Any update on Ndongo or Davis signing?

[wheezer]

Maybe. For a guy who everyone says is so quick, how many times did he penetrate and throw Cliff an alley-oop, or kick to Cam in the corner?
Maybe he can do those things, maybe he can do a lot of things he didn't show last year, maybe he will get a lot better. I hope all of that comes true.
He wasn't good last year.

Simpsons main attribute was breaking down the defender in front of him and getting to the hoop
At the hoop it was an occasional layup basket , a blocked shot,or a missed layup

The percentage of success with that is the concern, plus the lack of looking for someone to pass to if necessary

He can get better

 

[RU84]

Lol you really don’t understand per 40 or why it’s used that’s funny

Just keep that death grip around your stats to try and support whatever conclusions or biases you've formed.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Just keep that death grip around your stats to try and support whatever conclusions or biases you've formed.

Why would I have biases? I hope Simpson does great.
Maybe Pike will play him 40 mins/game and he'll lead the team in scoring - LOL!

 

[RUChoppin]

B) RUs offense lagged once we got past around 10 B1G games, because the scouting reports eventually catch up to teams.

In our 11th game, we put up 90 points vs Minnesota. In our 12th game, Mag went down (our most efficient 2P scorer and 2nd best offensive rebounder) and we didn't have any bench depth to absorb that loss. But yeah, it was the scouting reports...

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

It's almost like you think promising freshmen can't improve. What nonsense.

He never said that. It’s absolutely possible that Simpson improves at everything. What he’s saying is that as of where we left off this past season, Paul was still far ahead of him with pretty much every attribute of the game other than iso penetration and using his speed as a spark plug to put some points on the board in transition. Again, this could change. But Milo never once said that wasn’t possible. Nobody did. Frosh develop. But it’s ignorant to assume, based on no actual data, that he will become a better distributor, outside shooter, rebounder, etc. than Paul in the off season. He has substantial ground to cover to get there.

Also - for all of Paul’s flaws on defense - he’s always been a willing defender and plays tough. So does Simpson, but height and physical strength are also a factor. Simpson would have to be leaps and bounds ahead, for example, for Pike to frequent a rotation with a 1-3 line up of Noah, Derek and Cam (or frosh GG). That would put us at a major height / weight disadvantage. Especially if Mag (also undersized weight wise for the 4) is also in that rotation.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

In our 11th game, we put up 90 points vs Minnesota. In our 12th game, Mag went down (our most efficient 2P scorer and 2nd best offensive rebounder) and we didn't have any bench depth to absorb that loss. But yeah, it was the scouting reports...

I am not counting the 2 B1G December games, obviously you and I know when the fall off occurred.....and why mention Minnesota as some sort of litmus test, they played at the RAC without their best player (Dawson Garcia) and was a Q4 opponent.

I will only ask you or anyone arguing for Mulcahy to be the starting PG, to explain why the staff brought in a starting PG in Fernandes. Are fans telling me, that didn't happen??

The offense (not phantom shooting percentages) was not efficient or good from Michigan State forward. If you want to rehash a discussion from a month or two ago, you can....that story is retired and I'm moving forward.

The discussion is NEXT year. I have people quoting career 3FG shooting percentages instead of using the most recent season that just ended ....if I were to use the most recent data or season, isn't that more reliable than mentioning someone's career numbers??

I will remind fans, RHJ started his 3 point shooting career at 2 for 27....and the same fans complaining about why RHJ is shooting so many 3s then, are the same illogical fans asking why fans believed in RHJ then and why those same fans believe in Simpson right now.

Players with talent, improve drastically during their freshman season. It is clear TO ME, that the same fans wanting to run Hyatt off the team based on how he finished poorly, suddenly want to look the other way, when you ask why Mulcahy isn't being looked at in the same way.

I don't pay any attention to what the coaches have said, i do look at what they have actually done. They have brought in a starting, full stop. Take that as anyone sees fit to do so. I am only a fan and avid watcher of CBB and know the game well enough to not be blinded by emotion. If Mulcahy stepped up in the final 8 to 10 games and played the level of PG needed to run the offense, take shots when presented to him and lead the team, Fernandes would not be here.

 

[RU84]

He never said that. It’s absolutely possible that Simpson improves at everything. What he’s saying is that as of where we left off this past season, Paul was still far ahead of him with pretty much every attribute of the game other than iso penetration and using his speed as a spark plug to put some points on the board in transition. Again, this could change. But Milo never once said that wasn’t possible. Nobody did. Frosh develop. But it’s ignorant to assume, based on no actual data, that he will become a better distributor, outside shooter, rebounder, etc. than Paul in the off season. He has substantial ground to cover to get there.

