I know NLI day is far away, but I'm really concerned that Flood does not have the charisma needed to land top recruits. Do you agree/disagree? I hope I'm wrong.
Can Flood recruit?
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In the world of integrity and decency and desire to succeed, Kyle Flood is a 10 out of 10. I would certainly want my kid to play for someone like him. As for recruiting (in essence, in large part, salesmanship), as I've said before, you either are a good recruiter, or you are not. You don't become one. The skills you need to recruit are innate to one's persona. You have them or you don't.
I want to be positive, trust me. Schiano could sell ice cubes to an Eskimo. I just don't see that trait with Flood. And unfortunately, you need to be able to sell in order to recruit.
Agreed. I would want my kid to play for Flood, but unfortunately, he can't land the program changers because he can't sell the program.
Well hes basically got 9 months or whatever to change the perception. If this year goes by and we end up outside of the top half of P5 schools in recruiting, despite all of the interest from high profile recruits - well that will basically be the beginning o the end for flood. It will be playing out the string until the combined lack of high quality recruits (particularly depth) and the middling at best coaching lead to losing seasons. Might be for the best though. If we can get a few more years out of him, it will give us some time to get enough money to make a splash with the next coach.
I agree with the above. If after a decent showing last year in the league and a bowl win doesn't correlate with a good recruiting class this year, then Flood may not be the coach that RU needs to move up in the standings.
I sincerely hope that Flood is able to sway a good portion of these NJ kids into commits.
And what if he has a good class but they aren't all NJ kids? Does that count? We all get that he needs to improve recruiting in NJ, but I sincerely believe Flood is working against history and will need to bring guys from other places until the NJ kids realize they can get everything they need here at home.
And yet, no one listens.
This is still an open forum, of mostly Rutgers fans, alumni and followers. And, as such you should have an opinion. Now, with that opinion others might not agree, that is after all anyones own perogative. But, to call someone out as a "troll" because they don't agree with you, is rude, and a little immature. Don't you think Mr. MikeFla?
Well to be fair, alot of people were saying - we HAVE to keep Flood if he doesnt absolutely blow in 2014, because we are in really good with the 2016 class. In fact I agreed with that.
Time is passing. Kids are committing elsewhere, or crossing us off their lists.
Its fair to continue to evaluate the claim that Flood can or can't recruit, based on new evidence. Unfortunately the evidence is pointing to 2013-15 not being anomalies.
Why is everyone so judicious with their "likes"? I have lavished you all with likes (except troll guy).
In any event, nothing would make me happier than if we landed a great 2016 class. Go get 'em Flood!
In any event, nothing would make me happier than if we landed a great 2016 class. Go get 'em Flood!
Flood is not a great recruiter and probably never will be. That being said, I think people are a bit too obsessed with this. Winning can go a long ways towards helping recruiting, and if Flood can consistently post records above .500, the recruiting should pick up. Also, some people are too enamored of hitting the recruiting equivalent of home runs. Slow and steady can get the job done, too. We just need to get a little bit better each year. That's one way to build a program.
If you kept track of other teams history with coaches, the path is already set. No one should be surprise.
How much patience can be expected from a fan base? I feel like we've been through a lot, and have been waiting a long time. All we need now is someone who can close the deal.
Selling Rutgers to top recruits has ALWAYS been a hard sell....no matter who the coach was or what the sport.
I can think of only two coaches who had significant success attracting top talent here...Stringer and Schiano. And both recruited more to play for THEM than to play for Rutgers. And even they didn't have all that much success.
I'm not sure there's anyone out there.....certainly not anyone we could keep here long term...who could successfully recruit the elite players in this area. How many people do each of you know who are dying to leave New Jersey ? Christ, half the people I know can't wait to get out of here. And you want their kids to stay home in New Jersey and play for Rutgers......not exactly a name one considers ELITE in the sports world ? Would you ?
Sure recruiting has been a disappointment. That's been the case pretty much for the entire 50+ years I've been rooting for the state university of New Jersey. But if Flood has a year in 2015 similar to last season, we may possibly have turned the corner....at least in football. And if not, well we'll soon find out how the next guy can recruit. Just don't expect the next guy to be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer.
I can think of only two coaches who had significant success attracting top talent here...Stringer and Schiano. And both recruited more to play for THEM than to play for Rutgers. And even they didn't have all that much success.
I'm not sure there's anyone out there.....certainly not anyone we could keep here long term...who could successfully recruit the elite players in this area. How many people do each of you know who are dying to leave New Jersey ? Christ, half the people I know can't wait to get out of here. And you want their kids to stay home in New Jersey and play for Rutgers......not exactly a name one considers ELITE in the sports world ? Would you ?
Sure recruiting has been a disappointment. That's been the case pretty much for the entire 50+ years I've been rooting for the state university of New Jersey. But if Flood has a year in 2015 similar to last season, we may possibly have turned the corner....at least in football. And if not, well we'll soon find out how the next guy can recruit. Just don't expect the next guy to be Nick Saban or Urban Meyer.
OP your 4th post and you do not know RUTGERS at all U=troll
What coach, in what sport, has ever recruited at Rutgers. It is Rutgers not the coach. Do not even mention Schiano as you can go back and see he would get 1 or 2 out of the top 10-20 players in NJ and that was only in a GOOD year.
