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Big Ten non-conference scheduling for 23-24, a running thread of scheduled games

Albeit not a conference foe, but West Virginia has already announced its entire out of conference schedule per Rothstein.

I don’t remember full OOC schedules being announced so quickly after the season ends

Hopefully there are some “ official leaks” of our OOC games shortly primarily the Gavitt Games opponent / possible MSG game etc.
 
Was that really as much of an issue as us screwing the pooch in games we should have won down the stretch? I don't want to hear about there being no recency bias - clearly that's crap. And for the record, most of us would like to see a better or more entertaining OOC schedule. Maybe some of us are just bored with these threads pulverizing a dead horse.
A member of the committee was quoted as saying they took into account that we weren't the same team down the stretch without Mag.
 
A member of the committee was quoted as saying they took into account that we weren't the same team down the stretch without Mag.
That's why I don't know why they claim there is no weight placed on performance toward the end of the season.
 
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The committee told us our OOC SOS was an issue lol. They clearly want us to adjust.
This. I recall a report of a member of the committee saying that our weak non-conference hurt us. Having said that, all we had to do was win one more game against the 23 high major teams we played. And Pike likes the freedom to use the cupcakes to play with rotations and develop his players. So I personally would prefer to upgrade the non-conf schedule. But I also think this issue is being overhyped.
 
That committee member’s quote didn’t age well. Guess almost beating a Final Four team without one of best players did us in.
 
This. I recall a report of a member of the committee saying that our weak non-conference hurt us. Having said that, all we had to do was win one more game against the 23 high major teams we played. And Pike likes the freedom to use the cupcakes to play with rotations and develop his players. So I personally would prefer to upgrade the non-conf schedule. But I also think this issue is being overhyped.
The more high majors you schedule, the more opportunities you give yourself to win meaningful games.
 
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That committee member’s quote didn’t age well. Guess almost beating a Final Four team without one of best players did us in.
Stop your unmitigated nonsense. Rutgers didn't schedule Miami. Gavitt did. The out of conference was the single most significant issue of many. Every pundit of value knows that. And no matter what you think,Izzo has no more scheduling cache than Steve or Willard or anyone. And guess what. The Michigan State game was the second most significant game of the season after Purdue. Nothing else was remotely close. The media took notice of Rutgers. That matters.
 
Stop your unmitigated nonsense. Rutgers didn't schedule Miami. Gavitt did. The out of conference was the single most significant issue of many. Every pundit of value knows that. And no matter what you think,Izzo has no more scheduling cache than Steve or Willard or anyone. And guess what. The Michigan State game was the second most significant game of the season after Purdue. Nothing else was remotely close. The media took notice of Rutgers. That matters.
The process by which your games are scheduled is somehow relevant now too?
 
I missed it, but Wake Forest picked up a 4* 2023 guard that was committed to Notre Dame and yesterday, picked up Hunter Sallis, a 5* transfer from Gonzaga, BUT playing at Wake Forest is not scheduling a game OOC......??

I know Wake Forest didn't have a great year last year, but they weren't Central Connecticut State either.

The issue that everyone wants to keep ignoring is Seton Hall. Seton Hall, hailed by many in this thread after the hire of Shaheen Holloway just a year ago, has been shredded via the transfer portal and has not done anything as of today (late April) to supplement its roster.

That game, is a dangerous game and is also a game that if SHU doesn't make the NCAAs, registers as a game if you win, no one cares about. If you lose it (like last year at home) it goes into the bad loss category, with Temple.

The people complaining about the OOC, still have not presented a solution for why we have to play SHU. If you remove them from the schedule, I would then be in agreement, 100%, that we should upgrade the schedule.

On the other hand, Pike has to experiment early in the season, because he is trying to develop players, who are not, Day 1/ Game 1 talents. And we rode the players who were veterans last year, but were largely unproven as #2 # 3 and #4 offensive players in Spencer, Caleb and Mulcahy.

We have to remember that Spencer early was NOT good, against solid competition. His shooting at Miami, vs SHU and at Mohegan Sun was 1 of 14 from 3.

We have to look "realistically "......last years team was well coached BUT was not athletic and not deep or talented to play these games. We are on the levels of the middle of the B1G, because we have an elite home court and are well coached. It is not an overwhelming amount of talent.

For RU72 and bac and others to keep complaining about the schedule AND at the same time say the B1G is overrated, is talking out of both sides of your mouth....

The roster had Jalen Miller, Oskar Palmquist, Dean Reiber as key reserves....it had 1st time starters in Mawot Mag.....it had a player transferring up from the Patriot League and 3 returning players, who were the 3rd, 4th and 5th options behind Geo Baker and RHJ, asked to step up into scoring roles as the 2nd/3rd options.

When does it set in that the roster was not good enough and that we asked too much of Caleb, Mulcahy and even Cliff/Cam....?? There were 2 somewhat reliable pieces off the bench and as soon as either player made a mistake or didn't play well, it was "recruiting issues of the past catching up to Pike".....you guys are talking in circles.....

