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Probably paywall so just some notable quotables…

DAN SHAUGHNESSY
The men’s NCAA tournament used to be great. But now that it’s professional basketball? No thanks.

“With the Power Four conferences, it’s fraud in terms of terminology,” says Leo Papile, former player personnel director of the Celtics (14 seasons) and presently a senior adviser with the Clippers who founded the Boston Athletic Basketball Club (BABC) 48 years ago. “They use the term ‘student-athletes.’ That’s fraud. If you brought that to trial, it would be very easy to prove that that does not exist. I’m not a scholar, but I know that in order to get a degree, you can’t bounce around three or four schools in four years.”

“Today’s NCAA basketball is unregulated professional basketball. Frothy fans boost their favorite school, screaming their heads off for skilled professional players, most of whom have zero allegiance to said college, and some of whom maybe never set foot in a classroom or interacted with anyone on campus outside of the athletic department and compliance office.”

“When history is reviewed years from now, there’ll be an asterisk for UConn winning last year because their starting guards were fifth-year players,” says Papile. “That’s like 15-year-olds playing in Little League. It’s the same with St. John’s this year. I know Pitino’s a wizard now and Dan Hurley’s a wizard. The shills talk about how they’re all Michelangelo and Picasso. They make them out to be geniuses. They’re nice guys and everything, but they’re not kings of science. They’re using players that for the previous hundred years would have been ineligible. Three schools is the norm. These are short-term rentals.“

How can programs like Tommy Amaker's Harvard compete in the modern college basketball landscape? “I’m a big proponent of student-athletes being compensated but don’t like the path this has evolved into,” says Harvard’s coach of 17 seasons. “It’s now strictly pay-for-play and there’s been an incredible disruption of the system. This era has gone from being transformational to strictly transactional . . . as for fans, I don’t know how you get connected to individual players like before. There is no stability, no continuity.”

“Guys will be transferring at halftime pretty soon,” adds Papile.

“These donors are adult men who dress up in costumes, like for Auburn or Texas Tech or Oklahoma,” says Papile. “Adult children. Basketball wastrels. You’re gonna give a million dollars to be the 13th team in the SEC to get in the tournament? Imagine that being your life’s purpose?”

New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick last weekend wrote, “Big-time/big-ticket college sports are now predicated on a form of legalized adult mental illness, including responsible adults who provide NIL money to athletes who might stay a year to satisfy the donor’s shallow lust to see ‘their school’ win games by their purchased-at-auction human chattel.”

“That sums it up in very few words,” says Lee Raker, who played in a Final Four with Ralph Sampson at Virginia in the early 1980s and was drafted by the Clippers. “I don’t understand how people can pour money into this. It’s not student-athletes. It’s become just about where you can get the most money and there’s no restrictions. How is this system good for anybody other than the athletes monetizing themselves before they get to the NBA?

“You can’t develop kids and make them play better if you’ve got them for just one year. Everybody loses that community, and connection to the school. It used to be you’d follow your team and the big reward was watching a group graduate after playing four years together maybe making the Final Four. Not now. These are not student-athletes. They are paid athletes who happen to be in a college.”
 
Probably paywall so just some notable quotables…

DAN SHAUGHNESSY
The men’s NCAA tournament used to be great. But now that it’s professional basketball? No thanks.

“With the Power Four conferences, it’s fraud in terms of terminology,” says Leo Papile, former player personnel director of the Celtics (14 seasons) and presently a senior adviser with the Clippers who founded the Boston Athletic Basketball Club (BABC) 48 years ago. “They use the term ‘student-athletes.’ That’s fraud. If you brought that to trial, it would be very easy to prove that that does not exist. I’m not a scholar, but I know that in order to get a degree, you can’t bounce around three or four schools in four years.”

“Today’s NCAA basketball is unregulated professional basketball. Frothy fans boost their favorite school, screaming their heads off for skilled professional players, most of whom have zero allegiance to said college, and some of whom maybe never set foot in a classroom or interacted with anyone on campus outside of the athletic department and compliance office.”

