruit the class of 2018 as well as the class of 2017 I expect 28-30 of the 44 two deep will be true soph, redshirt frosh, or true frosh for the last game...the youth movemebt really takes hold...but we have better atletes on the field

Thinking a senior Gio will develop...Kansas replaces Washington so hope for a 3-0 out of conference start with Buffalo and Texas State and that we can find three league wins with Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana visiting, Maryland on the road, and Penn State late as the upset game that gets this program its first bowl eligibility in four years

Let's focus on these possible, realistic goals and thinking...setting up the program for a possible jump up in years 4-6 of the chris Ash era

How do you see recruiting going to close out this class & with the 2018 class if that plays out & we win 2-4 games this yr & 4 next yr? Are we closing with a top 25 or 30 class this year & next year with all that losing?

 

[RURM85]

Illinois loses a ton and you get them at home. We'll see how you do against Maryland this year but they return a lot of kids and I have to think Hill will be the starter from Day One. You'd be better off getting them earlier in the year but you don't. Playing them at Yankee Stadium didn't exactly do you any favors.

next year's game with Illinois is in Champaign. However, we do get Purdue at home. Here's hoping for the best.

 

[RUinOhio]

2014 7 wins
2015 4 wins
2016 2 wins

2017 4 wins expected
2018 6 wins expected.

I'm bored at work

Can't understand what the title is supposed to mean?
7 wins,4, then 2..can't expect more than 4 then 6 in 2017 and 2018

 

[knightfan7]

It does everywhere my man.

When you look at Maryland's depth chart and what they have coming in they have some legit talent on paper. That offensive line could be downright scary if they can find a QB. Pigrome simply isn't the answer LT but he is getting some great experience because of Hills being constantly banged up. Excellent athlete but he can't throw for shat.

I think next year is actually going to look similar to this year for you. Two wins in the B1G would be a big improvement. If you
have that many true FR in the two deep then you're in trouble.

You can debate good or bad but right now there are as many as 9 starters on D back next year. Only 2 of them will use up their last YOE in '17. I can't see more than 1 or 2 at the most losing their job to Frosh. 6 of the 7 DB's seeing most of the PT all have at least 2 years left as do all 3 starting LB's. Rutgers D will not be young in terms of experience at least on the 1st Team. Backups are another story.

On offense there'll likely be only one 5th Yr Sr on the OL. The OT's are young but at least they'll have 17 starts between them. The projected TE played some at Miami before transferring but mostly on ST's. WR will get a huge boost if Grant comes back. Otherwise they will be young but as we've seen many true frosh make their name at WR. RB's are veteran. It'll be interesting to see how Ash handles QB. Once gain the backups will be young all over the squad.

I don't know how it will translate into wins and losses but RU will have a fair amount of experience despite whatever class they're in. Of course if the injury bug hits all best are off.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

That's my realistic thinking

the youth movement begins in force next year...

I expect 13-15 true frosh in the two deep by the last game of 2017...so very young

That's a shit-TON of true frosh on the 2-deep. I, as much as anybody, knows we need a serious talent/athleticism infusion, however, that's asking a lot IMHO. I can see 13-15 RS's being burned, next season, but have a feeling a few of those will be ST's for the most part. That's really asking a lot, don't ya' think?

 

[kjb32812]

You can debate good or bad but right now there are as many as 9 starters on D back next year. Only 2 of them will use up their last YOE in '17. I can't see more than 1 or 2 at the most losing their job to Frosh. 6 of the 7 DB's seeing most of the PT all have at least 2 years left as do all 3 starting LB's. Rutgers D will not be young in terms of experience at least on the 1st Team. Backups are another story.

On offense there'll likely be only one 5th Yr Sr on the OL. The OT's are young but at least they'll have 17 starts between them. The projected TE played some at Miami before transferring but mostly on ST's. WR will get a huge boost if Grant comes back. Otherwise they will be young but as we've seen many true frosh make their name at WR. RB's are veteran. It'll be interesting to see how Ash handles QB. Once gain the backups will be young all over the squad.