Also - for all of Paul’s flaws on defense - he’s always been a willing defender and plays tough. So does Simpson, but height and physical strength are also a factor. Simpson would have to be leaps and bounds ahead, for example, for Pike to frequent a rotation with a 1-3 line up of Noah, Derek and Cam (or frosh GG). That would put us at a major height / weight disadvantage. Especially if Mag (also undersized weight wise for the 4) is also in that rotation.

Speed and quickness also matter on defense. Paul has difficulty guarding 1's and 2's. Paul also being "far ahead" of Simpson is fantasy. At least you're willing to give Simpson some props on "iso penetration and using his speeed as a spark plug to put some points on the board in transition." But you discount it like it's not a big deal. It's actually a huge deal in basketball and a big reason why they Simpson is the superior talent. They are even at best but I'd take Simpson over Paul in a pickup game on my team 10 out of 10 times.

 

[AshCatchEm]

He never said that. It’s absolutely possible that Simpson improves at everything. What he’s saying is that as of where we left off this past season, Paul was still far ahead of him with pretty much every attribute of the game other than iso penetration and using his speed as a spark plug to put some points on the board in transition. Again, this could change. But Milo never once said that wasn’t possible. Nobody did. Frosh develop. But it’s ignorant to assume, based on no actual data, that he will become a better distributor, outside shooter, rebounder, etc. than Paul in the off season. He has substantial ground to cover to get there.

Also - for all of Paul’s flaws on defense - he’s always been a willing defender and plays tough. So does Simpson, but height and physical strength are also a factor. Simpson would have to be leaps and bounds ahead, for example, for Pike to frequent a rotation with a 1-3 line up of Noah, Derek and Cam (or frosh GG). That would put us at a major height / weight disadvantage. Especially if Mag (also undersized weight wise for the 4) is also in that rotation.

Idk what game you were watching but Simpson was far more dynamic than "don't shoot the ball" mulcahy

 

[fluoxetine]

Idk what game you were watching but Simpson was far more dynamic than "don't shoot the ball" mulcahy

This is quite a statement coming from a douchebag troll who has admitted to not watching Rutgers basketball.

 

[RUChoppin]

I will only ask you or anyone arguing for Mulcahy to be the starting PG, to explain why the staff brought in a starting PG in Fernandes. Are fans telling me, that didn't happen??

There's a distinction to be drawn here between "arguing for Mulcahy to be the starting PG" vs. "arguing that Mulcahy's value warrants 20+ minutes".

We'll be better with a different skillset bringing up the ball and drawing the fastest defender - and I'm happy to have Fernandes coming in, and happy that Simpson improved as the season went on. Handing the role of "guy who brings up the ball" to another player, though, doesn't diminish Mulcahy's value - if anything, it enhances it. Especially if that player is Fernandes, who is an additional deep threat.

Our half-court offense worked better with Mulcahy in the game, pretty universally throughout the season. If he's on the floor, he'll have the ball in his hands at least once per possession, and is very much the "floor general" getting us into and out of our sets and getting the ball to the open man.

Do I care whether he's at the 1 or the 3? I do not.

I don't see Fernandes as a "replacement" for Mulcahy, just as Simpson at the end of last year wasn't a "replacement" for Mulcahy. Simpson replaced Hyatt... his increase in minutes came in addition to Mulcahy, not in place of him. I see Fernandes in much the same way.

Next year, I'd see Fernandes getting 25+ minutes at the point. The remaining 15 will be a split between Simpson/Mulcahy, with Simpson likely getting the lion's share. But we generally play with three guards on the floor, and the combinations give a lot of flexibility.

Fernandes/Spencer/Griffiths - one distributor, three deep threats
Fernandes/Simpson/Griffiths - one distributor, two penetration threats, two deep threats
Fernandes/Simpson/Spencer - one distributor, two penetration threats, two deep threats
Fernandes/Mulcahy/Griffiths - two distributors, one penetration threat, three deep threats
Fernandes/Spencer/Mulcahy - two distributors, one penetration threat, three deep threats
Simpson/Spencer/Griffiths - one penetration threat, two deep threats
Simpson/Mulcahy/Griffiths - penetration, distribution, two deep threats
Simpson/Mulcahy/Spencer - penetration, distribution, two deep threats
Mulcahy/Spencer/Griffiths - one distributor, three deep threats

120 minutes divided by 5 guys is 24 minutes each. We could have each of these five guys giving us between 20-28 per game, depending on matchups and day-to-day performance.