If we get Mgbako, Ndongo or Papa Kante, Cliff and Paul return and Mag makes a full recovery, then that roster has the depth to play an upgraded schedule. To mention MSU with Izzo, who has all 4 and 5* kids on his 13 player roster, to RU, and say, "we need to schedule like Izzo", is dumb on every level.
 
To mention MSU with Izzo, who has all 4 and 5* kids on his 13 player roster, to RU, and say, "we need to schedule like Izzo", is dumb on every level.
I'm still trying to find one person who said that. We don't have to have the hardest non-con sked but we shouldn't have one that is roundly ridiculed. The out of conference schedule is a joke compared to the rest of the Big Ten That's the bottom line.
 
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I missed it, but Wake Forest picked up a 4* 2023 guard that was committed to Notre Dame and yesterday, picked up Hunter Sallis, a 5* transfer from Gonzaga, BUT playing at Wake Forest is not scheduling a game OOC......??

I know Wake Forest didn't have a great year last year, but they weren't Central Connecticut State either.

The issue that everyone wants to keep ignoring is Seton Hall. Seton Hall, hailed by many in this thread after the hire of Shaheen Holloway just a year ago, has been shredded via the transfer portal and has not done anything as of today (late April) to supplement its roster.

That game, is a dangerous game and is also a game that if SHU doesn't make the NCAAs, registers as a game if you win, no one cares about. If you lose it (like last year at home) it goes into the bad loss category, with Temple.

The people complaining about the OOC, still have not presented a solution for why we have to play SHU. If you remove them from the schedule, I would then be in agreement, 100%, that we should upgrade the schedule.

On the other hand, Pike has to experiment early in the season, because he is trying to develop players, who are not, Day 1/ Game 1 talents. And we rode the players who were veterans last year, but were largely unproven as #2 # 3 and #4 offensive players in Spencer, Caleb and Mulcahy.

We have to remember that Spencer early was NOT good, against solid competition. His shooting at Miami, vs SHU and at Mohegan Sun was 1 of 14 from 3.

We have to look "realistically "......last years team was well coached BUT was not athletic and not deep or talented to play these games. We are on the levels of the middle of the B1G, because we have an elite home court and are well coached. It is not an overwhelming amount of talent.

For RU72 and bac and others to keep complaining about the schedule AND at the same time say the B1G is overrated, is talking out of both sides of your mouth....

The roster had Jalen Miller, Oskar Palmquist, Dean Reiber as key reserves....it had 1st time starters in Mawot Mag.....it had a player transferring up from the Patriot League and 3 returning players, who were the 3rd, 4th and 5th options behind Geo Baker and RHJ, asked to step up into scoring roles as the 2nd/3rd options.

When does it set in that the roster was not good enough and that we asked too much of Caleb, Mulcahy and even Cliff/Cam....?? There were 2 somewhat reliable pieces off the bench and as soon as either player made a mistake or didn't play well, it was "recruiting issues of the past catching up to Pike".....you guys are talking in circles.....

If we get Mgbako, Ndongo or Papa Kante, Cliff and Paul return and Mag makes a full recovery, then that roster has the depth to play an upgraded schedule. To mention MSU with Izzo, who has all 4 and 5* kids on his 13 player roster, to RU, and say, "we need to schedule like Izzo", is dumb on every level.
Wisconsin plays Marquette and manages to schedule other quality games. Nebraska plays Creighton and manages to schedule other quality games.

The reason we play Seton Hall is that this is supposed to be entertainment and while the pursuit of money has stripped away all other rivalries we're at least maintaining one local one.

That said... I think schedule concerns are mostly overblown. Playing at Wake Forest, at Seton Hall, and a home game against another Big East opponent is a pretty good start. We need to add one more quality game and then it's fine. The bigger issue is playing multiple teams ranked 300th or worse instead of ones ranked 200th-260th.
 
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I missed it, but Wake Forest picked up a 4* 2023 guard that was committed to Notre Dame and yesterday, picked up Hunter Sallis, a 5* transfer from Gonzaga, BUT playing at Wake Forest is not scheduling a game OOC......??

I know Wake Forest didn't have a great year last year, but they weren't Central Connecticut State either.

The issue that everyone wants to keep ignoring is Seton Hall. Seton Hall, hailed by many in this thread after the hire of Shaheen Holloway just a year ago, has been shredded via the transfer portal and has not done anything as of today (late April) to supplement its roster.

That game, is a dangerous game and is also a game that if SHU doesn't make the NCAAs, registers as a game if you win, no one cares about. If you lose it (like last year at home) it goes into the bad loss category, with Temple.

The people complaining about the OOC, still have not presented a solution for why we have to play SHU. If you remove them from the schedule, I would then be in agreement, 100%, that we should upgrade the schedule.

