BAC'S FINAL NCAA BRACKET

[bac2therac]

Assuming UConn beats Memphis in the AAC tourney

1: KANSAS, NORTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA, MICHIGAN STATE

2: MIAMI, OKLAHOMA, VILLANOVA, OREGON

3: XAVIER, KENTUCKY, TEXAS A&M, WEST VIRGINIA

4: PURDUE, MARYLAND, INDIANA, UTAH

5: DUKE, SETON HALL, CALIFORNIA, NOTRE DAME

6: TEXAS, IOWA , IOWA STATE, ARIZONA

7: ST JOE'S, WISCONSIN, BAYLOR, CONNECTICUT

8: PROVIDENCE, TEXAS TECH, DAYTON, COLORADO

9: VCU, OREGON STATE, GONZAGA, CINCINNATI

10: USC, SAINT BONAVENTURE, PITTSBURGH, BUTLER

11: TEMPLE, SYRACUSE-MONMOUTH, ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK, WICHITA STATE-MICHIGAN

12: YALE, STONY BROOK, NORTHERN IOWA, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE

13: CHATANOOGA, STEPHEN F AUSTIN, UNC WILMINGTON, IONA

14: BUFFALO, HAWAII, FRESNO STATE, MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE

15: GREEN BAY, UNC ASHEVILLE, WEBER STATE, CAL ST BAKERSFIELD

16: FDU-SOUTHERN, HAMPTON, HOLY CROSS-AUSTIN PEAY, FLORIDA GULF COAST


LAST 4 IN: SYRACUSE, WICHITA STATE, MICHIGAN, MONMOUTH
LAST 4 OUT: SOUTH CAROLINA, SAN DIEGO STATE, VANDERBILT, SAINT MARY'S

 

[Plum Street]

I don't think Syracuse is getting in.

 

[WJLeggett]

Neither do I. I think St. Mary's gets in over them. I also think Oregon is going to be 4th #1. We'll find out in a little more than an hour.

Great job, as always, BAC. You help make this time of year fun.

 

[WJLeggett]

You seem to be missing a 7 seed.

 

[G- RUnit]

Assuming UConn beats Memphis in the AAC tourney

1: KANSAS, NORTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA, MICHIGAN STATE

2: MIAMI, OKLAHOMA, VILLANOVA, OREGON

3: XAVIER, KENTUCKY, TEXAS A&M, WEST VIRGINIA

4: PURDUE, MARYLAND, INDIANA, UTAH

5: DUKE, SETON HALL, CALIFORNIA, NOTRE DAME

6: TEXAS, IOWA , IOWA STATE, ARIZONA

7: ST JOE'S, WISCONSIN, BAYLOR,

8: PROVIDENCE, TEXAS TECH, DAYTON, CONNECTICUT

9: VCU, OREGON STATE, GONZAGA, COLORADO

10: USC, CINCINNATI, PITTSBURGH, BUTLER

11: TEMPLE, SYRACUSE-MONMOUTH, ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK, WICHITA STATE-MICHIGAN

12: YALE, STONY BROOK, NORTHERN IOWA, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE

13: CHATANOOGA, STEPHEN F AUSTIN, UNC WILMINGTON, IONA

14: BUFFALO, HAWAII, FRESNO STATE, MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE

15: GREEN BAY, UNC ASHEVILLE, WEBER STATE, CAL ST BAKERSFIELD

16: FDU-SOUTHERN, HAMPTON, HOLY CROSS-AUSTIN PEAY, FLORIDA GULF COAST


LAST 4 IN: SYRACUSE, WICHITA STATE, MICHIGAN, MONMOUTH
LAST 4 OUT: SOUTH CAROLINA, SAN DIEGO STATE, VANDERBILT, SAINT MARY'S

Excellent job! Missing a 7?

 

[goru7]

Assuming UConn beats Memphis in the AAC tourney

1: KANSAS, NORTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA, MICHIGAN STATE

2: MIAMI, OKLAHOMA, VILLANOVA, OREGON

3: XAVIER, KENTUCKY, TEXAS A&M, WEST VIRGINIA

4: PURDUE, MARYLAND, INDIANA, UTAH

5: DUKE, SETON HALL, CALIFORNIA, NOTRE DAME

6: TEXAS, IOWA , IOWA STATE, ARIZONA

7: ST JOE'S, WISCONSIN, BAYLOR,

8: PROVIDENCE, TEXAS TECH, DAYTON, CONNECTICUT

9: VCU, OREGON STATE, GONZAGA, COLORADO

10: USC, CINCINNATI, PITTSBURGH, BUTLER

11: TEMPLE, SYRACUSE-MONMOUTH, ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK, WICHITA STATE-MICHIGAN

12: YALE, STONY BROOK, NORTHERN IOWA, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE

13: CHATANOOGA, STEPHEN F AUSTIN, UNC WILMINGTON, IONA

14: BUFFALO, HAWAII, FRESNO STATE, MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE

15: GREEN BAY, UNC ASHEVILLE, WEBER STATE, CAL ST BAKERSFIELD

16: FDU-SOUTHERN, HAMPTON, HOLY CROSS-AUSTIN PEAY, FLORIDA GULF COAST


LAST 4 IN: SYRACUSE, WICHITA STATE, MICHIGAN, MONMOUTH
LAST 4 OUT: SOUTH CAROLINA, SAN DIEGO STATE, VANDERBILT, SAINT MARY'S

Have not looked at your seeding which I will do in a minute but I have Vandy replacing Syracuse . Otherwise agree, South Carolina, St. Mary's , San Diego State, Akron , Valpo, Tulsa on the outside.

 

[bac2therac]

You seem to be missing a 7 seed.

thanks for catching that, sorry for my mistaek with the UConn game not yet finished I had failed to post their correct seed for winning the AAC

fixed

 

[BigEastPhil]

Vandy in - not good news for Monmouth,,,,,

 

[bac2therac]

Vandy in is a big surprise. I didnt have them in neither did Lunardi or Palm

Wichita did get in and so did Temple

I think Vandy may have taken Michigan, Cuse or So Carolina spot

I think Monmouth will be in the Brooklyn pod as the 11th playing in the first four in Dayton

 

[goru7]

Vandy in is a big surprise. I didnt have them in neither did Lunardi or Palm

Wichita did get in and so did Temple

I think Vandy may have taken Michigan, Cuse or So Carolina spot

I think Monmouth will be in the Brooklyn pod as the 11th playing in the first four in Dayton

South Carolina I predict is out!!

 

[Mr Magoo]

me too South Carolina should be out.

 

[bac2therac]

Its going to come down to whether the committee chooses Monmouth over St Marys and San Diego State. 6-11 game will feature a mid major vs power 5

 

[goru7]

Its going to come down to whether the committee chooses Monmouth over St Marys and San Diego State. 6-11 game will feature a mid major vs power 5

I predict Monmouth is in. 17 road wins.

 

[goru7]

I predict Monmouth is in. 17 road wins.

Well , what the hell did the committee do? Tulsa over Monmouth , kidding me!!!

 

[bac2therac]

Tulsa is a complete joke...an utter and complete travesty..got waxed by Memphis the last two games of the year

 

[bac2therac]

St Bonaventure also snubbed

 

[G- RUnit]

Feel for The Bonnies and especially Monmouth. They will say Cuse beat St. Bonnie. Awful job by committee

 

[Mr Magoo]

Agree. the Bonnies and Monmouth both should be in. This was the worst in recent years.

 

[bac2therac]

Missed two.....Vandy and Tulsa. I didnt even have Tulsa as a last 4 consideration. Instead I had Monmouth and St Bonnies and had St Bonnies above the last 4 in cut

I also felt the committee fell over themselves to love the Pac 12 and Big 12...once again dissed the Big 10 as Michigan State not getting a one seed while Virginia got it was a joke. The Big 10 also got worse seeds...Indiana a 5 are you kidding me?

 

[RUJMM78]

Monmouth didn't get in because of bad losses to teams with poor RPI ratings.

 

[goru7]

Missed two.....Vandy and Tulsa. I didnt even have Tulsa as a last 4 consideration. Instead I had Monmouth and St Bonnies and had St Bonnies above the last 4 in cut

I also felt the committee fell over themselves to love the Pac 12 and Big 12...once again dissed the Big 10 as Michigan State not getting a one seed while Virginia got it was a joke. The Big 10 also got worse seeds...Indiana a 5 are you kidding me?