And that's without knowing what we'll get from Davis and/or Chol.

Lots of mix-and-match options for the staff, with ability to play the hot hand or sit a struggling player - and tons of competition in practice for minutes. All great things.

 

[RUBlackout7]

"not very good player"? - there's something wrong with those eyes.

This is the same guy who doesn’t think NIL exists…..he’s lost

 

[RU84]

There's a distinction to be drawn here between "arguing for Mulcahy to be the starting PG" vs. "arguing that Mulcahy's value warrants 20+ minutes".

We'll be better with a different skillset bringing up the ball and drawing the fastest defender - and I'm happy to have Fernandes coming in, and happy that Simpson improved as the season went on. Handing the role of "guy who brings up the ball" to another player, though, doesn't diminish Mulcahy's value - if anything, it enhances it. Especially if that player is Fernandes, who is an additional deep threat.

Our half-court offense worked better with Mulcahy in the game, pretty universally throughout the season. If he's on the floor, he'll have the ball in his hands at least once per possession, and is very much the "floor general" getting us into and out of our sets and getting the ball to the open man.

Do I care whether he's at the 1 or the 3? I do not.

I don't see Fernandes as a "replacement" for Mulcahy, just as Simpson at the end of last year wasn't a "replacement" for Mulcahy. Simpson replaced Hyatt... his increase in minutes came in addition to Mulcahy, not in place of him. I see Fernandes in much the same way.

Next year, I'd see Fernandes getting 25+ minutes at the point. The remaining 15 will be a split between Simpson/Mulcahy, with Simpson likely getting the lion's share. But we generally play with three guards on the floor, and the combinations give a lot of flexibility.

Fernandes/Spencer/Griffiths - one distributor, three deep threats
Fernandes/Simpson/Griffiths - one distributor, two penetration threats, two deep threats
Fernandes/Simpson/Spencer - one distributor, two penetration threats, two deep threats
Fernandes/Mulcahy/Griffiths - two distributors, one penetration threat, three deep threats
Fernandes/Spencer/Mulcahy - two distributors, one penetration threat, three deep threats
Simpson/Spencer/Griffiths - one penetration threat, two deep threats
Simpson/Mulcahy/Griffiths - penetration, distribution, two deep threats
Simpson/Mulcahy/Spencer - penetration, distribution, two deep threats
Mulcahy/Spencer/Griffiths - one distributor, three deep threats

120 minutes divided by 5 guys is 24 minutes each. We could have each of these five guys giving us between 20-28 per game, depending on matchups and day-to-day performance.

And that's without knowing what we'll get from Davis and/or Chol.

Lots of mix-and-match options for the staff, with ability to play the hot hand or sit a struggling player - and tons of competition in practice for minutes. All great things.

I don't think anyone's arguing that Paul's value warrants sub 20 min. The disagreement sees to me to be between his role and value vis a vis other players. There's a faction that seems to feel he should continue to be a 30 plus minute player that should control the ball and run the offense and a faction that feels he should be a part of the overall rotation and play primarily off the ball. I am in the second camp. I think his skillset is primarly playing off the ball. I think he is a team leader but there's a difference between being a leader and being the "floor general who gets us into sets and the ball to the open man." That's more of a point guard role.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Taking an awfully long time for Davis to “get the family together.”

 

[RUChoppin]

I don't think anyone's arguing that Paul's value warrants sub 20 min. The disagreement sees to me to be between his role and value vis a vis other players. There's a faction that seems to feel he should continue to be a 30 plus minute player that should control the ball and run the offense and a faction that feels he should be a part of the overall rotation and play primarily off the ball. I am in the second camp. I think his skillset is primarly playing off the ball. I think he is a team leader but there's a difference between being a leader and being the "floor general who gets us into sets and the ball to the open man." That's more of a point guard role.

There's also the contingent who don't want him to come back at all - who feel the team would be better off without him entirely. That's the contingent that makes the least sense, imo.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Taking an awfully long time for Davis to “get the family together.”

Pike wants to announce both signings at once. So he's waiting on the Ndongo situation to play out.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Pike wants to announce both signings at once. So he's waiting on the Ndongo situation to play out.

That’s one story…the other story is Davis trying to get his family together…just odd IMHO. What on earth, does it matter if they sign together?

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

That’s one story…the other story is Davis trying to get his family together…just odd IMHO. What on earth, does it matter if they sign together?

I think that was in the event that Ndongo didn't sign with RU.

 

[Scangg]

In our 11th game, we put up 90 points vs Minnesota. In our 12th game, Mag went down (our most efficient 2P scorer and 2nd best offensive rebounder) and we didn't have any bench depth to absorb that loss. But yeah, it was the scouting reports...