“When history is reviewed years from now, there’ll be an asterisk for UConn winning last year because their starting guards were fifth-year players,” says Papile. “That’s like 15-year-olds playing in Little League. It’s the same with St. John’s this year. I know Pitino’s a wizard now and Dan Hurley’s a wizard. The shills talk about how they’re all Michelangelo and Picasso. They make them out to be geniuses. They’re nice guys and everything, but they’re not kings of science. They’re using players that for the previous hundred years would have been ineligible. Three schools is the norm. These are short-term rentals.“

How can programs like Tommy Amaker's Harvard compete in the modern college basketball landscape? “I’m a big proponent of student-athletes being compensated but don’t like the path this has evolved into,” says Harvard’s coach of 17 seasons. “It’s now strictly pay-for-play and there’s been an incredible disruption of the system. This era has gone from being transformational to strictly transactional . . . as for fans, I don’t know how you get connected to individual players like before. There is no stability, no continuity.”

“Guys will be transferring at halftime pretty soon,” adds Papile.

“These donors are adult men who dress up in costumes, like for Auburn or Texas Tech or Oklahoma,” says Papile. “Adult children. Basketball wastrels. You’re gonna give a million dollars to be the 13th team in the SEC to get in the tournament? Imagine that being your life’s purpose?”

New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick last weekend wrote, “Big-time/big-ticket college sports are now predicated on a form of legalized adult mental illness, including responsible adults who provide NIL money to athletes who might stay a year to satisfy the donor’s shallow lust to see ‘their school’ win games by their purchased-at-auction human chattel.”

“That sums it up in very few words,” says Lee Raker, who played in a Final Four with Ralph Sampson at Virginia in the early 1980s and was drafted by the Clippers. “I don’t understand how people can pour money into this. It’s not student-athletes. It’s become just about where you can get the most money and there’s no restrictions. How is this system good for anybody other than the athletes monetizing themselves before they get to the NBA?

“You can’t develop kids and make them play better if you’ve got them for just one year. Everybody loses that community, and connection to the school. It used to be you’d follow your team and the big reward was watching a group graduate after playing four years together maybe making the Final Four. Not now. These are not student-athletes. They are paid athletes who happen to be in a college.”
Truth!
 
Probably paywall so just some notable quotables…

DAN SHAUGHNESSY
The men’s NCAA tournament used to be great. But now that it’s professional basketball? No thanks.

“With the Power Four conferences, it’s fraud in terms of terminology,” says Leo Papile, former player personnel director of the Celtics (14 seasons) and presently a senior adviser with the Clippers who founded the Boston Athletic Basketball Club (BABC) 48 years ago. “They use the term ‘student-athletes.’ That’s fraud. If you brought that to trial, it would be very easy to prove that that does not exist. I’m not a scholar, but I know that in order to get a degree, you can’t bounce around three or four schools in four years.”

“Today’s NCAA basketball is unregulated professional basketball. Frothy fans boost their favorite school, screaming their heads off for skilled professional players, most of whom have zero allegiance to said college, and some of whom maybe never set foot in a classroom or interacted with anyone on campus outside of the athletic department and compliance office.”

“When history is reviewed years from now, there’ll be an asterisk for UConn winning last year because their starting guards were fifth-year players,” says Papile. “That’s like 15-year-olds playing in Little League. It’s the same with St. John’s this year. I know Pitino’s a wizard now and Dan Hurley’s a wizard. The shills talk about how they’re all Michelangelo and Picasso. They make them out to be geniuses. They’re nice guys and everything, but they’re not kings of science. They’re using players that for the previous hundred years would have been ineligible. Three schools is the norm. These are short-term rentals.“

How can programs like Tommy Amaker's Harvard compete in the modern college basketball landscape? “I’m a big proponent of student-athletes being compensated but don’t like the path this has evolved into,” says Harvard’s coach of 17 seasons. “It’s now strictly pay-for-play and there’s been an incredible disruption of the system. This era has gone from being transformational to strictly transactional . . . as for fans, I don’t know how you get connected to individual players like before. There is no stability, no continuity.”

“Guys will be transferring at halftime pretty soon,” adds Papile.

“These donors are adult men who dress up in costumes, like for Auburn or Texas Tech or Oklahoma,” says Papile. “Adult children. Basketball wastrels. You’re gonna give a million dollars to be the 13th team in the SEC to get in the tournament? Imagine that being your life’s purpose?”

New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick last weekend wrote, “Big-time/big-ticket college sports are now predicated on a form of legalized adult mental illness, including responsible adults who provide NIL money to athletes who might stay a year to satisfy the donor’s shallow lust to see ‘their school’ win games by their purchased-at-auction human chattel.”

