This game sucked, but I'm putting this one on Eddie. When we were up 16, how do we not start using clock? Also, personnel decisions were a little weird. Oh well. Hopefully we've learned from this. Still feel confident that we'll continue to improve and be competitive. Think this group has an upset or two in them.
Basketball IQ
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My problem was why is Daniels the one bringing the ball up on that possession? Corey is the true ball handler, he has to be the one there.
cool, means we can get to 12 wins (maybe)
seriously. Who didn't know we would blow this thing? geez. another one there for the taking.
Learning. I'm tired of that excuse. These guys don't learn from their mistakes.
I don't know how you can say that. It's only the third game. These guys are all new.
They have to learn how to win, and how to win on the road. Kids get too excited, need to slow things down. That's why you see many senior heavy teams in the NCAAs. Unless you have dynamic freshman and sophs like Kentucky.
Freeman and Williams seemed to disappear.
Now you see the limitations with Goode, some were going ga ga over him but he is only going to do so much.
the basketball IQ was not appreciable better than any other team we have seen. Now this team is young so it could get better but games like tonight show you why the optimism has to slow down a bit about how good the team is right now and stuff like NIT. This team has tons to work on and it will get better
Now you see the limitations with Goode, some were going ga ga over him but he is only going to do so much.
the basketball IQ was not appreciable better than any other team we have seen. Now this team is young so it could get better but games like tonight show you why the optimism has to slow down a bit about how good the team is right now and stuff like NIT. This team has tons to work on and it will get better
Lol.....they shouldn't be learning. Are you serious with this post? REALLY, take a step back and reread what you posted and post a follow-up.
you should give up your posting privileges after these comments.
He is currently rethinking his new chuck it up offense when you have an open shot as we speak. RU did lots of things wrong, but not using the clock was awful coaching
He has a point though. It seems like they don't even know how much time is on the shot clock. They don't box out. I don't really see much of an offense besides one on one stuff and wild driving and dishing from the point guards. They can't shoot free throws to save their lives. The shot less that 40% from the free throw line! They play defense by reaching and not moving their feet. It's a bunch of fundamentals that this team is lacking.
Again, basketball is basketball. People try to make it too complicated.
Besides the pace of game I mentioned and Eddies style of play..they shouldn't be learning. You "learn" how to play as a kid. Rebounding, shooting, boxing out, dribbling. Fundamentals. Sick and tired of years and years of "learning" excuses. We just have to get bettet, coach better. We don't have to learn anything in my opinion.
agree, it's awful when the open shots don't fall. Not many teams want to turn down open shots because contested shots are much tougher.
Coaching. Plain and simple. It doesn't take any special skill to understand time and place. You get that drilled into your head during practice.
No well coached team makes such basic mistakes. Eddie has upgraded the roster from where it was (though still not great), and this team gave more effort, but you can see they are not that well coached. Guard play, while dazzling at times, broke down when it was most needed. Big man play? Very little. This team had no business losing a game like that. St. John's is terrible and picked last in their conference.
Going to be another long season on the hoops court. We will lose the same amount of games as last year, maybe by a few less.
Mack knew how much he would get fouled. He comitted himself to shooting 80+ from the line. Same situation with Sanders. Needs to spend time at the stripe.
Learning what they can do against better competition is a huge change. As talented as Sanders is, things he could do in high school are not always going to work against college players.
Do you understand where basketball in and has been for the past 20 years?It's not so much learning, it's unlearning. AAU basketball, basketball that focuses so much on dribbling skills rather than passing skills. We don't have to learn anything?Is there ever a part in life where we have to stop learning?No. This team has a lot to learn. That's exactly what a skill is-repeated behavior that depends on learning. If we were so damn smart, we wouldn't be losing games.
Fundamentals?Keep looking for them. You will be disappointed..
The game has changed too much. There are teams that primarily recruit overseas for that reason. Fundamentals are not seen a lot these days. European teams still practice them. Unfortunately, at the AAU level, teams focus a lot of dribbling for an hour. An individual effort.