Lol yea bc teams didn't already have scouting reports on Paul Cliff and Caleb after starting in the B1G for years

Hawk also on the efficiency doesn't matter train apparently which is pretty funny

At least he gets the point that it's not Simpson vs Paul

 

[Scangg]

The offense (not phantom shooting percentages) was not efficient or good from Michigan State forward. If you want to rehash a discussion from a month or two ago, you can....that story is retired and I'm moving forward.

Of course you don't want to talk about it bc you were saying the offense would be more explosive and dangerous without Mag bc of your weird Hyatt obsession

Prediction was an epic fail

Simpson did get much better by end of the season and it's very promising for his future. I think most agree

I think pretty much everyone knows Fernandes will be the starting PG and Paul moved to the wing

 

[MiloTalon13]

This is the same guy who doesn’t think NIL exists…..he’s lost

I don't think that. NIL exists, it's just greatly exaggerated.

Why do you (or anyone) think Simpson was a good offensive player last season?

 

[Scangg]

There's also the contingent who don't want him to come back at all - who feel the team would be better off without him entirely. That's the contingent that makes the least sense, imo.

It's a small minority I believe but there are definitely people who don't want Paul back at all or playing very few minutes

That’s one story…the other story is Davis trying to get his family together…just odd IMHO. What on earth, does it matter if they sign together?

Some family might not live near him and need to travel to be there potentially. No info just that it's not crazy to think it takes some doing to get all his family there depending on how much family is coming

 

[RUBlackout7]

I don't think that. NIL exists, it's just greatly exaggerated.

Why do you (or anyone) think Simpson was a good offensive player last season?

Oh like Hunter Dickinson’s $4M NIL deal?

Out of touch.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Oh like Hunter Dickinson’s $4M NIL deal?

Out of touch.

What's your source?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Speed and quickness also matter on defense. Paul has difficulty guarding 1's and 2's. Paul also being "far ahead" of Simpson is fantasy. At least you're willing to give Simpson some props on "iso penetration and using his speeed as a spark plug to put some points on the board in transition." But you discount it like it's not a big deal. It's actually a huge deal in basketball and a big reason why they Simpson is the superior talent. They are even at best but I'd take Simpson over Paul in a pickup game on my team 10 out of 10 times.

Paul is a better distributor. He led the BIG in assists one year. He’s also a much better outside shooter at this point as well. Career 36.4% 3 point shooter vs Simpson’s 21%. Paul is taller and physically stronger. He’s much better equipped to slide over to 3 or even 4 for a few minutes. This will impact aggregate PT.

 

[Scangg]

Paul is a better distributor. He led the BIG in assists one year. He’s also a much better outside shooter at this point as well. Career 36.4% 3 point shooter vs Simpson’s 21%. Paul is taller and physically stronger. He’s much better equipped to slide over to 3 or even 4 for a few minutes. This will impact aggregate PT.

Paul and Simpson are very different players with very different skill sets. Both are valuable and Paul can still distribute from the wing

The team next year is shaping up to be very good

 

[AreYouNUTS]

It's a small minority I believe but there are definitely people who don't want Paul back at all or playing very few minutes


Some family might not live near him and need to travel to be there potentially. No info just that it's not crazy to think it takes some doing to get all his family there depending on how much family is coming

I get that, but he had months to do this, correct?

 

[Rutgers85]

Taking an awfully long time for Davis to “get the family together.”

Family has to first decide if Simpson or Paul is better. Fierce debate within the family.

 

[FinalFourOrBust]

Paul will be a nice 7th man next year, getting 15-20 minutes a game. If he has to be anything more than that then we’re in trouble.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Paul will be a nice 7th man next year, getting 15-20 minutes a game. If he has to be anything more than that then we’re in trouble.

In trouble? He played 27+ on 2 tournament teams.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

I get that, but he had months to do this, correct?

Agree - NSD didn’t just spring up out of nowhere.

 

[RU84]

In trouble? He played 27+ on 2 tournament teams.

That was with Ron, Geo and JY doing the heavy lifting on the tournament team we won a game and Ron and Geo doing the heavy lifting on the play in game team. Last year with Paul being counted on to do some heavy lifting it was NIT. If you tell me freshman Gavin = Ron, Fernades = Geo and Derrick = JY then maybe I feel better about Paul's minutes. If not, then his minutes need to be reduced.

 

[RutgersChow]

I don’t think this is what he was saying, but it’s of course possible that Simpson develops into a good lower usage scorer who sees the floor well as a point and distributes to better shooters. Nothing about his game last year indicated that should be what we expect, but he was a frosh, so of course it’s possible to see that growth in his game.

