A C(rappy) C(onference)
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If this game was ONLY about winning then everyone should do what you do....pick up your newspaper in the morning and read the final score. I'm a fan of the game and actually WATCH the game and evaluate it off that
If you judge a 105 man roster off a backup QB then that explains your football IQ
Coming on this board and saying teams 'suck' and are 'overrated' yet have 7 kids drafted into the NFL is comical
In 2013, the acc went 2-0 in bcs bowls. It had the first ever playoff champion. Its bowl record was 5-6. The big ten was 2-7 in bowl games that year.
In 2014, the acc went 4-7 and the big ten went 5-5.
One bowl season doesnt validate anything. Both are great conferences which bring their own styles. Lets see how the next 10 years shape up now that realignment has settled. Key question - Will rutgers emerge from being a cellar dwellar?
In 2014, the acc went 4-7 and the big ten went 5-5.
One bowl season doesnt validate anything. Both are great conferences which bring their own styles. Lets see how the next 10 years shape up now that realignment has settled. Key question - Will rutgers emerge from being a cellar dwellar?
I wish more people on this board will think this way but it doesn't happen because they only see things through scarlet colored glasses.
You're a guest but somehow expect an RU message board to not be RU/BIG centric. Further you're supporting poster that disparage RU and you are making statements about how people should post here.
I don't expect anything, I said I wish, so I didn't suggest anything. I've made comments on this forum many times and got insulted for nothing, So obviously I made my comment based on prior experiences here.
I think the reasonable people on the board can still be big ten centric and also not make outrageous comments like the acc shouldnt be a p5 conference. It just comes off funny from rutgers who has not won anything of significance ever (in football or mbball). Thats all. Great potential though.
Never said they suck, just that the conference as a whole isn't very good. You can't only look at the top one or two teams when assessing the strength of a conference...if you could than the AAC with Houston and Navy wouldn't look that bad.
Some of those ACC studs played their entire careers in the BE, going by that commercial they were showing.
Fsu, va tech, clemson miami.
Michigan, ohio state, penn state, nebraska, wisconsin
You are out of your mind. There is little difference in the conferences in that sense (top heavy)
Also, rutgers never won anything ever. Ever. Name one significant game rutgers has won.
Im not saying this to put the big ten or rutgers down. Big ten is a great conference. So is the acc. Rutgers has been a bottom dwellar forever. Honestly, the least deserving team by far in conference realignment. Im just curious where you get off. You must stare at yourself in the mirror a lot.
Everyone here just wants to feel superior to Pitt, Syracuse and BC and since Rutgers is currently in the doldrums, the next best thing is to say our conference is superior to their conference even though it's a stupid argument.
LOL on the B1G side you left out Michigan St. who has been really, really good for a number of years and Iowa who was probably better than every ACC team this year other than Clemson...and on the ACC side you put...Miami and Virginia Tech...living in the past much? Guess what. You're the one who is out of your mind. You actually put down Miami... who lost to Washington St. in their bowl game by MORE than "bottom dweller" Rutgers did this year. Meanwhile, Virginia Tech has been average at best the last four years. One 8-win season in that time-frame, which even Rutgers managed to do last year...in a much better conference.
The ACC is not a good conference right now. Plain and simple. Get over it.
And you keep harping on how bad Rutgers is, which has no relevance to the conversation..literally just doing it to get a rise out of us. So childish.
Not trying to get a rise. Being realistic. I couldve put msu but they werent anything before dantoni showed up. Im talking traditional teams. Not who has had a nice run recentlly. You mustve missed the iowa game today and the msu game yesterday. Both teams were DISMANTLED and those are your arguing points. Nice logic there. Acc has a team in the finals. Big ten does not. Youre out of your mind delusional saying the acc is not good. As i said, big ten is a good conference. However, You have zero facts (ZERO) to support your allegation the acc is "not a good conference". Youre a complete joke. And i was serious about the rutgers question. When have they won a big game? Im just curious because i want to know how credible of an authority you are. Nm you answered that already - a fraud
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Yes you were trying to get a rise, and still are. Rutgers being a bottom dweller and never having done anything has no relevance to this conversation. I can play along, though... Rutgers on the whole is not and never has been very good at football. We are in a top tier conference now with a coach who has won a national championship, so there's certainly room for optimism for Rutgers fans like myself. Happy now? What did that accomplish? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Back to the discussion. You call my argument flawed for only looking at the recent past and ignoring "tradition." Hell of an argument there buddy...My whole point was that the ACC is not good RIGHT NOW. Moving on to the rest of your flawless logic, you're actually gonna sit there and look at TWO games and base your opinion off that...hypocritical much? MSU and Iowa were better than any team in the ACC besides Clemson this year. Fact. You're the one with the flawed logic here.