Many HS stars get by on physical/athletic ability, they do not know the subtleties of the game. Take for instance Mike Rosario, played for Hurley Sr. in HS. I watched Mike in HS and he was not a good defensive player. He always leaked out "to get his", while the other players did much of the dirty hard nose work Hurley's teams are known for . When he came to Rutgers it was apparent he had a lot to learn.
I had this exact thought last night when Sanders tried to respond to a SJU basket by driving it to the rim, only to get stopped by Sima. I thought he's probably not used to facing athletic 6' 10" big men guarding the hoop. The worst players on B1G teams (generally speaking) were one of the top 2-3 players on their high school teams. Adjusting to that is a big deal.
That said - while the officiating blew two fouls on our second to last possession, we still should've won if we hit our FTs (4-11??) and showed more patience on offense when we built the lead to 16. If we manage to get close to a .500 record and possible postseason bid, we will really regret letting this one get away.
A bunch of really talented freshman joined quite possibly the greatest coach that ever lived in 1982. That year Duke with freshman Mark Alalrie, Jay Bilas, Johnny Dawkins, etc went 11-17.
In their SOPHOMORE season the #1 recruiting class in the country playing for a rising star HC lost to Gary Waters' Rutgers team at the RAC in the NIT Quarterfinals. Randy Foye, Allen Ray, Curtis Sumpter and Jay Wright went on to great success as Upperclassmen.
Want me to go on. Of course college athletes have to learn.
Rutgers hasn't learned to win for the past 20 plus years with different coaches and players so the excuse about learning how to win on the road now will get this program no where.The players failed to make foul shots throughout the game which followed the pattern against Howard.All the side issues like coaching and officiating just compounded Rutgers problems but wouldn't have mattered if Rutgers shot better than 5-14 from the foul line.
There is a right to be frustrated regarding last night, but a lot of it is misguided.
When you have any team of newcomers or this many that are playing their 2nd or 3rd game together, you are going to look disjointed....it probably will continue for another dozen or so games, because a pecking order of who can step forward needs to be sorted out.
Last year or two, it was give the ball to Kadeem and let him go one on one or 1 on 2...hope he makes the shot or gets to the line. After about 6 to 7 games of that, teams started to double the post and force him to give up the ball.....then give it to Mack, who lacked the size to create offense for others or needed another player to provide space to allow him to shoot.
What was different with last night was Sanders created baskets for Williams by getting into the paint and on other occasions, SJU's frosh guards had no chance to stay in front of Sanders and keep him out of the paint....if Sanders can get to the FT line more often, he'll start to sink them, but it's Game 3, not game 50 into their sophomore season.
I think Diallo fouled too much, but is young, Laurent is a frosh and Freeman needs touches to get points going to the basket, vs settling for jumpers like last years team did.....so instead of settling like last year, they attacked the basket, almost too much and sometimes they got hacked and to the line, other times they didn't get calls and the ball went the other way.
Look, St. John's was missing players, recruits and they looked pretty bad most of the night, but they scrapped back into a game. But the reality is RU made a ton of strides vs last year and needs another guard (Nigel Johnson) to settle a team down in crunch time......Johnson isn't an All Big 10 player, but he's been through 2 years of part time play sharing PG responsibilities at Kansas State and I can assure everyone here, RU wins this matchup next year comfortably, with another seasoned experienced guard to help Sanders and Mike Williams. Johnson will make FT's and I think once Sanders realizes people are afraid of being embarrassed in a one on one matchup, they will foul him or let him settle for jumpers. If either is working for Sanders, RU will be fine.
