Coaching Staff: Rutgers vs Maryland

[rutgersguy1]

Rutgers could do the same thing if they hired 2 fired head coaches and a 3rd who likely sees the hand writing on the wall after going 8-16 the past 2 years.

Sure they have experience but it's not all good.

You don't get ex HCs obviously unless they've failed somewhere else. It's not the end all be all having these guys on staff but it's nice to have that HC experience as sounding board for a first time HC. How many of Meyer's assistants were ex HCs outside of Schiano just recently. Off the top of my head I can't think of any at least at the coordinator positions. So I think these are nice hires but I won't go bonkers over them either.

 

[ArminRU]

Does Durkin have any experience working with these guys or is he just pulling together a bunch of random coaches?

 

[zazoo2002]

I think folks on the board are kidding themselves, with comments like DJ is putting together a staff, CA is creating a culture or DJ is hiring retreads, CA is hiring young n hungry. The bottom-line is DJ (MD) is putting together an extremely experienced and yes, hungry, staff with extensive contacts. Short of too many chefs in the kitchen, they should do quite well. While to-date, Ash appears to want a mold-able young and hungry staff, hopefully his vision also includes older personnel with HC experience and regional recruiting contacts to help guide CA for the rocky waters ahead.

 

[Abro1975]

 

[RU31trap]

This is definitely not about money, this is about Ash wanting guys he can mold to his vision, not guys that come in with past experiences and are not flexible to doing things his way.
He wants hungry guys he can run into the ground and they keep coming back for more. Ash want to create a hard working hungry culture and he needs everyone to be on the same page.

I think we need to be a little bit optimistic and a little bit concerned. His name is Chris Ash and he's a co-defensive coordinator from OSU. Frankly a risky hire due to his lack of expierence as head coach. Now if we hired Rich Rodriguez, Lane Kiffin or even an Al Golden and hired young hungry guys I would feel much more comfortable. Trust me I understand what your saying regarding the hungry young lion and sometimes it works.

 

[RUbacker]

Ugh

I think we need to be a little bit optimistic and a little bit concerned. His name is Chris Ash and he's a co-defensive coordinator from OSU. Frankly a risky hire due to his lack of expierence as head coach. Now if we hired Rich Rodriguez, Lane Kiffin or even an Al Golden and hired young hungry guys I would feel much more comfortable. Trust me I understand what your saying regarding hungry young lion and sometimes it works.

ugh! Congrats you are the 100th poster to use young and hungry talking points .

 

[RUonBrain]

I think we need to be a little bit optimistic and a little bit concerned. His name is Chris Ash and he's a co-defensive coordinator from OSU. Frankly a risky hire due to his lack of expierence as head coach. Now if we hired Rich Rodriguez, Lane Kiffin or even an Al Golden and hired young hungry guys I would feel much more comfortable. Trust me I understand what your saying regarding the hungry young lion and sometimes it works.

Congrats!

You would rather we hired Al Golden than Chris Ash.

You played the Internet today, and the Internet won.

 

[rufeelinit]

I think UMD just got turned down by the OL coach who was at the same school as the OC. Perhaps they want to continue the trend of hiring former HC's and grab KF as their next OL coach.

 

[RURM85]

So far I like the job Maryland is doing putting together their staff. Surrounding a first time HC with tremendous experience. These retreads were once successful and passionate about their jobs to be able to move up to HC positions. They've also learned from their failings as HC.

My opinion about Maryland's direction has no bearing on how I feel About Coach Ash's vision.

 

[Scarlet16E]

HC Experience is extremely overrated.

 

[TheB1GTerp]

HC Experience is extremely overrated.

Do you seriously think that's true? You need talent and fire, but you also need people who understand how to run a program and actually can coach.

Recruiting ability and Coaching ability needs to be on the staff, and you don't get to be a HC by not being able to coach.

Durkin has a mix of young and hungry guys and guys with HC experience:

Young and Hungry:
Durking (ace recruiter Geogia/FL/Midwest)
Bell (ace recruiter Georgia/NC/FL)
Rahim (ace recruiter DMV)

Old and Experienced:
Lempo (excellent special teams coach)
Schaefer (decent recruiter NY/NJ)
London (ace recruiter virginia)


I think Ash is putting together a good staff and he is just starting, let him FINISH with the staff, Durkin has been full time on this.

 

[miket007]

Rutgers could do the same thing if they hired 2 fired head coaches and a 3rd who likely sees the hand writing on the wall after going 8-16 the past 2 years.

Sure they have experience but it's not all good.

You fellas are missing the big picture, sure the HC's were fired but they were good enough to get the shot shit just didn't work out but Durkin & London with the younger fellas from bama equals huge recruiting dividends i can't see how you fellas don't think they are going to put in major work and they just got a commit from a rivals 250 og

 

[NickyNewark51]

Do you seriously think that's true? You need talent and fire, but you also need people who understand how to run a program and actually can coach.