On the other hand, Pike has to experiment early in the season, because he is trying to develop players, who are not, Day 1/ Game 1 talents. And we rode the players who were veterans last year, but were largely unproven as #2 # 3 and #4 offensive players in Spencer, Caleb and Mulcahy.

We have to remember that Spencer early was NOT good, against solid competition. His shooting at Miami, vs SHU and at Mohegan Sun was 1 of 14 from 3.

We have to look "realistically "......last years team was well coached BUT was not athletic and not deep or talented to play these games. We are on the levels of the middle of the B1G, because we have an elite home court and are well coached. It is not an overwhelming amount of talent.

For RU72 and bac and others to keep complaining about the schedule AND at the same time say the B1G is overrated, is talking out of both sides of your mouth....

The roster had Jalen Miller, Oskar Palmquist, Dean Reiber as key reserves....it had 1st time starters in Mawot Mag.....it had a player transferring up from the Patriot League and 3 returning players, who were the 3rd, 4th and 5th options behind Geo Baker and RHJ, asked to step up into scoring roles as the 2nd/3rd options.

When does it set in that the roster was not good enough and that we asked too much of Caleb, Mulcahy and even Cliff/Cam....?? There were 2 somewhat reliable pieces off the bench and as soon as either player made a mistake or didn't play well, it was "recruiting issues of the past catching up to Pike".....you guys are talking in circles.....

If we get Mgbako, Ndongo or Papa Kante, Cliff and Paul return and Mag makes a full recovery, then that roster has the depth to play an upgraded schedule. To mention MSU with Izzo, who has all 4 and 5* kids on his 13 player roster, to RU, and say, "we need to schedule like Izzo", is dumb on every level.
It’s more about brand recognition. People want to play a blue blood type school with the possibility of winning.
You beat Wake its a good win but can be viewed as expected. You lose and then then it becomes a bad look. Very much like your SHU example. Just not as bad especially if they are a ACC contender or NCAA team.
You beat a team like Kansas and it puts you in the map regardless if Kansas turns out good or not. You lose and it’s expected but not a bad loss either.
 
I'm still trying to find one person who said that. We don't have to have the hardest non-con sked but we shouldn't have one that is roundly ridiculed. The out of conference schedule is a joke compared to the rest of the Big Ten That's the bottom line.
Rutgers is on pace for the no 13 out of conference schedule. No one is saying be like Izzo.Be like 10 others.

Fans deserve better December RAC games.

Kante is not,simply not is not going to Rutgers.
 
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One of LIU or Stonehill is acceptable, not both. If we have to schedule 4-6 cupcakes a year, I'd rather it be more teams projected from 161-299 with the possibility of exceeding expectations later in the year than the mostly dreck that is projected in the 300-361 with little room to exceed expectations.

LIU will be improved next year, not that it will be hard to do, from 1-26 and 361. LIU is projected 327th, Rod Strickland will coach both sons, Tai Strickland, 4th team, Wisc, Temple and Ga Southern, and Terell from George Mason, but NEC will still be a bottom conference with little room to be good.

Stonehill is projected slightly above at #320 in the NEC. There are tons better teams and conferences than scheduling 2 games in the NEC. Pike and staff have to keep track of these Efficiency and Predictive sites, like KP and T-Rank, to schedule a more competitive OOC schedule each year for optics alone and not rely on winning the majority of good wins in the B1G schedule only each year. We will have loaded rosters here on out, it's time to schedule a much harder OOC schedule, time to become a national team instead of Regional Northeast team in the B1G
 
Purdue scheduled Alabama for neutral court game in Toronto. Edey is from there along with a Bama player. Guessing that means Edey is returning
 
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continental tire Vegas main tournament features SD ST, Washington and Xavier, and TBD. Minnesota bailed. Paging RU….step in for once
Not happening. Zero chance. No holiday tourney. Maybe in 2024. Let's hope.Team will be ready.
 
Still can’t forget asking Pike about playing in a pre season tourney early in his career here and giving me some jive about how the conference has to approve it etc. He Made it seem like the conference was preventing us from being in a tourney. Lol.
 
Amazes me that he doesn’t understand the benefits of playing and even losing in these tournament settings. The exposure and the opportunity to build a resume. If we want to become an annual big ten top team, we need to make that leap. Yes, Maui invitational is not looking at RU. But every other tourney we should be trying to get into. Once again, out of 14 big ten teams, RU is only team to not play in any non conf tournament in last 5? 6? Years. It’s bizarre. Almost like Steve agreed with RU when taking the job that RU needs the extra home ticket sales revenue for The extra 2 or 3 cupcake games. There’s no other explanation.
 
Still can’t forget asking Pike about playing in a pre season tourney early in his career here and giving me some jive about how the conference has to approve it etc. He Made it seem like the conference was preventing us from being in a tourney. Lol.

I remember when you asked him at a Court Club meeting! We knew he was lying through his teeth.

Jive. 🤣

 
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