This is not about wins and losses for this year and I've tried to explain that all summer....this season is going to look and feel like last year, if you want to only look at wins and losses. The difference is right now, RU has to land complimentary pieces that round out the roster for the 2016 recruiting class and add a wing shooter (Even if he's not a Top 175 -200 kid).....add someone that adds a different element to the offense or how a team has to play defense. Then find another combo guard/wing with size, that can compliment and take pressure off Mike Williams, Johnson and Sanders having to guard that 6'4 to 6'5" guard that can score inside....
If you squeak this game out and you don't see gradual improvement into March, then you can whine all you want. It's not going to be pretty, roles are going to evolve and change and eventually by January, there is going to be a 1, 2, 3 pecking order of what RU wants to get offensively, dependent on matchups.
Do I think Mike Williams with another combo guard becomes more effective next year....absolutely.....Is he showing signs of life after having Sanders find him on two kick outs, where Williams isn't required to generate his own offense off the dribble...?? absolutely.....Williams is a stationary shooter, not a guard that is a break down off the dribble shooter.....he looked relaxed and back in his role on how he was used in HS, with better guards that can get him the ball, allowing him to shoot.
Basketball is about flow and tempo and as talented athletically as Daniels is in transition, he doesn't provide flow and tempo/calm in a half court setting.....he is the wild card that we will love on a fast break and when he goes one on three in transition and we'll become scared to death if he needs to make a play in half court. I'll take some good with bad right now because he took three shots that had no business going in that did to build the lead.
It really is good to see the anger and anxiety here from the fans.....I was a little worried that my phone wasn't going to buzz last night from the usual suspects texting or asking "what happened".....???.......well, what that means is people are interested in Sanders and the rest of this crew. But the next 4 months of recruiting really will solve RU's riddle of a full balanced roster, while we see what we have and who improves as we play this year.
It's not going to be a class like Kentucky, Duke, UNC frosh of 5 NBA kids, but get the role player that always lands on Northern Iowa or Creighton and can knock down a 3 and perhaps is definitely two steps slow for the B1G, ACC or the Power Conferences....don't care....find the power forward that eats up space and can create offense on the block and perhaps can't jump out of the gym, but has a feel for the basket and getting putbacks......and find the one dimensional player that perhaps isn't any good offensively and doesn't need the ball to feel important, but is an eraser or the shot blocker.
Right now RU isn't close to making the NCAA's, but is a couple of players away from allowing the strengths of the roster to be at their best, which will raise the play of the entire team. I really like Johnson, Sanders and Williams as a 3 guard combo with Goode as a role playing 4th shooter.....ideally you upgrade there and find another shooter from JUCO that can play the 2 and 3, find a marksman at SF that stretches zones and takes advantage of Sanders/Johnson in half court and get a rebounder and RU will be knocking on the NIT door in a year or two, which means NCAA bubble.
It depends on how lucky or what the staff does in the next 4-5 months of recruiting....the roster is being reset and it looks significantly better as a unit vs looking at where a player is ranked in whatever service you subscribe to....... That's a lot better at Game 3, vs expecting that type of game around Game 9 or 10. Can RU build on it and how fast does it develop is what this season is about.....
When you have any team of newcomers or this many that are playing their 2nd or 3rd game together, you are going to look disjointed....it probably will continue for another dozen or so games, because a pecking order of who can step forward needs to be sorted out.
Last year or two, it was give the ball to Kadeem and let him go one on one or 1 on 2...hope he makes the shot or gets to the line. After about 6 to 7 games of that, teams started to double the post and force him to give up the ball.....then give it to Mack, who lacked the size to create offense for others or needed another player to provide space to allow him to shoot.
What was different with last night was Sanders created baskets for Williams by getting into the paint and on other occasions, SJU's frosh guards had no chance to stay in front of Sanders and keep him out of the paint....if Sanders can get to the FT line more often, he'll start to sink them, but it's Game 3, not game 50 into their sophomore season.
I think Diallo fouled too much, but is young, Laurent is a frosh and Freeman needs touches to get points going to the basket, vs settling for jumpers like last years team did.....so instead of settling like last year, they attacked the basket, almost too much and sometimes they got hacked and to the line, other times they didn't get calls and the ball went the other way.
