Can someone put a clip together of missed layups from today? It’s amazing!
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Thank you for posting this …I have felt we were reallt week from the left side of the paint …which confirms …and cliff post mkre on the right side
When you have players who can’t shoot and have no touch it pertains to layups as well. Nothing soft and lots of knuckle balls and prayers. Also, some of our players are so weak, they can’t convert through even the slightest contact.
So basically a team just has to force us to shoot from the left side of the paint out to the perimeter and we’re doomed.
I mean, we probably aren't specifially worse from the "left side" of the paint lol. That's just random noise. (If you leave us open from deep left corner you're doomed!)
Left side of the paint I would expect majority of teams to be worse from since most people are right handed
Fair but this is supposedly relative (i.e. compared to the D1 average).
Yea but isn’t this a heat map of Rutgers this season vs. the average of Division 1 though?
We don't miss any more layups then other teams....we miss prayers thrown up at the rim by 6'1'' guards.
All you need do as a defensive player against Derek is a bump and he’s finished around the basket in the lane. Several times in the game yesterday.
I haven't done any kind of formal analysis Green Rice FIG, but simply based on the eye test it's hard to believe that we don't miss any more layups than other teams. I am a very positive fan and a huge supporter of our team and coaching staff, but our inability to finish near the basket is remarkable. Maybe it's your definition of "lay-up?" If it was only contested prayer lay-ups by 6'1" guards you might have a point, but it's open shots, contested shots, lay-ups, put-backs, tip-ins, floaters...taken by guards, forwards, centers. I feel like just about any shot taken within five feet of the basket has been an absolute adventure. It's really uncanny.
We miss so many layups, many uncontested. Hyatt and Simpson come to mind for me.
The last game when JM took off like Superman attempting a slam while we are down a bunch Pikiell should have sat his butt down. As others have said SP sometimes seems too nice and understanding. Others say he ‘s tough at the right times well guess what … we are in tough times… not looking like we make 15 wins this season.
It's both, imo. We have definitely taken a number of low quality shots that still show up as "close" shots in the stats. But we have also missed a bunch of good, easy ones.
Simple bounce pass makes us better. I don’t understand why Pikiell is letting this happen over and over.
My take on it is, tell JMike it’s ok to do that, just be sure you make the shot from now on.
I had no problem with it because he saw an opening, his competitive fire took over, and made an aggressive move. We need more aggression and toughness on this team, if you ask me. JMike brings that.
Yeah, this. Of all the issues we have, an overambitious dunk attempt there is the least of them.
But here’s the issue we were down how many at the time? No … that’s not being smart and as good as this player may be going forward he’s better than that… we came away with no points and I think they scored again against us. Sorry do that when you are not completely out of control .
The problem is that it's not an isolated overambitious dunk attempt.
How many overambitious out of control layup attempts are Davis, Fernandes and Simpson going to attempt against much taller players?
I dunno, probably a lot if we can't hit any outside shots and have no offensive paint presence.
As many as Pikiell and staff allows them… see players with high rankings and great potential have been free lancing since grade school. Coaches don’t discipline in fear of the player leaving not just college but lower grade levels. We all appreciate the athleticism and talent but sometime a better concept is to be less flamboyant and more team positive.
Even tighter on offense is not going to be a recipe for success for this team. While our shot quality is not GREAT, it's also not horrific. What is horrific is the conversion rate.
I just don't think lack of coach toughness is really the issue.. how do you convince players not to drive into the trees when there is no alternative? People around here don't want us to take threes because we shoot 29%, they don't want to pass the ball to Cliff because he struggles in the post, and they don't want to drive. What do we do? Much like there's no way to strategize defense that will stop a team that is passing well and shooting 45% from three, there is no way to strategize offense that works around *that* many limitations.
I could be exaggerating but I remember Derek last year pretty frequently would try to dunk at times he had no business doing so. He would take some pretty hard fouls but he would usually at least get the whistle when he did it.
The times we've driven to the lane, drew a defender, and dished to a big are rare as hen's teeth. The times we've penetrated to the lane, collapsed the defense, and kicked to a shooter who was READY AND WILLING to shoot a three are also sparse.
Simpson still drives down to the low block and stops without any clear plan what to do next and gets stuck. All the guards will penetrate to the rim and get in trouble, and not know where their shooters or bigs are to lay the ball off. So many pull ups from 15+ feet out, instead of 5-8 feet out. And when the ball is kicked to guards on the arc, they hesitate and put the ball back on the floor.
And a lot comes down to lack of trust/chemistry. Guys are forcing bad shots at the rim because they don't trust their teammates to be able to score if they dish it.
As for the easy ones that we miss, I've got nothin'....
We're playing without a point guard. Its not the best situation
A lack of team chemistry does seem to be the biggest underlying problem with this team. Lots of transfers in and out doesn’t help in that regard.
I think that is the actual issue.
Our last 2 games we have 8 and 7 assists. Our 2 pt FG% against Top 150 games is 40.9% which is REAL BAD.
A simple bounce pass was all that was needed. Is he going to do that next year with 2 NBA guys on the court?
It's really "at the rim" percentage and it's bad
People complain about going soft and avoiding contact attacking the rim. People then complain Davis taking it strong AF for a dunk that he got unlucky with missing