Name one sport Rutgers in the past 250 years has won a national championship in outside of fencing
When you answer that then come back and ask if Flood can recruit
What coach, in what sport, has ever recruited at Rutgers. It is Rutgers not the coach. Do not even mention Schiano as you can go back and see he would get 1 or 2 out of the top 10-20 players in NJ and that was only in a GOOD year.
Name one sport Rutgers in the past 250 years has won a national championship in outside of fencing
When you answer that then come back and ask if Flood can recruit
I think that this yr. will either help or hinder Flood....unfortunately when looking at the schedule I get the feeling we are a 6 win team this coming yr. at best...if that happens and we do not have some real good recruits in the wings we are going to be hurting....keeping my fingers crossed that we have at least 8 wins.....
Yes, this is true that some programs outplay their recruiting. Don't think we have that staff though.
But if Flood can do what he did last year without Fridge as his Yoda and his consistently weak recruiting coming ever closer to catching up with him, I will be pretty impressed.
We have some good recruiters on staff. But we need a Halfey on staff to take it up a notch. Flood would be a much better recruiter.
Is recruiting a learnable skill? I believe Flood has become a better coach during his tenure, can he become a better recruiter? Would sales training or experience help?
Can we stop with the nonsense "Schiano could see ice cubes to Eskimos" Since when was GS this great recruiter? Its nonsense. He had a good year or two when he had great recruiters on his staff. Without those two he hadnt accomplished anything of note recruiting wise.
The GS worship and revisionist history is bizarre for a man who underperformed expectations for the last 5 years he was HC
The GS worship and revisionist history is bizarre for a man who underperformed expectations for the last 5 years he was HC
So I am a troll because I'm concerned about recruiting? I believe the "troll" term is overused, and perhaps misunderstood, on this forum.
In the end, the team's performance on the field will determine whether Flood and the others on staff can recruit. That is the real measure, not perception or the rankings. For those that think RU will eventually be able to hire some "name" HC who by reputation will be able to land a bunch of 4 and 5 star (on paper) recruits...i think you're dreaming. RU is seen as a mid level Div 1 program..maybe similar to Maryland, NC St, Cal, etc. It is considered a stepping stone type job. The best they would be able to do is land a respected OC or DC or a smaller Division up and coming HC...if it comes to that.
Unfortunately, for those counting on performance on the field to boost KF's recruiting, even if that cause and effect relationship were true, the fact is that in 3 years we've had I believe two wins vs P5 teams with winning records and none vs a ranked team. So I don't think the winning will be there either, especially with our playing with one or more inexperienced QBs this year and a mostly new OL. But even without those player losses, KL has yet to demonstrate he can win games, and that is separate and apart from his lack of real recruiting success to date.
That is of course 100% reality.
That is the ONLY thing that anyone should ever care about when it comes to recruiting.
I've been a Rutgers fan for almost thirty years. I came up with the phrase "Same old Rutgers" long before anyone from West Virginia ever did. So I understand where you're coming from. That being said, none of that has anything to do with Kyle Flood as a head coach. If Rutgers fans want to saddle Flood with their collective decades of frustration that really doesn't help the process. He's just going into his fourth year as a head coach, has yet to have a losing season, and finally has the stability of being in the same conference. Give him a chance. Flood is not a home run hitter. Don't keep looking for home runs from him.
Look at what's happened at Rutgers in men's basketball with the previous two coaches. Hill hit a recruiting home run with Rosario and Echenique and where did that get us? He was replaced by Rice who hit a home run with his heralded class and that, too, got us nowhere. If we keep looking for coaches to hit recruiting home runs, we may just end up having the same thing happen in football as in basketball.
Disagree 100%. As a B1G team we will never survive if we don't win "some" battles against Penn State, Neb, OSU. If we keep searching for kids in Florida,PA and NJ with little to no offers its going to kill us. Wait until next year when all those 2 stars start playing against top talent and 4-5 stars at PSU, OSU, MSU
Poor Flood. The lowest paid Coach in the Power 5, after his raise! He gets hammered because he barely has the money to pick up a guy from the unemployment line and he did a remarkable job in getting Ralph here. Now he is gone. Schiano stepped in crap getting Ray Rice and then road his back all the way to an NFL coaching job. Now he is unemployed. Boss Julie sends out E-Mails crying for financial support. If it falls on deaf ears and stitched pockets, she too will be unemployed soon. When the B1G money does start to appear, I shudder to think where it will actually go. Pay the electric bills and maybe the debt load from past poor decisions? You are right. It IS a Rutgers problem and that means the layer, upon countless layer, of administrative and political fluff, well above Julie in the food chain, plus of course, a too well educated and knowledgeable alumni base, who refuse to send more money into that sink hole.
I don't know..seems were going in the opposite direction and the talent stable seems to deplete with each passing yr? In fact much to my dismay a smaller private school in upstate NY seems to be slowly making headway with the recruits we used to get right here in NJ. Not to mention whats happening at previously hapless recruiting BC....WTF ?? After all the headway and buzz we had going on!?! We should have locked up Daz IMO.
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As I've said before, I think this year's recruiting goal should be to have the class average close to three stars. I think that may be more important overall than landing this or that big name recruit. This is part of what I meant by getting better each year. If we can get the recruiting at least to that level, we may have a chance to build as a program.
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