Recruiting ability and Coaching ability needs to be on the staff, and you don't get to be a HC by not being able to coach.

Durkin has a mix of young and hungry guys and guys with HC experience:

Young and Hungry:
Durking (ace recruiter Geogia/FL/Midwest)
Bell (ace recruiter Georgia/NC/FL)
Rahim (ace recruiter DMV)

Old and Experienced:
Lempo (excellent special teams coach)
Schaefer (decent recruiter NY/NJ)
London (ace recruiter virginia)


I think Ash is putting together a good staff and he is just starting, let him FINISH with the staff, Durkin has been full time on this.

Shafer decent recruiter...where did you get that info...hes a terrible recruiter and i get it right off Cuse board though i agree...Acosta was able to crack the NJ nut but nothing worthwhile in NY and SS is worse than KF....

 

[Shimmy24]

Shafer decent recruiter...where did you get that info...hes a terrible recruiter and i get it right off Cuse board though i agree...Acosta was able to crack the NJ nut but nothing worthwhile in NY and SS is worse than KF....

Shafer was 100% brought in for his defensive coaching over his "decent" recruiting ability. He turned a pretty poor Syracuse defense into a respectable one.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Shafer was 100% brought in for his defensive coaching over his "decent" recruiting ability. He turned a pretty poor Syracuse defense into a respectable one.

yeah..i do like what he did with the D there...decent i'll agree with as a recruiter..

 

[NickyNewark51]

You fellas are missing the big picture, sure the HC's were fired but they were good enough to get the shot shit just didn't work out but Durkin & London with the younger fellas from bama equals huge recruiting dividends i can't see how you fellas don't think they are going to put in major work and they just got a commit from a rivals 250 og

I wish we grabbed London here...nice move..recruiting=lifeblood.

 

[Shimmy24]

yeah..i do like what he did with the D there...decent i'll agree with as a recruiter..

I was agreeing with you, lol. I like what Durkin has done with the staff so far (I think the fact that Pete Lembo was willing to step aside from Ball State to take a lesser job at MD speaks volumes about DJ), but outside of London, he didn't bring in any of the former head coaches for their recruiting prowess...he did it because they have experience. AAR and Walt Bell were likely brought in heavily for recruiting.

 

[withoutregard]

ash vs durkin are joined at the hip, until the first one leaves, ru vs md becomes a key game every year for both coaches and it adds extra juice for the fans

 

[Knight Shift]

Shafer was 100% brought in for his defensive coaching over his "decent" recruiting ability. He turned a pretty poor Syracuse defense into a respectable one.

Total/Scoring defense rank
2015-99/92
2014-26/37
2013-33/56
2012-48/46 (Marrones' last year)
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Seemed like a minor improvement in years 1 and 2 of Shafer with Marrone's players, and a significant falloff in his final year. This is respectable?

 

[Shimmy24]

Total/Scoring defense rank
2015-99/92
2014-26/37
2013-33/56
2012-48/46 (Marrones' last year)
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Seemed like a minor improvement in years 1 and 2 of Shafer with Marrone's players, and a significant falloff in his final year. This is respectable?

Total/Scoring defense rank
2015-99/92
2014-26/37
2013-33/56
2012-48/46 (Marrones' last year)
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Seemed like a minor improvement in years 1 and 2 of Shafer with Marrone's players, and a significant falloff in his final year. This is respectable?

You have pretty high standards if 26th in the country in total defense isn't good enough for you in two years. I understand it wasn't all of his players, but that's pretty respectable IMO.

 

[lighty]

Spending money does not mean success. Experienced coaches does not mean success.

I originally wanted RU to go the experienced head coach route, but I'm glad we went the other way. I think Ash has a good plan.

People seem to think lack of experience means results similar to the last coach. That's not true at all. The last coach should never have been hired. This coach was going to be hired by us or someone else -- either this year or next. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE!

 

[TheB1GTerp]

Shafer was 100% brought in for his defensive coaching over his "decent" recruiting ability. He turned a pretty poor Syracuse defense into a respectable one.

Who recruits well to Syracuse lately? Decent means he should get some 3 stars, I do not think that is asking much.

London, Locks, Durking, Rahim all have landed 4 and 5 star guys.

 

[vandalen1]

Someone mentioned on one of the OSU sites that Ash dropped out of the Syracuse HC job because Meyer told him no one could win at Syracuse. No idea if that's true.
As for staffs, I like both staffs. They'll be a little different in their recruiting approach is my guess.

 

[2LiveTerp]

Total/Scoring defense rank
2015-99/92
2014-26/37
2013-33/56
2012-48/46 (Marrones' last year)
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Seemed like a minor improvement in years 1 and 2 of Shafer with Marrone's players, and a significant falloff in his final year. This is respectable?

You do realize that he was DC ('09-'12) at Syracuse before becoming HC, right?

08 - 100/101
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09 - 37/81 (Shafer's 1st year as DC)
10 - 7/17
11 - 64/73
12 - 48/46