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Deshawn Freeman MUST start playing under control

Just a dumb statement that makes me question if you watched the game

You would have credibility if you said that Freeman could be better if he avoided the long range shots and finished better. But you lose all credibility when you say he didn’t help us yesterday and addition by subtraction. Too much hyperbole in your style.

You were so incredibly wrong about Eugene and an a hole about it. Saying things like they should run him off the team and force him to transfer. Or my favorite, there are guys on campus or on the football team that can do what he does...
 
OP just needs to word it better.

He plays very hard and outplays his size. His rebounding is tremendous.

But he does try to create too often when he simply doesn’t have the size or touch to do so. And when clearly defended well, he doesn’t look to dish it outside. Something we need him to desperately do because our outside shooters aren’t the best, and this will generally get them the cleanest looks.

It’s easy to say look at the stat line, but if he cleans some of this correctable stuff, we become a better team. A better team wins more games. This is the first team we have beaten as an underdog this year (I believe). Let’s not pretend he has carried us on his back to upsets this year
Pretty accurate & I really like & appreciate Freeman.
 
You should’ve just presented your point like he did brotha. Everyone on this board knows what Freeman is and how much more efficient he could be if he just let the game come to him. Literally everyone. But he just played 30 minutes in our biggest win and you made an absolute statement that was not entirely true.

And let’s be honest you know what you’re doing when you post it that way. Not that there’s anything wrong with that it’s your style, but, not everyone is required to be receptive to your delivery.

Marshall McLuhan's, The Medium is the Message might apply here (i.e.imo it's not just content but the mechanism-TV, Radio, and now Internet/ Social Media, and subtext- style: Hostile, Friendly etc.).

Kyk ....we all love RU. But your post / message were like:



MO
 
Down 63-54 with 5 minutes left. Out of a timeout Pikiell runs a set play to Freeman on the low box. Makes a baby hook to Stop a SHU 9-0 run. Huge basket in the game.
 
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I was at the game and also just rewatched it. Almost all of Freeman's shots were good shots to take (yes even the 3s he missed). I counted two forced shots that were ill-advised (did not consider any shot on which he got fouled a bad shot).

Yeah Baby has it right. You have to take the entirety of his contribution, including his misses down low that forced opposing bigs to double him and to work really hard.

Then when Eugene comes in fresher, he runs circles around their bigs and baffles them great moves underneath plus key rebounds, shots and put-backs, not to mention the steal and foul shots to seal it.
Come on man
 
You would have credibility if you said that Freeman could be better if he avoided the long range shots and finished better. But you lose all credibility when you say he didn’t help us yesterday and addition by subtraction. Too much hyperbole in your style.

You were so incredibly wrong about Eugene and an a hole about it. Saying things like they should run him off the team and force him to transfer. Or my favorite, there are guys on campus or on the football team that can do what he does...
He was awful last year, and yes we had athletes on the fb who couldve done what he did last year. Why are people pretending he was good last year? He was a liability and that's putting it nicely.

This year hes a top 3 player on our team.
 
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I generally agree with your assessment but Freeman taking any 3 point shot other than to beat the buzzer is bad shot. Unless it goes it in of course...

I was at the game and also just rewatched it. Almost all of Freeman's shots were good shots to take (yes even the 3s he missed). I counted two forced shots that were ill-advised (did not consider any shot on which he got fouled a bad shot).

Yeah Baby has it right. You have to take the entirety of his contribution, including his misses down low that forced opposing bigs to double him and to work really hard.

Then when Eugene comes in fresher, he runs circles around their bigs and baffles them great moves underneath plus key rebounds, shots and put-backs, not to mention the steal and foul shots to seal it.
 
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He was awful last year, and yes we had athletes on the fb who couldve done what he did last year. Why are people pretending he was good last year? He was a liability and that's putting it nicely.

This year hes a top 3 player on our team.

But no one else was saying that he would never improve and should be processed off the team.
 
He was awful last year, and yes we had athletes on the fb who couldve done what he did last year. Why are people pretending he was good last year? He was a liability and that's putting it nicely.