Totally agree. I had Vandy and Monmouth in. South Carolina definitely out because of their year end swoon. Tulsa was eliminated by me when they lost to Memphis and they did that twice . I would have put the Bonnies in and the Cuse out. Cuse beat Duke when Duke was going through that losing streak and dropped out of the Top 25, their other win of note Texas A&M but on a neutral floor. They gave Syracuse a pass and/ or rated the ACC top to bottom as the best conference.
The diss of the Big 10 was a travesty. Purdue and Indiana as 5 seeds is a joke. Purdue is a matchup nightmare and Indiana is they guard and defend could play with the 1 seeds. The bottom of the league dragged the Big 10 down , but I hope Iowa recharges because they can make some noise with those 4 seniors

 

[bac2therac]

yep...just one too many of those..and those were truly bad losses

also the UCLA and Georgetown wins did fade somewhat down the stretch

 

[bac2therac]

Totally agree. I had Vandy and Monmouth in. South Carolina definitely out because of their year end swoon. Tulsa was eliminated by me when they lost to Memphis and they did that twice . I would have put the Bonnies in and the Cuse out. Cuse beat Duke when Duke was going through that losing streak and dropped out of the Top 25, their other win of note Texas A&M but on a neutral floor. They gave Syracuse a pass and/ or rated the ACC top to bottom as the best conference.
The diss of the Big 10 was a travesty. Purdue and Indiana as 5 seeds is a joke. Purdue is a matchup nightmare and Indiana is they guard and defend could play with the 1 seeds. The bottom of the league dragged the Big 10 down , but I hope Iowa recharges because they can make some noise with those 4 seniors

I can definitely see Iowa switching the light on and taking down Nova.

a bit surprised that they took Vandy over SC considering SC beat Vandy, finished higher than them in the SEC and SC did have 8-5 mark vs top 100....SC was a school that went from all but in and people not considering them a bubble team to out..I finally moved them out yesterday...they were like SMU from 2014

 

[goru7]

yep...just one too many of those..and those were truly bad losses

also the UCLA and Georgetown wins did fade somewhat down the stretch

You win 17 road games you have to be given a pass as a mid major

 

[bac2therac]

You win 17 road games you have to be given a pass as a mid major

yes I would do that...I wonder what the AAC and midwest representation was on the selection committee as compared to the east coast

 

[goru7]

yes I would do that...I wonder what the AAC and midwest representation was on the selection committee as compared to the east coast

I do not know if you heard Calipari on ESPN correctly critical of the committee this year and every year. One year the criteria is road wins, one year strength of schedule, one year top 50 wins , the target always changes. He asked the committee what the main one was and was told there were 10 different individual opinions. Such hogwash .
He also mentioned one of my pet peeves for years, that is the mis seeding that goes on every year and screws up everything. He clearly admitted that the year Wichita State was number 1 and undefeated , they should never have matched up with Kentucky and all their pros as an 8 seed. The committee screws up seeding more often than which teams the leave out every year and it drives me nuts.

 

[bac2therac]

just saw the committee chair answering questions from Andy Katz...seems like the excuse he seemed to find to eliminate all the other schools was top 50 wins as justifying Tulsa but when judging why the others didnt get in, it seemed like they used other criteria to justify that.

 

[Seton75]

Bac did a better job than the committee.

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Missed two.....Vandy and Tulsa. I didnt even have Tulsa as a last 4 consideration. Instead I had Monmouth and St Bonnies and had St Bonnies above the last 4 in cut

I also felt the committee fell over themselves to love the Pac 12 and Big 12...once again dissed the Big 10 as Michigan State not getting a one seed while Virginia got it was a joke. The Big 10 also got worse seeds...Indiana a 5 are you kidding me?

Virginia has wins over NC, WVU, Miami 2x, Cal, Villanova and Louisville 2x. That is a lot of top 15-20 wins. They lost some winnable games on the road but can't really go too crazy that they got a 1 seed. Mich State should have got 1 seed over Oregon,

 

[blockm2]

You win 17 road games you have to be given a pass as a mid major

They won 13 road games, not 17, and only 1 was over a team that made the tournament in Iona, but Iona beat them twice.

Neutral site wins over USC and Notre Dame were their crown jewels in their resume, but losses to terrible Canisius, Army, and Manhattan squads doomed them. Wins over UCLA and Georgetown looked great at the time, but when they went a combined 13-23 in conference play they lost some luster.

Monmouth was a fantastic story, but their objective resume left a lot to be desired.

 

[blockm2]

I do not know if you heard Calipari on ESPN correctly critical of the committee this year and every year. One year the criteria is road wins, one year strength of schedule, one year top 50 wins , the target always changes. He asked the committee what the main one was and was told there were 10 different individual opinions. Such hogwash .

Cal is a sleezeball, but I agreed with all his points about this. A bunch of different opinions every year and the quoted criteria are always changing from year to year.

 

[bac2therac]

listen with a 4-12 mark vs top 100 Michigan should consider themselves lucky as well that there were two extra bids this year

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

This is why having the NCAA OWN the NIT is a bad bad thing.

