He was ranked right where he should be.
Carino so wrong On Simpson
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Carino thought this team would be good preseason ?
You can’t believe any of the practice and secret scrimmage nonsense
You can’t believe any of the practice and secret scrimmage nonsense
Yes that, but he’s gone on and on about how good Simpson was, rankings mean nothing, etc.
I know he did say the team would be “entertaining “.
Lots of bad preseason takes from guy in the know.
That’s why it’s legendary when average Joe fan nails predictions.
#FakeNews
Didn't you see the victory lap Carino took after the Stonehill game?
Clearly he was right all along
Didn't you see the victory lap Carino took after the Stonehill game?
Clearly he was right all along
Carino and every other beat writer know absolutely nothing.
They rely 100 percent on what the coaches tell them.
They rely 100 percent on what the coaches tell them.
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I agree. It was obvious from the start we were gonna be awful and wasn’t hard to predict with what we lost. Amazingly bad amateurish takes imo. I think they’re are definitely better basketball minds out there they just don’t cover Rutgers.
What we are watching and not quite understanding.......we are watching a player playing more minutes and developing but the program and fans no longer have the patience to watch it.
This is NOT going to be popular and I know fans are going to run with this and take it out of context.
BUT
What if I told you, fans are watching a reduced version of Jacob Young, when discussing Derek Simpson... ..don't go crazy, because I am looking at the numbers for Young at Texas in his 1st 2 seasons.
I am NOT saying Simpson is in the same area code of player, athletic abilities, size, speed or confidence or cockiness of a Jacob Young. Young is the Top 0.1% caliber athlete that in on the planet. I believe that if you put Jacob Young into a football camp for a full year and taught him how to play cornerback or defense, he is THAT good of an athlete and could figure it out.....Simpson is NOT that athletic etc
But Young was very VERY erratic in his 1st 2 years at Texas....the shooting percentage people here, would not have ever wanted Young as a transfer in, if you looked at his stats. All that fans looked at, was he was ranked in the Top 150 on Rivals out of HS, so, nothing else matters.
Young shot 28.7 from the field and 22.7 from 3 as a frosh ....78 from the FT line.....16 minutes a game.
Young shot 41.3 from the field and 32.3 from 3.....he dipped to 68.2 from the FT line.
Simpson.....frosh 37.4 FG%......21.7 from 3......79.3 from FT line....20 minutes per game
Simpson this year has dipped for sure, but 31.9 FG percentage and 28.3 from 3 ...83.8 from the line.....25 minutes a game.
The RU fan is not going to comprehend improving players and we saw Jacob Young in Year 4 and Year 5, AFTER a full season redshirting and sitting out at RU... Young had a full season to practice and get used to RU.....
And Young in his 1st 15 games at RU was NOT GOOD.....he was a turnover machine.....he was very erratic, but his efforts and defense on the ball was something that the team could use. But Young in Year FOUR and FIVE, was the finished product or the player we remember....because RU as fans, didn't have to watch Young implode the way he did at Texas.
Simpson is just not as good as Young athletically, but he has some things to build upon. And if Young could improve by Years 4 and 5, I am guessing or expecting that Simpson will improve the rest of this year and in Years 3 and 4. And Simpson this year, just doesn't have the same caliber of support or players around him, like Young did at RU.......the circumstances are very very different.
Would it be more convenient to say JMike Davis and Jacob Young as frosh and sophomores, is the better comparison.......?? Maybe....
To recap, I am NOT saying Simpson is the same player as Jacob Young.....I'm not even saying JMike Davis is the same player as Young.....I am saying it looks VERY similar stat wise as underclassmen.
This is NOT going to be popular and I know fans are going to run with this and take it out of context.
BUT
What if I told you, fans are watching a reduced version of Jacob Young, when discussing Derek Simpson... ..don't go crazy, because I am looking at the numbers for Young at Texas in his 1st 2 seasons.
I am NOT saying Simpson is in the same area code of player, athletic abilities, size, speed or confidence or cockiness of a Jacob Young. Young is the Top 0.1% caliber athlete that in on the planet. I believe that if you put Jacob Young into a football camp for a full year and taught him how to play cornerback or defense, he is THAT good of an athlete and could figure it out.....Simpson is NOT that athletic etc
But Young was very VERY erratic in his 1st 2 years at Texas....the shooting percentage people here, would not have ever wanted Young as a transfer in, if you looked at his stats. All that fans looked at, was he was ranked in the Top 150 on Rivals out of HS, so, nothing else matters.
Young shot 28.7 from the field and 22.7 from 3 as a frosh ....78 from the FT line.....16 minutes a game.
Young shot 41.3 from the field and 32.3 from 3.....he dipped to 68.2 from the FT line.
Simpson.....frosh 37.4 FG%......21.7 from 3......79.3 from FT line....20 minutes per game
Simpson this year has dipped for sure, but 31.9 FG percentage and 28.3 from 3 ...83.8 from the line.....25 minutes a game.
The RU fan is not going to comprehend improving players and we saw Jacob Young in Year 4 and Year 5, AFTER a full season redshirting and sitting out at RU... Young had a full season to practice and get used to RU.....