This year hes a top 3 player on our team.
Again, nobody said he was great last year but those who understand the game saw a lot of potential. That call was soooo bad by you that I would think you would tone down your posts. Not stop posting just tone down questioning and telling other people they don't know the game. RU-choppin-Ohio was stead fast in his belief in Souf which was more based on his belief in Pike than his own evaluation. So that I can waive off and he actually makes other good observations. To be fair your next good "call" will be your first in hoops. You are passionate about RU and we are all rooting for the same thing but I just think you would be better off admitting you might not be as knowledgeable as you think when it comes to hoops.
 
Again, nobody said he was great last year but those who understand the game saw a lot of potential. That call was soooo bad by you that I would think you would tone down your posts. Not stop posting just tone down questioning and telling other people they don't know the game. RU-choppin-Ohio was stead fast in his belief in Souf which was more based on his belief in Pike than his own evaluation. So that I can waive off and he actually makes other good observations. To be fair your next good "call" will be your first in hoops. You are passionate about RU and we are all rooting for the same thing but I just think you would be better off admitting you might not be as knowledgeable as you think when it comes to hoops.
So Nigel leaving the team hasnt been addition by subtraction? Because EVERYONE ripped me for that comment. I dont hear you clowns saying anything now about that. Funny how people only remember when im wrong
 
16 boards is great but he shouldn't toss up bricks from 3 point land early in the shot clock with real shooters like Sanders, Baker, Williams or even Sa on the floor.

The fact that you just characterized Sa as “a real shooter” tells me all I need to know.
 
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So Nigel leaving the team hasnt been addition by subtraction? Because EVERYONE ripped me for that comment. I dont hear you clowns saying anything now about that. Funny how people only remember when im wrong


Doubling down? Good luck!
 
So Nigel leaving the team hasnt been addition by subtraction? Because EVERYONE ripped me for that comment. I dont hear you clowns saying anything now about that. Funny how people only remember when im wrong

I think most people agreed Nigel was addition by subtraction and IIRC the concept was first brought to light publicly by some of the more tenured posters on the basketball board.
 
I think most people agreed Nigel was addition by subtraction and IIRC the concept was first brought to light publicly by some of the more tenured posters on the basketball board.
You can go back to the thread and see what i said. Pretty much everyone said I was wrong blah blah blah. What ive found on this board is that any time you criticize a player you could be right 99 times and still be called a dick 99 times, but if youre wrong a couple times thats all people will remember.

Only thing i was wrong on is i didnt foresee nigel landing at a p5/ big east program.

Hes been pretty bad against good competition again this year too.

Uva has played 5 "good" programs in VCU (who stinks this year), URI, Wisconsin, WVU and vanderbilt. In those 5 games hes averaged 5 points per game on 28% shooting from the field
 
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You can go back to the thread and see what i said. Pretty much everyone said I was wrong blah blah blah. What ive found on this board is that any time you criticize a player you could be right 99 times and still be called a dick 99 times, but if youre wrong a couple times thats all people will remember.

Only thing i was wrong on is i didnt foresee nigel landing at a p5/ big east program.

Hes been pretty bad against good competition again this year too.

Uva has played 5 "good" programs in VCU (who stinks this year), URI, Wisconsin, WVU and vanderbilt. In those 5 games hes averaged 5 points per game on 28% shooting from the field

Let me ask you this...You wouldn’t rather have Nigel around to spell geo and Corey opposed to only having Souf?
 