“That sums it up in very few words,” says Lee Raker, who played in a Final Four with Ralph Sampson at Virginia in the early 1980s and was drafted by the Clippers. “I don’t understand how people can pour money into this. It’s not student-athletes. It’s become just about where you can get the most money and there’s no restrictions. How is this system good for anybody other than the athletes monetizing themselves before they get to the NBA?

“You can’t develop kids and make them play better if you’ve got them for just one year. Everybody loses that community, and connection to the school. It used to be you’d follow your team and the big reward was watching a group graduate after playing four years together maybe making the Final Four. Not now. These are not student-athletes. They are paid athletes who happen to be in a college.”
Sadly it’s not going to change
 
Probably paywall so just some notable quotables…

DAN SHAUGHNESSY
The men’s NCAA tournament used to be great. But now that it’s professional basketball? No thanks.

“With the Power Four conferences, it’s fraud in terms of terminology,” says Leo Papile, former player personnel director of the Celtics (14 seasons) and presently a senior adviser with the Clippers who founded the Boston Athletic Basketball Club (BABC) 48 years ago. “They use the term ‘student-athletes.’ That’s fraud. If you brought that to trial, it would be very easy to prove that that does not exist. I’m not a scholar, but I know that in order to get a degree, you can’t bounce around three or four schools in four years.”

“Today’s NCAA basketball is unregulated professional basketball. Frothy fans boost their favorite school, screaming their heads off for skilled professional players, most of whom have zero allegiance to said college, and some of whom maybe never set foot in a classroom or interacted with anyone on campus outside of the athletic department and compliance office.”

“When history is reviewed years from now, there’ll be an asterisk for UConn winning last year because their starting guards were fifth-year players,” says Papile. “That’s like 15-year-olds playing in Little League. It’s the same with St. John’s this year. I know Pitino’s a wizard now and Dan Hurley’s a wizard. The shills talk about how they’re all Michelangelo and Picasso. They make them out to be geniuses. They’re nice guys and everything, but they’re not kings of science. They’re using players that for the previous hundred years would have been ineligible. Three schools is the norm. These are short-term rentals.“

How can programs like Tommy Amaker's Harvard compete in the modern college basketball landscape? “I’m a big proponent of student-athletes being compensated but don’t like the path this has evolved into,” says Harvard’s coach of 17 seasons. “It’s now strictly pay-for-play and there’s been an incredible disruption of the system. This era has gone from being transformational to strictly transactional . . . as for fans, I don’t know how you get connected to individual players like before. There is no stability, no continuity.”

“Guys will be transferring at halftime pretty soon,” adds Papile.

“These donors are adult men who dress up in costumes, like for Auburn or Texas Tech or Oklahoma,” says Papile. “Adult children. Basketball wastrels. You’re gonna give a million dollars to be the 13th team in the SEC to get in the tournament? Imagine that being your life’s purpose?”

New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick last weekend wrote, “Big-time/big-ticket college sports are now predicated on a form of legalized adult mental illness, including responsible adults who provide NIL money to athletes who might stay a year to satisfy the donor’s shallow lust to see ‘their school’ win games by their purchased-at-auction human chattel.”

“That sums it up in very few words,” says Lee Raker, who played in a Final Four with Ralph Sampson at Virginia in the early 1980s and was drafted by the Clippers. “I don’t understand how people can pour money into this. It’s not student-athletes. It’s become just about where you can get the most money and there’s no restrictions. How is this system good for anybody other than the athletes monetizing themselves before they get to the NBA?

“You can’t develop kids and make them play better if you’ve got them for just one year. Everybody loses that community, and connection to the school. It used to be you’d follow your team and the big reward was watching a group graduate after playing four years together maybe making the Final Four. Not now. These are not student-athletes. They are paid athletes who happen to be in a college.”
some amazing spot on assessments. This will not be sustainable but you cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Death is coming for college sports as we know it. College sports in a decade will be structured so radically different some will no longer care.
 
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"College and high school sports are hypocrisies. The pros at least admit it's for the money. Colleges and high schools talk about all this character building bullshit." Peter Gent said this over 50 years ago. The hypocrisy has been laid bare and the amateur house of cards has come tumbling down. It's not pretty, and it's not going away.
 
You need collective bargaining like the pros. Contracts,stipulations and the rest.The current status is ridiculous. People root for pro teams that have contracts and people playing for money.It would, however ,be great if some semblance of college sports remained. Rooting for an NBA team was fun years ago when there were double headers at the odl garden, now not so much. Maybe if they get paid they have to certain academic status by contract.
 
