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GAME 4 De Paul: On Pike

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This was an absolute hideous loss. I am not even going to do a full recap given how infuriated I am right now. Make no mistake about it. De Paul is terrible. They got hot shooting 3s but so what, it never should have been this close of a game

Pike has been given god like status above criticism because he got us from hell to the NCAA tourney but quite frankly his coaching and development of the team this season has been beyond atrocious. This loss is on him and the staff. From his insistence on playing Caleb, to his mind numbing subsitution pattern, from pulling the guys who got us on a run, to not having his team full of experienced players even have a clue on how to run an end game situation with 25 seconds, to taking the ball out of Rons hands on the last couple of possessions

I really dont have many illusions about this season, we arent very good. We just lost to the worst team in the Big East. I dont care what other Big 10 schools are doing, they are losing to better schools. Yet the game was more than winnable even playing as bad as we did. Thats why this is on Coach. He is not putting this team in the best position to win. Its almost as if he and his coaching staff are resting on their laurels and this team is following suit, not working hard, no hunger. Its disappointing to see all around from players and coaches but we saw hints of this last year in games vs Nebraska for example.

We can go through each individual play but we know the game was lost early on and by midway through the 2nd the dye was cast. Stubborn coach going to bring a loss. I saw very little change from the first 3 games, more of the same. So now we have a small 4 game sample of this team against poor competition and we see in all 4 games almost the same exact level of play, mistakes, wrong lineups, lack of intensity, carelessness, lack of leadership. This team is in dire need of a major shakeup yet there is very little on the bench to bring in because recruiting has so many misses...Palmquist, Reiber, Agee, Mag. These are not Big 10 players. We have one kid on the bench that can shoot like crazy but Pike will not let him play through his mistakes..so down in flames we go. Hyatt shows more upside than anyone on the team yet continues to sit for long parts of the game. If you think recruiting isnt an issue, you are just a shill for Pike. Its a problem and next year its going to get real bad if we cannot hit the portal.

So many landmines ahead that can torpedo the season right away starting with dangerous Lafayette, a good Clemson and then big dogs in the Big 10. Last game I said we would get a better read on the team after this game, well we got the returns and its not pretty
 
#imwithbac (on this post, not on everything 😎 )

Same template through 4 games, same results. Terrible first half performance, sticking to a script that’s not working. Looking for heroism in the second half. Sure, it works against Lehigh/Merrimack/NJIT (barely), but it will expose us. Pike needs to take a serious look at this team and try some different lineups/rotations.
 
This was an absolute hideous loss. I am not even going to do a full recap given how infuriated I am right now. Make no mistake about it. De Paul is terrible. They got hot shooting 3s but so what, it never should have been this close of a game

Pike has been given god like status above criticism because he got us from hell to the NCAA tourney but quite frankly his coaching and development of the team this season has been beyond atrocious. This loss is on him and the staff. From his insistence on playing Caleb, to his mind numbing subsitution pattern, from pulling the guys who got us on a run, to not having his team full of experienced players even have a clue on how to run an end game situation with 25 seconds, to taking the ball out of Rons hands on the last couple of possessions

I really dont have many illusions about this season, we arent very good. We just lost to the worst team in the Big East. I dont care what other Big 10 schools are doing, they are losing to better schools. Yet the game was more than winnable even playing as bad as we did. Thats why this is on Coach. He is not putting this team in the best position to win. Its almost as if he and his coaching staff are resting on their laurels and this team is following suit, not working hard, no hunger. Its disappointing to see all around from players and coaches but we saw hints of this last year in games vs Nebraska for example.

We can go through each individual play but we know the game was lost early on and by midway through the 2nd the dye was cast. Stubborn coach going to bring a loss. I saw very little change from the first 3 games, more of the same. So now we have a small 4 game sample of this team against poor competition and we see in all 4 games almost the same exact level of play, mistakes, wrong lineups, lack of intensity, carelessness, lack of leadership. This team is in dire need of a major shakeup yet there is very little on the bench to bring in because recruiting has so many misses...Palmquist, Reiber, Agee, Mag. These are not Big 10 players. We have one kid on the bench that can shoot like crazy but Pike will not let him play through his mistakes..so down in flames we go. Hyatt shows more upside than anyone on the team yet continues to sit for long parts of the game. If you think recruiting isnt an issue, you are just a shill for Pike. Its a problem and next year its going to get real bad if we cannot hit the portal.