Let me ask you this...You wouldn’t rather have Nigel around to spell geo and Corey opposed to only having Souf?
So, heres my answer to that. Nigel is a ton better than souf, obviously. However this team would be worse with nigel right now. He would take away minutes from geo/corey, he plays a less efficient game, and if his minutes got cut hed be an absolute cancer. I forget what game it was, maybe illinois but did anyone remember seeing him pout on the bench and not even celebrate when we hit the game winning shot. Didnt even smile. Hed kill the vibe on the team. We are much better off without him. He'd be nice if he was willing to accept 10-12 minutes a game but he wouldnt accept that
 
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So, heres my answer to that. Nigel is a ton better than souf, obviously. However this team would be worse with nigel right now. He would take away minutes from geo/corey, he plays a less efficient game, and if his minutes got cut hed be an absolute cancer. I forget what game it was, maybe illinois but did anyone remember seeing him pout on the bench and not even celebrate when we hit the game winning shot. Didnt even smile. Hed kill the vibe on the team. We are much better off without him. He'd be nice if he was willing to accept 10-12 minutes a game but he wouldnt accept that

And by this SAME argument (i.e. Johnson being a potential cancer that would really hurt the team), then Freeman is basically the "anti-Johnson," in terms of how he leads the team, buys into Pikiell, and the effort he exudes by example. But for which you give him no credit, only looking at his missed FG attempts (just 1 part of his game).

One poster argued Freeman makes his team-mates better ... and another poster (not you, I do not think, though you may have agreed) argued Freeman does not make ANY of his team-mates better. I would argue that though Freeman does not set up his teammates, or pass that well out of the double-team, the way you - and frankly, most of us - might want ... the classic way to make teammates better, he DOES make his teammates better through other ways:

1) Leading in practice, by example.

2) Leading by example in games - in particular with his unrelenting effort, but also with his enthusiasm.

3) Often OWNING the boards with his great rebounding.

Losing Freeman WILL hurt for next year, without any real question. His loss may be able to be offset, with a combination of improvement by Omoruyi at PF, and other players at other positions, and HOPEFULLY Shaq Carter being a decent player.
 
And by this SAME argument (i.e. Johnson being a potential cancer that would really hurt the team), then Freeman is basically the "anti-Johnson," in terms of how he leads the team, buys into Pikiell, and the effort he exudes by example. But for which you give him no credit, only looking at his missed FG attempts (just 1 part of his game).

One poster argued Freeman makes his team-mates better ... and another poster (not you, I do not think, though you may have agreed) argued Freeman does not make ANY of his team-mates better. I would argue that though Freeman does not set up his teammates, or pass that well out of the double-team, the way you - and frankly, most of us - might want ... the classic way to make teammates better, he DOES make his teammates better through other ways:

1) Leading in practice, by example.

2) Leading by example in games - in particular with his unrelenting effort, but also with his enthusiasm.

3) Often OWNING the boards with his great rebounding.

Losing Freeman WILL hurt for next year, without any real question. His loss may be able to be offset, with a combination of improvement by Omoruyi at PF, and other players at other positions, and HOPEFULLY Shaq Carter being a decent player.
No doubt he plays hard and gives max effort but he also plays out of control and wreckless far too often. Hes an undersized 4 who tries to do too much. IMO in the limited clips ive seen of shaq carter, he can be a legitimate 4 who plays the role like a true 4 on both ends and who will play with a ton of effort as that is our culture. Love deshawns grit and toughness and effort but hes gotta start playing under control, hes going to cost us games if he keeps playing street ball. My opinion but I think we'll be a better team next year with Carter
 
Combined, Sanders and freeman take bad 5-10 shots a game. If we want to win in the b1g, they have to be more efficient.

LOVE Freeman's effort. The guy is a warrior. With Baker, Eugene and Duke, we dont need them to force the action as much (like we did last year).
 
BTN Live gave Freeman a lot of love - one of several guys cited as being unheralded platers
 
I generally agree with your assessment but Freeman taking any 3 point shot other than to beat the buzzer is bad shot.
agree with this. was a game or two prior (FD?) where he was all alone top of key couple times and put them up, i immediately said NO when could see him load up to shoot.
 
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Indiana always seems to have the pro typical hybrid college 3/4. Juwan Morgan is doing it this year, Onuwoby last year. Thats what you hope a Freeman/Eugene college player achieves. They both aren't that far away, which in the end is why they are valuable.
 