I don't know how it will translate into wins and losses but RU will have a fair amount of experience despite whatever class they're in. Of course if the injury bug hits all best are off.

Interesting, thanks.

As long as you can keep some experience on the OL and DL (and hopefully LB) you can always fill in around them. Is Seymour going to stay on offense? How has he looked?

 

[kjb32812]

That's a shit-TON of true frosh on the 2-deep. I, as much as anybody, knows we need a serious talent/athleticism infusion, however, that's asking a lot IMHO. I can see 13-15 RS's being burned, next season, but have a feeling a few of those will be ST's for the most part. That's really asking a lot, don't ya' think?

You could probably list out the FR and make a guess based on position. Not sure you want to be burning a ton of RS just so someone can play STs.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You could probably list out the FR and make a guess based on position. Not sure you want to be burning a ton of RS just so someone can play STs.

Ash coach's the way Urban does: you earn your way through ST's. We'll see I next year about that, for sure, I'd guess.

 

[kjb32812]

Ash coach's the way Urban does: you earn your way through ST's. We'll see I next year about that, for sure, I'd guess.

The problem I would have with that if I were an RU fan is that Urbs is bringing in a ton of kids who aren't going to be there for four or five years. Ash is not.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

The problem I would have with that if I were an RU fan is that Urbs is bringing in a ton of kids who aren't going to be there for four or five years. Ash is not.

Agree, no question, but when you watch the game tomorrow night you will notice there is a SEVERE lack of athleticism on our roster right now and it really shows on ST's. Big, big problems there all season long (especially without Gran returning punts and kicks). So, for 1 season, we may need to burn more than a dozen 'shirts as true frosh, unfortunately, so Shack might be right with those #'s.

 

[MADHAT1]

Ash coach's the way Urban does: you earn your way through ST's. We'll see I next year about that, for sure, I'd guess.

Let's just hope Ash can coach the way Urban does..

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

By the math of the OP shouldn't we be on pace for 1 win? Then 1/2? Then 1/4?

 

[knightfan7]

Interesting, thanks.

As long as you can keep some experience on the OL and DL (and hopefully LB) you can always fill in around them. Is Seymour going to stay on offense? How has he looked?

Good enough that he's still starting even though the guy he replaced is healthy. Apparently the staff loves his potential at RT. Has been beaten by fast outside rushes but he does only have a month and a half at the position.

 

[seels2662]

The issue is that it assumes this year is the bottom. I actually think next year is the bottom.

 

[kjb32812]

Good enough that he's still starting even though the guy he replaced is healthy. Apparently the staff loves his potential at RT. Has been beaten by fast outside rushes but he does only have a month and a half at the position.

That's awesome. Hope the kid turns out to be an AA.

EDIT: Please tell me the healthy kid he replaced is Denman.

WIN/WIN

 

[RUaMoose]

It does everywhere my man.

When you look at Maryland's depth chart and what they have coming in they have some legit talent on paper. That offensive line could be downright scary if they can find a QB. Pigrome simply isn't the answer LT but he is getting some great experience because of Hills being constantly banged up. Excellent athlete but he can't throw for shat.

I think next year is actually going to look similar to this year for you. Two wins in the B1G would be a big improvement. If you have that many true FR in the two deep then you're in trouble.

Like I said before, I don't think Ash will win a Big Ten game until maybe 2018. We're in for some dark days.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

The issue is that it assumes this year is the bottom. I actually think next year is the bottom.

Ya' know...I WAS thinking that all along...but now maybe not so much anymore. Why? I honestly don't think, despite some experience we are losing, we can get any worse with the influx of talent both waiting in the wings now and on its way (see: I think we have a pretty lousy group of guys on the 1st and 2nd teams who will be moving along following next Saturday...). I'm not even sure we're going to see a big drop on the DL, to be quite honest, come next year. It's not like DH was dominating this season. Injuries have obviously taken a toll.