So many landmines ahead that can torpedo the season right away starting with dangerous Lafayette, a good Clemson and then big dogs in the Big 10. Last game I said we would get a better read on the team after this game, well we got the returns and its not pretty
Don’t say I didn’t warn you after the NJIT game.
 
I know we didn’t get to the basket as much as the game went on, despite success in the paint early. However 33-6 in FTs is a notable disparity. I convinced myself that we’d get more respect as a B1G team off a tourney run, but Jesus. That’s a disparity out of the FHJ era and those were some BRUTAL ones.

There are deep seeded issues with this team and coach right now. And this is not the sole reason we lost this game, not by a long shot. I just wish for once, this coach would fight for these kids. Or at least let the stripes know.
 
I know we didn’t get to the basket as much as the game went on, despite success in the paint early. However 33-6 in FTs is a notable disparity. I convinced myself that we’d get more respect as a B1G team off a tourney run, but Jesus. That’s a disparity out of the FHJ era and those were some BRUTAL ones.

There are deep seeded issues with this team and coach right now. And this is not the sole reason we lost this game, not by a long shot. I just wish for once, this coach would fight for these kids. Or at least let the stripes know.
Pike was on the officials plenty.
 
Some of these takes are downright stupid. We lost because of the foul discrepancy. Not benching Caleb sooner hurt, but that’s not why we lost this game
 
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Some of these takes are downright stupid. We lost because of the foul discrepancy. Not benching Caleb sooner hurt, but that’s not why we lost this game
wrong..we couldnt play defense without fouling, always chasing, always slow, given open 3s and watching others fly in for boards
 
Foul discrepancies and lack of a final play yet again did it for me. We are what our record says we are, an offensively challenged team.
 
Really disappointed in Pike's coaching tonight. McConnell, who has been my favorite player, should be like the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation as something is very wrong. But Pike is to blame for playing him so long.

I disagree about Mag, whenever I see him play I see some potential, very springy and athletic, hit a nice jumper in the corner.

Have to admit I didn't focus on Jones' D, but Pike needs to learn that offense wins games too. If Jones transfers and lights it up somewhere else, this will be the most Rutgers thing ever.
 
Yes, there was a foul discrepancy but DePaul missed a ton of them so really this could’ve been a double digit loss easy. We lost in the first half when any semblance of cohesion on offense or the right players on the floor could’ve broken it open. Let the home team hang around and the tide can really turn down the stretch.

I agree that there is something to work with with Mag. I’d prefer to go small with him if we’re going to get the kind of production that Agee gives.
 
We lost because of our defense down the stretch. I blame Pike for not using his bench enough in the 2nd half. The 2 guys that got beat the most down the stretch played too many minutes.

40 minutes vs DePaul is different than NJIT or Merrimack.

Blame Hobbs too. Why would you schedule a OOC 48 hours before a game in Chicago? Stupidity!

The Season has not ended. We are bad right now. We had 2 stretches in each of the last 2 years when we are bad.

Am I worried? Yes

is it as bad as people might make it out to be? No

if 2 or 3 possessions go our way suddenly we are 4-0 and we have a gritty team that just finds a way to win.

we played good in stretches. We played bad D for 2 stretches in 2nd half and we’re very good other than that.
 
This was an absolute hideous loss. I am not even going to do a full recap given how infuriated I am right now. Make no mistake about it. De Paul is terrible. They got hot shooting 3s but so what, it never should have been this close of a game

Pike has been given god like status above criticism because he got us from hell to the NCAA tourney but quite frankly his coaching and development of the team this season has been beyond atrocious. This loss is on him and the staff. From his insistence on playing Caleb, to his mind numbing subsitution pattern, from pulling the guys who got us on a run, to not having his team full of experienced players even have a clue on how to run an end game situation with 25 seconds, to taking the ball out of Rons hands on the last couple of possessions

I really dont have many illusions about this season, we arent very good. We just lost to the worst team in the Big East. I dont care what other Big 10 schools are doing, they are losing to better schools. Yet the game was more than winnable even playing as bad as we did. Thats why this is on Coach. He is not putting this team in the best position to win. Its almost as if he and his coaching staff are resting on their laurels and this team is following suit, not working hard, no hunger. Its disappointing to see all around from players and coaches but we saw hints of this last year in games vs Nebraska for example.