"College and high school sports are hypocrisies. The pros at least admit it's for the money. Colleges and high schools talk about all this character building bullshit." Peter Gent said this over 50 years ago. The hypocrisy has been laid bare and the amateur house of cards has come tumbling down. It's not pretty, and it's not going away.

i don't like throwing high school in there, personally. i think the vast majority of high school athletes are in it for all the old school reasons we grew up with. sure the img academies and aau circuits are gross but that is a very small % of all athletes.

my focus this season was 67% on high school and 33% on RU (i do have two kids in HS sports fwiw) and the RU number was only so high because of ace and dylan. i think next year ru will get even less of my attention esp if most of our guys from this season don't return. trying to get myself all worked up about a new crop of one year players gets less exciting every year. i will still attend games but more because i love hoops than to live and die with ru wins/losses.
 
Thought the article was off base.

Also pretty crazy to put asterisks on titles for 5th year players especially if we consider how we view Pikiells success and how much it was predicated on the Covid year saving us.

Someone posted the other day "Pike was building the program into a national championship contender had the business landscape not changed." It’s been a fairly consistent narrative shared here that I believe is patently false. Without the benefit of the free covid year:


21-22 play in team wouldn't have had geo

22-23 team that got "snubbed" wouldn't have had Caleb

23-24 would have lost Paul and Spencer anyway to graduation

24-25 would have lost cliff and mag anyway to graduation

I guess we can pretend pike would have upgraded in the portal, although the argument most are making is without the portal pike would be better off.
 
Cue the "its always been like this" posts about players getting paid in secret. No that is not what is happening here
But it is and is the harsh reality for most players....just because it was never that way at RU, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the SEC, Big 8, Pac 10, Big East and ACC since the 80s.....

What's disappointing about the articles being written is just acting as if this is "NEW".....like Duke convinced Jay Williams to play there and that Dahntay Jones miraculously realized he was more valuable at Duke than RU......these players selected Duke because of money, not academics or something else.

The problem is some fanbases have been lied to by coaches for years....the alumni want the wins and they want this buried and underground, for some odd reason.....when other coaches like Schiano 15 to 20 years ago stated that "not every kid is a Rutgers man", we care about making sure they go to class and some other schools don't ".....it was something that made fans feel good about knowing that they're going to compete "the right way"......

That is powerful stuff.....if fans want to be lied to, it can't happen anymore and it's the players fault now??

The reason why it is so uncomfortable for fans is that there’s no one to blame in this scenario.....fans are used to blaming the Knicks owner James Dolan....Or the Jets old owner Leon Hess.....or now it's Woody Johnson for the Jets or even the Mara family is being questioned....

In pro sports, blame the owners for not spending money up to the max available to win....

In college sports it's up to YOU to ensure RU wins enough....or up to ME and every reader to do so.....OR convince a billionaire RU fan or alumni to care enough and fund these players.

Stop living in denial....until it is important enough for an amount of RU fans, that's when things change.....
 
But it is and is the harsh reality for most players....just because it was never that way at RU, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the SEC, Big 8, Pac 10, Big East and ACC since the 80s.....

What's disappointing about the articles being written is just acting as if this is "NEW".....like Duke convinced Jay Williams to play there and that Dahntay Jones miraculously realized he was more valuable at Duke than RU......these players selected Duke because of money, not academics or something else.

The problem is some fanbases have been lied to by coaches for years....the alumni want the wins and they want this buried and underground, for some odd reason.....when other coaches like Schiano 15 to 20 years ago stated that "not every kid is a Rutgers man", we care about making sure they go to class and some other schools don't ".....it was something that made fans feel good about knowing that they're going to compete "the right way"......

That is powerful stuff.....if fans want to be lied to, it can't happen anymore and it's the players fault now??

The reason why it is so uncomfortable for fans is that there’s no one to blame in this scenario.....fans are used to blaming the Knicks owner James Dolan....Or the Jets old owner Leon Hess.....or now it's Woody Johnson for the Jets or even the Mara family is being questioned....

In pro sports, blame the owners for not spending money up to the max available to win....

In college sports it's up to YOU to ensure RU wins enough....or up to ME and every reader to do so.....OR convince a billionaire RU fan or alumni to care enough and fund these players.