 

[MADHAT1]

Ya' know...I WAS thinking that all along...but now maybe not so much anymore. Why? I honestly don't think, despite some experience we are losing, we can get any worse with the influx of talent both waiting in the wings now and on its way (see: I think we have a pretty lousy group of guys on the 1st and 2nd teams who will be moving along following next Saturday...). I'm not even sure we're going to see a big drop on the DL, to be quite honest, come next year. It's not like DH was dominating this season. Injuries have obviously taken a toll.

I'm looking for the DL to be better next year even with Hamilton gone.
He'll be a big individual loss for the team at the DT position, but his loss will probably not be as bad as it could have been because the overall talent on the D might be improved next season.

 

[MoobyCow]

I'm looking for the DL to be better next year even with Hamilton gone.
He'll be a big individual loss for the team at the DT position, but his loss will probably not be as bad as it could have been because the overall talent on the D might be improved next season.

Our DL is always better next year ;)

 

[Knight Shift]

Ya' know...I WAS thinking that all along...but now maybe not so much anymore. Why? I honestly don't think, despite some experience we are losing, we can get any worse with the influx of talent both waiting in the wings now and on its way (see: I think we have a pretty lousy group of guys on the 1st and 2nd teams who will be moving along following next Saturday...). I'm not even sure we're going to see a big drop on the DL, to be quite honest, come next year. It's not like DH was dominating this season. Injuries have obviously taken a toll.

Did NUTS steal my keyboard?

 

[bac2therac]

2018 is the year to show the push to 500. Its an extrememly favorable schedule and pretty soft for the first half, all the tough games at the end but great opportunity to build interest back. If that year fails then the writing probably is on the wall. Resigned to the fact that next year we probably get beat up pretty good against the top schools again and at least hope to sneak two more wins to give us 4....4-8 will be progress over this years 2-10

 

[koleszar]

That's awesome. Hope the kid turns out to be an AA.

EDIT: Please tell me the healthy kid he replaced is Denman.

WIN/WIN

The kids new to the position. He's slow to recognize which is why he has been beat to the outside. Lineman are always taught to look inside then out and he takes just a little too long looking inside. But when he does lock onto his man he's not beaten on moves very often. He has very good footwork at this point in his development.

He does need some more strength when it comes to run blocking. He's only a soph. so that should be an easy fix by next year. If he continues to progress he could become a very good one. However. I've seen plenty of Olineman never progress over the last few years. Under Blazek I hope that trend rights itself. We've had some truly awful Oline coaches the last 4 years.

 

[RUSK97]

Young Oline, young Dline, young skill players, no reliable QB, generally poor special teams play, some of the worst kickers in FBS/FCS, decent running back corps.

2017 1-11
2018 0-12 (no more MEAC)
2019 4-8

 

[RU-05]

This season has been very dissapointing imo. Win total below expectations.

So I go into next year with lowered expectations, so 4 wins sound about right.

But is it crazy to think we exceed those expectations? I don't think so. Heck it's not out of the question we win 3 this year. And if we do exceed expectations next year I would probably raise expectations for 2018. Conversely if we finish this year with 2 wins, and then win 2 again next year, I would not be optimistic about 2018.

In summary, I find it hard to predict more then one year out.

 

[17Q66]

Enjoy the ride.

 

[knightfan7]

That's awesome. Hope the kid turns out to be an AA.

EDIT: Please tell me the healthy kid he replaced is Denman.

WIN/WIN

Yes. To be fair I thought he should have been a Guard but had to move outside out of necessity. RU didn't have a lot of options.

 

[kjb32812]

Yes. To be fair I thought he should have been a Guard but had to move outside out of necessity. RU didn't have a lot of options.

Sour grapes by me obviously. Damn. He replaced JJ Denman.

 

[Jabanero]

Let's hope with all of the talent coming in next year, we can get the Offense and Defensive starters, off of special teams.