We can go through each individual play but we know the game was lost early on and by midway through the 2nd the dye was cast. Stubborn coach going to bring a loss. I saw very little change from the first 3 games, more of the same. So now we have a small 4 game sample of this team against poor competition and we see in all 4 games almost the same exact level of play, mistakes, wrong lineups, lack of intensity, carelessness, lack of leadership. This team is in dire need of a major shakeup yet there is very little on the bench to bring in because recruiting has so many misses...Palmquist, Reiber, Agee, Mag. These are not Big 10 players. We have one kid on the bench that can shoot like crazy but Pike will not let him play through his mistakes..so down in flames we go. Hyatt shows more upside than anyone on the team yet continues to sit for long parts of the game. If you think recruiting isnt an issue, you are just a shill for Pike. Its a problem and next year its going to get real bad if we cannot hit the portal.

So many landmines ahead that can torpedo the season right away starting with dangerous Lafayette, a good Clemson and then big dogs in the Big 10. Last game I said we would get a better read on the team after this game, well we got the returns and its not pretty
At least they put me out of my misery early in the season. I have better things to spend my time in than watching a team get outshot, outrebkubded and out hustled. And this is a 20+ year season ticket holder speaking.

kyk may be right, Pike=high floor and low ceiling. Last year may have been the best we’ll get.
 
At least they put me out of my misery early in the season. I have better things to spend my time in than watching a team get outshot, outrebkubded and out hustled. And this is a 20+ year season ticket holder speaking.

kyk may be right, Pike=high floor and low ceiling. Last year may have been the best we’ll get.
Its really that simple. When you put no emphasis on offense and it all on defense it simply gives you a high floor but very low ceiling
 
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The most disappointing part of this loss is that our team will be terrible next year unless we hit the portal hard. This loss while not indicative of the whole season, I think could be a preview of what is going come. We are not good enough to beat any team with a pulse right now.
 
Have to admit I didn't focus on Jones' D, but Pike needs to learn that offense wins games too. If Jones transfers and lights it up somewhere else, this will be the most Rutgers thing evever.
Don't worry. Jones is not going anywhere. With Baker and Harper gone next season, Jones will play at least 30 minutes each game.
 
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We lost because of our defense down the stretch. I blame Pike for not using his bench enough in the 2nd half. The 2 guys that got beat the most down the stretch played too many minutes.

40 minutes vs DePaul is different than NJIT or Merrimack.

Blame Hobbs too. Why would you schedule a OOC 48 hours before a game in Chicago? Stupidity!

The Season has not ended. We are bad right now. We had 2 stretches in each of the last 2 years when we are bad.

Am I worried? Yes

is it as bad as people might make it out to be? No

if 2 or 3 possessions go our way suddenly we are 4-0 and we have a gritty team that just finds a way to win.

we played good in stretches. We played bad D for 2 stretches in 2nd half and we’re very good other than that.

If a travel gets called instead of a foul on Paul, Ron’s three ties the game and completely changes the finish. We would’ve been tied rather than fouling up 1.

Not here to make excuses. There are a lot of issues with this team that need to be corrected but this reaction is so over the top. As I said, very reminiscent of the loss to Bonnies.
 
The elephant in the room right now is this

We have four below average man to man defenders (Paul, geo, Agee and Jaden )

And a young center that is raw

Pike isn’t going to get these guys to play defense the way he wants to ...

So can we become an effective zone team on the fly ...which will allow more offense on the floor

Dead serious ...because if you watch the defense in our first four games ...you will see it
 
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It doesn’t help that Pike made absolutely outrageous claims regarding this group.

“His best team here”.

“His best 5 man combo since he’s been here”

“How great the chemistry is”

Ridiculous expectations put a group that clearly doesn’t have it. I mean what complete and utter ****ing nonsense. And taking parting shots at Young? Who is 10x the player his pets Mulcahy and McConnell are? Bullshit.
 
The elephant in the room right now is this

We have four below average man to man defenders (Paul, geo, Agee and Jaden )

And a young center that is raw

Pike isn’t going to get these guys to play defense the way he wants to ...

So can we become an effective zone team on the fly ...which will allow more offense on the floor

Dead serious ...because if you watch the defense in our first four games ...you sound see it
THIS!!!!
 
Discrepancy of fouls due to quickness of DePaul players compared to Rutgers. Omoruyi will be here for 4 years. We need a coach who can teach him some moves around the basket. Again our offense is one on one basketball and the only one could do that last year was Young.
 
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How does anyone come away from today not thinking DePaul is literal dogshit? We are simply worse than that
 
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I can’t wait to bump my posts from last year when everyone was calling me a moron, it seems more people are waking up to the truth
 
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