Stop living in denial....until it is important enough for an amount of RU fans, that's when things change.....
no they were not paying out $5 million for a starting 5 with players in a portal in free agency on EVERY school

sure it was happening alot at about a dozen schools and some undercover stuff even at schools like Rutgers.

stop acting like this is normal and everything didnt change in a big way in 5 years where the players were given total control in a wild west where now the fans are expected to pay for their well being and future.

kids dont even have to sit out anymore, there are no transfers rule, they dont go to class, they were given an extra year after covid. The players were given everything to them by the schools and the courts, college sports is completely finished in the way we knew
 
NJH is correct....with the game on the court morphing in to the NBA little by little a guy like me starts to wonder.....Why not just switch to the NBA? If the only thing is really wearing the uniform that pays the most then why am I rooting for Rutgers?
 
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But it is and is the harsh reality for most players....just because it was never that way at RU, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the SEC, Big 8, Pac 10, Big East and ACC since the 80s.....

What's disappointing about the articles being written is just acting as if this is "NEW".....like Duke convinced Jay Williams to play there and that Dahntay Jones miraculously realized he was more valuable at Duke than RU......these players selected Duke because of money, not academics or something else.

The problem is some fanbases have been lied to by coaches for years....the alumni want the wins and they want this buried and underground, for some odd reason.....when other coaches like Schiano 15 to 20 years ago stated that "not every kid is a Rutgers man", we care about making sure they go to class and some other schools don't ".....it was something that made fans feel good about knowing that they're going to compete "the right way"......

That is powerful stuff.....if fans want to be lied to, it can't happen anymore and it's the players fault now??

The reason why it is so uncomfortable for fans is that there’s no one to blame in this scenario.....fans are used to blaming the Knicks owner James Dolan....Or the Jets old owner Leon Hess.....or now it's Woody Johnson for the Jets or even the Mara family is being questioned....

In pro sports, blame the owners for not spending money up to the max available to win....

In college sports it's up to YOU to ensure RU wins enough....or up to ME and every reader to do so.....OR convince a billionaire RU fan or alumni to care enough and fund these players.

Stop living in denial....until it is important enough for an amount of RU fans, that's when things change.....
As I said, due to the paywall I only posted excerpts so you don’t have total context, but the article did reference that this is not entirely new, but fundamentally worse.

“Clearly, cash and cheating long ago corrupted the sweet amateur status of college basketball and it’s been decades since most of the players on the court had real connection to the schools represented on their jerseys.”

“But as we start the 2025 men’s tournament, it’s also clear that TV money, NIL money, and the transfer portal have broken a once-great product and frayed lingering threads that once connected the athletes to the schools they represent. Players who are unhappy with their compensation or playing time rush to transfer and some big-time men’s basketball rosters turn over annually. Big-time NCAA men’s basketball has become professional basketball without the rules that govern the NBA.”
 
NJH is correct....with the game on the court morphing in to the NBA little by little a guy like me starts to wonder.....Why not just switch to the NBA? If the only thing is really wearing the uniform that pays the most then why am I rooting for Rutgers?
Crazy how quickly the name on the back doesn’t matter it’s the name on the front that holds all the value disappeared as one of the go to NIL arguments.
 
As I said, due to the paywall I only posted excerpts so you don’t have total context, but the article did reference that this is not entirely new, but fundamentally worse.

“Clearly, cash and cheating long ago corrupted the sweet amateur status of college basketball and it’s been decades since most of the players on the court had real connection to the schools represented on their jerseys.”

“But as we start the 2025 men’s tournament, it’s also clear that TV money, NIL money, and the transfer portal have broken a once-great product and frayed lingering threads that once connected the athletes to the schools they represent. Players who are unhappy with their compensation or playing time rush to transfer and some big-time men’s basketball rosters turn over annually. Big-time NCAA men’s basketball has become professional basketball without the rules that govern the NBA.”
Still record viewing numbers occurring. Seems the verbal feedback of fans and consumers say one thing and the operational feedback continues to say something else.
 
no they were not paying out $5 million for a starting 5 with players in a portal in free agency on EVERY school

sure it was happening alot at about a dozen schools and some undercover stuff even at schools like Rutgers.

stop acting like this is normal and everything didnt change in a big way in 5 years where the players were given total control in a wild west where now the fans are expected to pay for their well being and future.

kids dont even have to sit out anymore, there are no transfers rule, they dont go to class, they were given an extra year after covid. The players were given everything to them by the schools and the courts, college sports is completely finished in the way we knew
Again, RU has not participated at a higher level OR is used to losing or unfortunately, conditioned to losing.