I bet the powers that be let it known that Monmouth in the NIT is a good thing for MSG and ESPN.

 

[TDIrish27]

You don't really think they'll get there do you ?

The NIT will toss them a bone with a home game in the 1st Rd and then send them away where they'll lose.

 

[toby83]

BAC - any stand out to you?

thanks


Buffalo vs Miami Florida - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Dunkin Donuts Center - Providence, RI
Thu 3/17 717 Buffalo +14 -110
6:50PM 718 Miami Florida -14 -110
Vanderbilt / Wichita State vs Arizona - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Dunkin Donuts Center - Providence, RI
Thu 3/17 719 Vanderbilt / Wichita State +4½ -110
9:20PM 720 Arizona -4½ -110
Yale vs Baylor - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Dunkin Donuts Center - Providence, RI
Thu 3/17 721 Yale +6 -110
2:45PM 722 Baylor -6 -110
NC Wilmington vs Duke - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Dunkin Donuts Center - Providence, RI
Thu 3/17 723 NC Wilmington +9½ -110
12:15PM 724 Duke -9½ -110
Fair Dickinson / Fla Gulf Coast vs North Carolina - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - PNC Arena - Raleigh, NC
Thu 3/17 725 Fair Dickinson / Fla Gulf Coast +24 -110
6:50PM 726 North Carolina -24 -110
Providence vs USC - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - PNC Arena - Raleigh, NC
Thu 3/17 727 Providence -2½ -110
9:50PM 728 USC +2½ -110
Hampton vs Virginia - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - PNC Arena - Raleigh, NC
Thu 3/17 729 Hampton +23½ -110
3:10PM 730 Virginia -23½ -110
Butler vs Texas Tech - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - PNC Arena - Raleigh, NC
Thu 3/17 731 Butler -3½ -110
12:40PM 732 Texas Tech +3½ -110
Austin Peay vs Kansas - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Wells Fargo Arena - Des Moines, IA
Thu 3/17 733 Austin Peay +26 -110
4:00PM 734 Kansas -26 -110
Connecticut vs Colorado - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Wells Fargo Arena - Des Moines, IA
Thu 3/17 735 Connecticut -4 -110
1:30PM 736 Colorado +4 -110
Tennessee Chattanooga vs Indiana U - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Wells Fargo Arena - Des Moines, IA
Thu 3/17 737 Tennessee Chattanooga +12 -110
7:10PM 738 Indiana U -12 -110

Stony Brook vs Kentucky - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Wells Fargo Arena - Des Moines, IA
Thu 3/17 739 Stony Brook +14½ -110
9:40PM 740 Kentucky -14½ -110
Arkansas Little Rock vs Purdue - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Pepsi Center - Denver, CO
Thu 3/17 741 Arkansas Little Rock +8 -110
4:30PM 742 Purdue -8 -110
Iona vs Iowa State - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Pepsi Center - Denver, CO
Thu 3/17 743 Iona +7½ -110
2:00PM 744 Iowa State -7½ -110
Fresno State vs Utah U - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Pepsi Center - Denver, CO
Thu 3/17 745 Fresno State +8 -110
7:25PM 746 Utah U -8 -110
Gonzaga vs Seton Hall - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Pepsi Center - Denver, CO
Thu 3/17 747 Gonzaga -1½ -110
9:55PM 748 Seton Hall +1½ -110
NC Asheville vs Villanova - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Barclay's Center - Brooklyn, NY
Fri 3/18 817 NC Asheville +17½ -110
12:40PM 818 Villanova -17½ -110
Temple vs Iowa - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Barclay’s Center - Brooklyn, NY
Fri 3/18 819 Temple +7 -110
3:10PM 820 Iowa -7 -110

Stephen F. Austin vs West Virginia - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Barclay’s Center - Brooklyn, NY
Fri 3/18 821 Stephen F. Austin +7½ -110
7:10PM 822 West Virginia -7½ -110
Tulsa / Michigan vs Notre Dame - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Barclay’s Center - Brooklyn, NY
Fri 3/18 823 Tulsa / Michigan +3 -110
9:40PM 824 Notre Dame -3 -110
CS Bakersfield vs Oklahoma U - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, OK
Fri 3/18 825 CS Bakersfield +13½ -110
4:00PM 826 Oklahoma U -13½ -110
VA Commonwealth vs Oregon State - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, OK
Fri 3/18 827 VA Commonwealth -4 -110
1:30PM 828 Oregon State +4 -110
Wisc Green Bay vs Texas A&M - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, OK
Fri 3/18 829 Wisc Green Bay +13 -110
7:20PM 830 Texas A&M -13 -110
Northern Iowa vs Texas - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Chesapeake Energy Arena - Oklahoma City, OK
Fri 3/18 831 Northern Iowa +4½ -110
9:50PM 832 Texas -4½ -110
Weber State vs Xavier - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Scottrade Center - St. Louis, MO
Fri 3/18 833 Weber State +13 -110
9:20PM 834 Xavier -13 -110