And you keep coming back to Clemson being in the national championship. Let me tell you this. They wouldn't be if Ohio St. had been #4. Clemson is very good but Ohio St. is much better, they just got unlucky with the MSU loss happening so late in the season. Alabama will beat Clemson with ease so don't you worry. But I'll give you Clemson...I conceded that in my OP. But the point is you simply cannot base your opinion on an entire conference off one team. That's ludicrous. Is the AAC a good conference because Houston and Navy were good this year? Absolutely not. So neither is the ACC because they have one good team, who, again, only went undefeated because their conference is so damn weak.
Youve added nothing other than your flawed subjective opinion. You literally failed to point out one reason why the acc isnt good. I could take a sound argument but this is just crazy.
Also, way to breeze over how youre best two teams performed in their biggest games of the year. I cant fathom what metric you are using to judge a conference. Im trying to think like you and i guess miami 01 is probably the only good team ever.
Also, rutgers has a coach who won the national championship? I like ash but lol. You are a tool.
ACC Conference 4-5 with a team in the Championship Game and B1G 5-4 with no team in the Championship Game.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
:joy:Keep the name-calling coming Jeff. Really showing your true colors. And I've given plenty of reasons why the ACC is not a good conference. Go back to the OP and check again buddy. That one post contains more analysis than you've provided in all your bloviating in this entire thread.
Does it really matter? Both conferences are very good and equally matched. Since Florida and LSU lost a step or two both the B10 & ACC have inched a closer to the standard in college football, the SEC. I always liked the idea of joining the ACC because I believed that geographically it made sense. I can mention at least 4 teams that are within driving distance. But they never extended an invite.
Growl - I am not supporting that the ACC is a crappy conference however it's 4-5 record is shaky to say the least.
Only 2 wins of note by the ACC are Clemson over Oklahoma and Louisville over Texas A&M - and as I don't think A&M was ranked - only 1 win vs a top 25 squad.
Big 10 has wins vs Notre Dame; USC; UCLA and FL - of which I think at least 3 - if not all 4 - were in the top 25.
I like the Big 10's wins a lot better however the Big 10 embarrassed itself big time in its 2 biggest bowls - Cotton and Rose.
FSU actually burned a timeout (QB lost his helmet) just to keep from having to let the backup run a play when the starting QB had to step out for a play, so #16 must really suck.
Im still missing your points. The big ten is 5-4 and the acc is 4-5 w a team in the final game. Acc is ahead bowl wise, especially considering how big ten did in its two biggest bowls.
I'm pretty sure even you don't think you know what you are talking about at this point.
Where were you hiding the past 2 days? Been awfully quiet...
What, games didn't go your way? #Clemson #RollTide :)
Well Phil I guess both conferences are about equal (ACC with 4-5) and B1G (5-5) with the exception that the ACC gets to play in the National Championship Game.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
The ACC isn't a very deep conference, and never really has been. FSU was great in 2013 and 2014 and Clemson is great in 2015. When you get past those two schools the rest of the conference leaves a lot to be desired. Does the ACC send a lot of players to the NFL? Sure. No one is saying they don't produce great athletes. But do they have a depth of consistently good football programs? Not really. They have programs with a lot of former glory (Miami, VT and GT) and others with a lot of potential (Louisville, NCST, Duke) but year in, year out it's Clemson, FSU and then everyone else. And Clemson just came back to the party...for years it was only FSU and then everyone else. Disputing this would be silly. I would bet any amount of money UNC does not replicate this year's level of football success for quite a while, certainly won't next year.
The problem is you can swipe out fsu for ohio state and say the same thing about the big ten.
And Michigan State. And Wisconsin. Michigan was down for a while but they are on the way back. The Big Ten is far from being a two horse race.
Throw in Nebraska too. They're more consistent than ANY ACC team - before this year they had SEVEN straight 9+ win seasons. Not one ACC team can say the same for that timespan. Not one.
I was going to mention them but some of those seasons were in the big 12 and they were bad this year. And even with the 9 win seasons they aren't the program they were in the 80's and 90's. Neither is Penn State. I agree the Big Ten had some down years when Tressel's tenure was coming to an end at OSU, Rich Rod was at UM and Dantonio was just getting MSU up and running. But it's reemerged as a solid national football conference. The ACC has been and always will be a basketball conference first + FSU & Clemson.
Ok so clemson has been just as good as michigan state (actually advantage goes to acc there). Michigan is comparable to miami. Both have been down but should be powers. Thats a push. Wisconsin has no better than va tech over past 10 years but i guess va tech has been a bit down the past two yeArs so i guess i can give that to big ten. Either way, big ten is not any less top heavy then acc. So, not sure the post is legitimate.
Except last year, ACC wasn't in the Championship game, so I guess it VARIES from year to year. Huh, that's weird. I don't think the B1G's best team made the playoff, that's how it goes, but having said that, I don't think OSU can beat Alabama either. BTW, my guess is that Clemson won't beat Bama either.
Thinking both conferences will have good and bad years, but I don't know that using the top teams in the two conferences says much. Time will tell about the DEPTH of the two conferences, I think those top teams will normally be at the top (maybe not the VERY top, but they'll always be part of that discussion.)