Look, St. John's was missing players, recruits and they looked pretty bad most of the night, but they scrapped back into a game. But the reality is RU made a ton of strides vs last year and needs another guard (Nigel Johnson) to settle a team down in crunch time......Johnson isn't an All Big 10 player, but he's been through 2 years of part time play sharing PG responsibilities at Kansas State and I can assure everyone here, RU wins this matchup next year comfortably, with another seasoned experienced guard to help Sanders and Mike Williams. Johnson will make FT's and I think once Sanders realizes people are afraid of being embarrassed in a one on one matchup, they will foul him or let him settle for jumpers. If either is working for Sanders, RU will be fine.
This is not about wins and losses for this year and I've tried to explain that all summer....this season is going to look and feel like last year, if you want to only look at wins and losses. The difference is right now, RU has to land complimentary pieces that round out the roster for the 2016 recruiting class and add a wing shooter (Even if he's not a Top 175 -200 kid).....add someone that adds a different element to the offense or how a team has to play defense. Then find another combo guard/wing with size, that can compliment and take pressure off Mike Williams, Johnson and Sanders having to guard that 6'4 to 6'5" guard that can score inside....
If you squeak this game out and you don't see gradual improvement into March, then you can whine all you want. It's not going to be pretty, roles are going to evolve and change and eventually by January, there is going to be a 1, 2, 3 pecking order of what RU wants to get offensively, dependent on matchups.
Do I think Mike Williams with another combo guard becomes more effective next year....absolutely.....Is he showing signs of life after having Sanders find him on two kick outs, where Williams isn't required to generate his own offense off the dribble...?? absolutely.....Williams is a stationary shooter, not a guard that is a break down off the dribble shooter.....he looked relaxed and back in his role on how he was used in HS, with better guards that can get him the ball, allowing him to shoot.
Basketball is about flow and tempo and as talented athletically as Daniels is in transition, he doesn't provide flow and tempo/calm in a half court setting.....he is the wild card that we will love on a fast break and when he goes one on three in transition and we'll become scared to death if he needs to make a play in half court. I'll take some good with bad right now because he took three shots that had no business going in that did to build the lead.
It really is good to see the anger and anxiety here from the fans.....I was a little worried that my phone wasn't going to buzz last night from the usual suspects texting or asking "what happened".....???.......well, what that means is people are interested in Sanders and the rest of this crew. But the next 4 months of recruiting really will solve RU's riddle of a full balanced roster, while we see what we have and who improves as we play this year.
It's not going to be a class like Kentucky, Duke, UNC frosh of 5 NBA kids, but get the role player that always lands on Northern Iowa or Creighton and can knock down a 3 and perhaps is definitely two steps slow for the B1G, ACC or the Power Conferences....don't care....find the power forward that eats up space and can create offense on the block and perhaps can't jump out of the gym, but has a feel for the basket and getting putbacks......and find the one dimensional player that perhaps isn't any good offensively and doesn't need the ball to feel important, but is an eraser or the shot blocker.
Right now RU isn't close to making the NCAA's, but is a couple of players away from allowing the strengths of the roster to be at their best, which will raise the play of the entire team. I really like Johnson, Sanders and Williams as a 3 guard combo with Goode as a role playing 4th shooter.....ideally you upgrade there and find another shooter from JUCO that can play the 2 and 3, find a marksman at SF that stretches zones and takes advantage of Sanders/Johnson in half court and get a rebounder and RU will be knocking on the NIT door in a year or two, which means NCAA bubble.
It depends on how lucky or what the staff does in the next 4-5 months of recruiting....the roster is being reset and it looks significantly better as a unit vs looking at where a player is ranked in whatever service you subscribe to....... That's a lot better at Game 3, vs expecting that type of game around Game 9 or 10. Can RU build on it and how fast does it develop is what this season is about.....
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