And Young in his 1st 15 games at RU was NOT GOOD.....he was a turnover machine.....he was very erratic, but his efforts and defense on the ball was something that the team could use. But Young in Year FOUR and FIVE, was the finished product or the player we remember....because RU as fans, didn't have to watch Young implode the way he did at Texas.
Simpson is just not as good as Young athletically, but he has some things to build upon. And if Young could improve by Years 4 and 5, I am guessing or expecting that Simpson will improve the rest of this year and in Years 3 and 4. And Simpson this year, just doesn't have the same caliber of support or players around him, like Young did at RU.......the circumstances are very very different.
Would it be more convenient to say JMike Davis and Jacob Young as frosh and sophomores, is the better comparison.......?? Maybe....
To recap, I am NOT saying Simpson is the same player as Jacob Young.....I'm not even saying JMike Davis is the same player as Young.....I am saying it looks VERY similar stat wise as underclassmen.
Simpson’s ceiling is POSSIBLY 8th or 9th guy in the rotation. Nothing in his game suggests he could be anywhere as good as Young.
The Simpson kid is good but he’s not a Big Ten caliber starter. You need potential professional players to compete whether that’s NBA, G-League or overseas. He’s not a professional type He would be sooooo good on a team in the Atlantic 10 conference
He’s too thin - not physically strong enough for someone with his skill level
So, a couple of things here.
1. As you note, Simpson is not on Young's level athletically. The more athletic player is going to have the higher ceiling, generally speaking. Also, we're not going to get a year 5 of Simpson like we did from Young.
2. Young's FG% struggles are mostly attributable to his outside shot. During his two years at Texas, he scored at a 49.6% clip inside the arc. He was able to finish at the rim even though the rest of his game lagged. Simpson's number through almost two years? 38.5%.
3. Predicting improvement from Simpson is not some bold take. He's having one of the worst shooting seasons in recent high-major basketball history. Of course he's going to be better than this. But he needs to get a LOT better to reach an acceptable level.
His Kamikaze attacks to the basket would work better if he wasn't a gnat. Due to his physically weak stature, he rarely makes it.
(Credit: to poster in game thread for perfectly describing his drives to the basket with "Kamikaze".)
(Credit: to poster in game thread for perfectly describing his drives to the basket with "Kamikaze".)
Just because you can point to one player who “may” have some similar attributes (I don’t even agree with this premise) who developed over time, doesn’t mean you can extrapolate anything about Derek Simpson’s development. Some players just can’t shoot and never improve much. As Rick Pitino says, the hardest thing to teach is shooting.
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Way too in love with his mid range game, it’s a bad shot, but he is even worse at finishing in the paint. He is not a big ten player. A rotation piece at best. Carino just loves the under recruited angle. Nothing wrong with that, But he really loves it when it is a local NJ good kid type. He’s more patient than us fans in seeing development. But I also think he will be wrong on this one.
Carino took a victory lap because Derek hit a last second shot to beat Stonehill....that take ranks up with the doozies that Hawk has posted this year
In a game he went 4-15 from the field. It was ridiculous
"Simpson is the least efficient shooter in P5/6 over the last 15 years, here is why he is the next Jacob Young"
I mean I guess anything is possible, but there is nothing right now to suggest that Simpson will ever be remotely close to as good as JY
Best realistic case scenario is Simpson learns to become more of a distributor, shoots less, and raises his efficiency to near average for a P5/6 guard... or transfers
Doubt anybody except the two frosh playing now plus JW and EO will be back next year. Portal guys will be drooling to play with Harper and Ace…
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Which doozies....LMAO......please stop and tell me where your doozy is on Mag being the reason RU fell apart last year.....
At some point, shouldn't you watch the games on the court?? Did I miss the last 3 games??
If you want to take a victory lap because I believe that this year's backcourt was going to be better than last year, I own that 100%....but I also added that playing Simpson, Davis and Griffiths is more important now, so we have someone with experience on next year's roster?roster?? Are you saying that's a doozy??? LMAO
I'll wait to see what your Mag take is....I had no expectations that you and others kept parroting.
What appears to be a doozy is now being written as FACT, by folks like Politi and others.....that this season is about getting Simpson, Davis and Griffiths more game minutes and playing time for next year....that is my doozy??
That can only happen if Mulcahy and Spencer are not here, playing 32 minutes a game.....that's a doozy??
I'll wait on your Mag take, after 3 straight games of no points.....
I have been right now for 8 months, and it's now being finally seen as reality......the reality on Mag being the reason RU fell apart last year, is now also looking flimsy at best....
No it was a clean make.
It was also a shot we desperately needed in order to beat STONEHILL in a game where Derek was also on the team for the other 39 minutes, so you know.
Here's the thing, and this opinion will probably be as unpopular as many of yours.
Last year's team, taken start to finish, was a solid tournament quality team that bad lucked it's way out of the tournament through a combination of (1) getting a game outright stolen from us, (2) playing it's best basketball at the wrong times, and (3) poor timing of injuries [here I mean both the fact that injuries probably cost us another loss against Temple, possibly one against Miami, and gave the committee an excuse to leave us out]
The 21-22 team was the opposite; a fully mediocre team that despite being much better on offense was not consistently good on defense and lucked it's way INTO the tournament by playing it's best basketball at the right times.