Pittsburgh vs Wisconsin - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Scottrade Center - St. Louis, MO
Fri 3/18 835 Pittsburgh +1½ -110
6:50PM 836 Wisconsin -1½ -110
Middle Tennessee State vs Michigan State - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Scottrade Center - St. Louis, MO
Fri 3/18 837 Middle Tennessee State +17½ -110
2:45PM 838 Michigan State -17½ -110
Syracuse vs Dayton - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Scottrade Center - St. Louis, MO
Fri 3/18 839 Syracuse pk -110
12:15PM 840 Dayton pk -110
South Dakota State vs Maryland - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Spokane Veterans Arena - Spokane, WA
Fri 3/18 841 South Dakota State +9 -110
4:30PM 842 Maryland -9 -110
Hawaii vs California - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Spokane Veterans Arena - Spokane, WA
Fri 3/18 843 Hawaii +6½ -110
2:00PM 844 California -6½ -110
Southern / Holy Cross vs Oregon - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Spokane Veterans Arena - Spokane, WA
Fri 3/18 845 Southern / Holy Cross +23½ -110
7:25PM 846 Oregon -23½ -110
Cincinnati vs St. Joseph's - NCAA Tournament - Second Round - Spokane Veterans Arena - Spokane, WA
Fri 3/18 847 Cincinnati -2 -110
9:55PM 848 St. Joseph's +2 -110

 

[bac2therac]

some of these spreads seem lower than expected...like WVU and Iowa State, Baylor...but they are all potential upsets too

one thing to check for is schools making their first appearance in a long time, the NCAA is a new thing for the players and sometimes are a little too caught up in it and then gamewise meltdown vs teams with more tourney experience.

I see VCU is -4 over Oregon State...Beavers have no experience in the tourney...26 years since the last time they went and I think they may have an injured player.

not a big fan of Pitt at all and Im shocked that the Cal is only -6.5 over Hawaii

 

[toby83]

thanks, i will look into VCU...don't know much about Oregon State

last night had itchy trigger finger

already bet these:
Cal - (got -6)i don't know a whole lot about Hawaii but have watched Cal. they win games they are supposed to win.
Seton Hall -wrong team favored
St Josephs - wrong team favored - coaching edge + Cincy can go 0 fer 5 minutes at any given moment
Butler - seems short (got -3),they keep game pace up to where they like it should be double digit win
Providence (got -2) USC doesn't play D, especially when not at home
Miami - men vs boys
Iona (got +8) slight concern seeing lots of people who like them to keep it close

considering also
Temple
WVU - committee playing games with this match up
UNCW - def playing , waiting for better #

 

[rucoe89]

Great thread! Would be interested in insights on picks from others too.

 

[RU Husky]

Interesting that all of the #9 seeds were favored over the #8 seeds. Gonzaga as an #11 is favored over #6 Seton Hall and #10 VCU is favored over #7 OSU. #7 Dayton and #10 Cuse are pick 'em.

 

[blockm2]

listen with a 4-12 mark vs top 100 Michigan should consider themselves lucky as well that there were two extra bids this year

since Wichita State and Tulsa were behind Michigan on the final S-curve, they'd have still got in even with Louisville and SMU included in the field.

On a side, note "4-12 vs top 100" drastically undersells Michigan's record. 3-7 vs top 25, 1-4 vs 26-50, and 0-1 vs 51-100 (road loss @ OSU). Only 13 teams in the country had more wins vs the top 25 via RPI and only 8 teams played more total games vs the top 50. If some of Michigan's opponents had been a little bit worse, Michigan would've racked up more wins vs top 100 teams and had a shinier top 100 record. But when you play 14 games vs top 35 opponents including 8 away from home, wins are tough to come by.

So I wouldn't call Michigan getting in the tourney lucky. They were quite unlucky in that they didn't get a chance to play but 1 total game (on the road) vs teams 51-100. They were 5-0 vs teams 101-125 and 16-1 vs teams ranked 50 and above