I believe Milo was saying that Simpson’s iso shots were much needed in our stagnant offense. Those shots (unless he makes a whole lot more of them percentage wise) would be not be considered good shots in an offense with good ball movement and sharp shooters available to connect at a high efficiency rate. So unless either his shooting efficiency improves significantly or he demonstrates distribution skills we have not yet seen (maybe not his fault considering the surrounding talent, but regardless, we have not seen that from him yet) - his relative value to Paul as the 5th on the court is TBD. Ideally, iso ability won’t add much value which would mean that to play over Paul he would have to be better than him at distributing, rebounding, assists, defending bigger players, etc. we’ll see.

I hate it when you look at a kid as a freshman and determine what he will be for the next three years. Derek was an outstanding shooter in high school and he WILL be that again. If I recall, the same things were said about RHJ as a freshman, and I said then that he was a very good three point shooter in high school and he will be that again, and he was. Before all is said and done, Derek will be a 35% plus three point shooter. You can count on it.

 

[RutgersChow]

I hate it when you look at a kid as a freshman and determine what he will be for the next three years. Derek was an outstanding shooter in high school and he WILL be that again. If I recall, the same things were said about RHJ as a freshman, and I said then that he was a very good three point shooter in high school and he will be that again, and he was. Before all is said and done, Derek will be a 35% plus three point shooter. You can count on it.

One other thing - I watched a lot of highlights last night of Deliquan Warren. a supposed 4*. Derek is both a better shooter and a better player overall. Don't sell him short.

 

[80RU]

I hate it when you look at a kid as a freshman and determine what he will be for the next three years. Derek was an outstanding shooter in high school and he WILL be that again. If I recall, the same things were said about RHJ as a freshman, and I said then that he was a very good three point shooter in high school and he will be that again, and he was. Before all is said and done, Derek will be a 35% plus three point shooter. You can count on it.

Maybe I don’t remember very well, but I don’t recall ever reading that Derek was a great perimeter shooter coming out of high school. I read that he was outstanding in many other things, particularly his athleticism, explosion to the basket, ability to free himself for mid range shots, etc. But my recollection is that his shooting was viewed as a work in progress coming out of high school.

 

[RutgersChow]

Maybe I don’t remember very well, but I don’t recall ever reading that Derek was a great perimeter shooter coming out of high school. I read that he was outstanding in many other things, particularly his athleticism, explosion to the basket, ability to free himself for mid range shots, etc. But my recollection is that his shooting was viewed as a work in progress coming out of high school.

Jay Gomes

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

One other thing - I watched a lot of highlights last night of Deliquan Warren. a supposed 4*. Derek is both a better shooter and a better player overall. Don't sell him short.

You're sort of comparing apples and oranges, Warren is a true PG, and that's the role he will play at RU, while Simpson is a combo guard.

 

[RutgersChow]

You're sort of comparing apples and oranges, Warren is a true PG, and that's the role he will play at RU, while Simpson is a combo guard.

To some extent yes, but regardless of position played, I just said he was a better shooter and player overall. Unrelated, but I think Warren will have a difficult time playing more minutes at the point than Jamichael Davis, especially given the fact that Davis will have a year up on him.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

To some extent yes, but regardless of position played, I just said he was a better shooter and player overall. Unrelated, but I think Warren will have a difficult time playing more minutes at the point than Jamichael Davis, especially given the fact that Davis will have a year up on him.

If you look at the current roster, Davis is not going to find many minutes with Noah, Paul and Derek in front of him at PG. So outside a year on campus, will he really have much of a leg up on Warren?

There will be plenty of minutes in the '24-'25 season because the whole backcourt is gone. So Derek will play a bit at SG and some at PG. Davis and Warren will have plenty of time to prove themselves. However, the mix could change if a certain younger brother commits to RU.

 

[RutgersChow]

If you look at the current roster, Davis is not going to find many minutes with Noah, Paul and Derek in front of him at PG. So outside a year on campus, will he really have much of a leg up on Warren?

There will be plenty of minutes in the '24-'25 season because the whole backcourt is gone. So Derek will play a bit at SG and some at PG. Davis and Warren will have plenty of time to prove themselves. However, the mix could change if a certain younger brother commits to RU.

Agreed, but Davis will be doing much more than spending a year on campus. He'll be practicing with high level D-1 players.

 

[FinalFourOrBust]

In trouble? He played 27+ on 2 tournament teams.

Remind me, are Ron Harper and geo baker on these teams?