Rolling an exact copy of last year's roster out for this season would not be a bad bet.
I loved JY when he was here but I don’t think a player like him would be a great fit alongside Ace and Dylan anyway even if Simpson could move in that direction. That’s the problem. At best, he improves efficiency as an iso style PG who brings up the ball mostly to facilitate creating his own shot.
Going with my recent example, we should be in the market for a kid who plays a style like the Davidson kid (Jason Richards) who played alongside Curry in 2007-08. Look him up - 8+ assists per game. Bring in that and a Patrick Patterson type veteran (like UK had to play alongside Wall and Cousins). Those are the puzzle pieces we need.
Going with my recent example, we should be in the market for a kid who plays a style like the Davidson kid (Jason Richards) who played alongside Curry in 2007-08. Look him up - 8+ assists per game. Bring in that and a Patrick Patterson type veteran (like UK had to play alongside Wall and Cousins). Those are the puzzle pieces we need.
You claimed there is no difference from this year vs last year all the while last year won at Purdue and was a projected 6-8 seed before the Mag injury
You've been so wrong and won't admit it to the point where most used to think you were a good poster and you're turning yourself into a laughing stock
This year's team is pretty terrible. Plenty of people thought this team could have been good, but they aren't still living in denial trying to manipulate data to find 1 stat that makes this year's team better while ignoring 99% of stats saying we are worse
Or you could use the eye test and see it
We are soooo much worse and you tried to tell us we would be better at every spot on the roster 1-13
You're trying to claim victory on Mag when no one was more wrong on the entire board. You said last year's team would be a more explosive offense when he went down... never happened. Team tanked
You said Mag should redshirt this year bc he wouldn't be playing til Jan or Feb and even then would only play a few minutes bc he wouldn't be integrated into the team... nope cleared for contact in November playing and big minutes in December
Simpson still the best foul shooter on the team.
Still quickest player on the team
And after Cliff, the best defensive player on the team.
Despite horrific shooting, he almost had a double double yesterday.
Despite a bad game shooting he lead the team in rebounds!!! 8!!! And tied for the lead in assists.
He still won the Stonehill game, half court shot at Indiana and foul shots won the game.
Dominated the OSU game and almost had a triple double against Nebraska.
He won the PSU and Indiana game last year.
Yep he needs to get stronger and make more shots but he’s still only a sophomore.
Fan base ridiculously hard on him and news flash JMike isn’t a point guard.
Still quickest player on the team
And after Cliff, the best defensive player on the team.
Despite horrific shooting, he almost had a double double yesterday.
Despite a bad game shooting he lead the team in rebounds!!! 8!!! And tied for the lead in assists.
He still won the Stonehill game, half court shot at Indiana and foul shots won the game.
Dominated the OSU game and almost had a triple double against Nebraska.
He won the PSU and Indiana game last year.
Yep he needs to get stronger and make more shots but he’s still only a sophomore.
Fan base ridiculously hard on him and news flash JMike isn’t a point guard.
At what point does Simpson's "horrific shootong" become a problem for you?
Dude, he hit a halfcourt shot against Indiana. Is that not good enough shooting for you?
Like I just want to be clear but the shot was taken from way beyond the point at which most three point shots are taken. Some are saying it may have won the game. Others say it happened in the first half. Still, at least a 50% chance it won the game.
I actually agree with you and in a way hawks point which ironically is that players improve with age notwithstanding he thought we’d be better with a younger back court. Simpson has the potential to get better. If you can shoot a high percentage from the line you have a chance to be a good shooter from the floor. He needs to get stronger and improve his shot selection. He hustles. He’s rebounding now. Seems like a good kid. I hope he hits the weights and dedicates himself. With him gg and jmike I really believe you have some pieces. Not the pieces mind you but a start.
Derek Simpson having the worst Eff. FG% of any high major player with a 24% usage rate since at least 2008!! He's not shooting just regular bad. This is a generationally bad shooting season at this point. I was hoping it was a slow start, but we are 20 games into the season now
He’s shooting 31.9% from the field on the year along with 18-of-67 (26.8%) from the field and 4-of-17 (23.5%) from three over the last seven games
These are numbers that would typically lead to not seeing the court at any good P5 team. Our guards are so bad overall that not only is he playing, he's been starting
He’s shooting 31.9% from the field on the year along with 18-of-67 (26.8%) from the field and 4-of-17 (23.5%) from three over the last seven games
These are numbers that would typically lead to not seeing the court at any good P5 team. Our guards are so bad overall that not only is he playing, he's been starting
The problem is he can improve and go from very very bad to just bad... and that's still bad. The odds of someone being extremely inefficient year 1, all time bad year 2, then becoming a plus good efficient offensive player have to be soooo extremely rare
His hustle is clearly there and the effort for rebounds is nice to see, but you just can't be this inefficient offensively
I think he can get better. Will he? I admit it’s not a given. I’m hoping better pieces around him will help him settle in and define a better role for himself.