Indiana always seems to have the pro typical hybrid college 3/4. Juwan Morgan is doing it this year, Onuwoby last year. Thats what you hope a Freeman/Eugene college player achieves. They both aren't that far away, which in the end is why they are valuable.

Anunoby is a whole different level though, not a fair goal especially for Freeman. Anunoby was a freak of nature: 6’8 with a 7’6 wingspan and athletic enough to guard positions 1-4.
 
Hes killing us. His efficiency on the court is horrendous. Pike really needs to have a talk with him. Maybe he has but the message certainly hasnt gotten through as he keeps doing the same dumb shit, game after game after game
 
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Kyk for the win

his worst play tonight was deciding to take that fast break for a jam instead of passing to his open teammate...and what happened, he got called for the charge
 
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Kyk for the win

his worst play tonight was deciding to take that fast break for a jam instead of passing to his open teammate...and what happened, he got called for the charge
Also late in the game underneath, he gets put a pass on a silver platter, easy layup. Decides instead to crouch down and take his sweet ol time trying to get a dunk in a defenders face only to get stuffed.

I got ripped for making this thread after a win, might as well bump after a loss haha
 
Freeman's body language and facial expressions all game reaked of disinterest...not really sure what is up with him. But, I am a fan and by no means a basketball expert, but it seems like he singlehandedly killed us today.
 
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Also late in the game underneath, he gets put a pass on a silver platter, easy layup. Decides instead to crouch down and take his sweet ol time trying to get a dunk in a defenders face only to get stuffed.

I got ripped for making this thread after a win, might as well bump after a loss haha


You deserve a like ....for calling it.

I'll eat my crow medium rare - please.

MO
 
I like you, kyk, but...

Stick to football.
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Hes killing us. His efficiency on the court is horrendous. Pike really needs to have a talk with him. Maybe he has but the message certainly hasnt gotten through as he keeps doing the same dumb shit, game after game after game

You conveniently didn’t have any comments on this thread after Stonybrook, when freeman was 8/11 from the floor including 2/3 from three on his way to 20 points

You shouldn’t be waiting around for a bad game to bash one of our players. This roster as it stands would be significantly worse without him.
 
You conveniently didn’t have any comments on this thread after Stonybrook, when freeman was 8/11 from the floor including 2/3 from three on his way to 20 points

You shouldn’t be waiting around for a bad game to bash one of our players. This roster as it stands would be significantly worse without him.
Tbh didnt watch the stoneybrook game i was out to dinner with friends that night. My point is mainly he is a disaster against quality opponent, he happened to be awful vs hartford last night too
 
Tbh didnt watch the stoneybrook game i was out to dinner with friends that night. My point is mainly he is a disaster against quality opponent, he happened to be awful vs hartford last night too

Timing is everything. You made this post after Freeman had 11 rebounds against one of the best rebounders in the country. After the biggest win of the year. It was weird. There is enough blame to go around, and you singled one kid out.

Coaching sitting down with Freeman is a huge factor in how the rest of the season turns out.
 
Timing is everything. You made this post after Freeman had 11 rebounds against one of the best rebounders in the country. After the biggest win of the year. It was weird. There is enough blame to go around, and you singled one kid out.

Coaching sitting down with Freeman is a huge factor in how the rest of the season turns out.
He had a shit game against the hall. Plain and simple. Some people just cant look past a state line. Sure it might have been trying to bring up a criticism after a big win but isnt that what a message board is for? To discuss the issues your team has?
 
He had a shit game against the hall. Plain and simple. Some people just cant look past a state line. Sure it might have been trying to bring up a criticism after a big win but isnt that what a message board is for? To discuss the issues your team has?

He did, but Seton Hall had a worse game than him that game. Without him,there is no win there. A day before you posted about Myles Powell.
 
He did, but Seton Hall had a worse game than him that game. Without him,there is no win there. A day before you posted about Myles Powell.
I was trolling about myles powell and in hindsight it was in poor taste about his brother murdering a poor dude from behind in cold blood it had nothing to do with his play.

Myles is the best player on the hall and the only one that will play in the nba
 
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