This is not new....the sitting out a year if you transfer was always based on some high priced lawyers, threatening to sue the NCAA, if they didn't grant "a waiver"....now, if the kids sat out a year, do you think anything ultimately changes?? Maybe but why should a kid sit out, if his coach is fired....or the assistant coach he is closest with, gets fired, promoted or earns a Head Coaching job.....??

This is bizarre that of all the years in the Big East for basketball, that you wanted to believe recruits suddenly decided in the late 80s, that going to Syracuse, Pittsburgh, etc, was because they loved going 5 hours away.....LOL, they went for the money.....this dates back to players in HS, before I even got to High School....like Craig "Ironhead", Hayward deciding to go to Pitt, was "just because".....

Then the same in denial RU fans, were fine with hiring Fred Hill Jr, because of what exactly?? His "brilliant" coaching OR his ability to funnel kids from NJ to Villanova, to help build up the Jay Wright program.....I'm sure that was done for free....!!....Did Jay Wright hire FHJ for his coaching.....???

We hired Hill because he "might" bring or keep some of the NJ kids home.

This is an attempt to ignore the obvious.....just admit you don't want to see how the meal is prepared.....I'm not going to say you don't have a right to be upset.....it shatters the mirage or image of nonsense....you don't care if any player goes to class.....and to act as if you do, is not relevant.

If Pike mentions the teams GPA is this or that, the same RU fans moan and whine....they want 90 PTS a game, and if Myles Johnson is brilliant and can earn a double degree GREAT.....just don't do it and be a sub 50% FT shooter....!!! (Sarcasm, but not really)......
 
im not interested in paying one year rentals, thats why i will likely be outta here soon. I have no connection to Dylan Harper just like I have no connection to PJ Hayes. In 6 months they will just be names to me that passed through here.

Greene is right...just watch the nba instead and even there you have a cohesive team from year to year but I never watch the nba so that will not work.

again you keep comparing the current situation to how its always been done and no this isnt the same
 
NJH is correct....with the game on the court morphing in to the NBA little by little a guy like me starts to wonder.....Why not just switch to the NBA? If the only thing is really wearing the uniform that pays the most then why am I rooting for Rutgers?
I mean to be the only and biggest differentiating factor is the structure. College basketball has tremendous home courts, bands, distinguishing traditions, etc., and has a much better regular-season structure in which every game matters/is taken seriously. Plus March Madness is still awesome until Greg Sankey ****s it up
 
If we want this to end, the solution is simple. Since God hates Rutgers, we need to get very good at NIL and then god will end it. Much like he did the 19-20 season.

Maybe we should just sell our souls to the Saudis and get that OPEC money.
 
im not interested in paying one year rentals, thats why i will likely be outta here soon. I have no connection to Dylan Harper just like I have no connection to PJ Hayes. In 6 months they will just be names to me that passed through here.

Greene is right...just watch the nba instead and even there you have a cohesive team from year to year but I never watch the nba so that will not work.

again you keep comparing the current situation to how its always been done and no this isnt the same

I see your point, but That’s BS. Dylan has been running around the RAC since he was in middle school. That pic of Ron holding him in one arm is iconic. Dylan is family.
 
Crazy how quickly the name on the back doesn’t matter it’s the name on the front that holds all the value disappeared as one of the go to NIL arguments.

It is really funny.

So many people said “players have no value! They don’t deserve any more money. All anyone cares about is the team on the front.”

But then it’s quickly “if the players keep changing then I don’t care about the team as much.”

Rutgers could change the entire roster annually and my interest would go down a bit.
I didn’t stop following the Devils when Brodeur left. Or when Eli left the Giants.

The irony is that everyone (except @Greene Rice FIG ) was beyond excited for this years team of “mercenaries” (Ace, Dylan included).

Somehow losing is more “fun” if it’s the same players as last year.
 
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im not interested in paying one year rentals, thats why i will likely be outta here soon. I have no connection to Dylan Harper just like I have no connection to PJ Hayes. In 6 months they will just be names to me that passed through here.

Greene is right...just watch the nba instead and even there you have a cohesive team from year to year but I never watch the nba so that will not work.

again you keep comparing the current situation to how its always been done and no this isnt the same

Did you feel that way pre-season?
There was no connection to Dylan and Ace then but everyone seemed pretty excited to watch the team.

It’s almost as if results are more important than how long the players have been on the team.
If we made the tournament I think many would be whistling a different tune about “mercenaries”.
 
NJH is correct....with the game on the court morphing in to the NBA little by little a guy like me starts to wonder.....Why not just switch to the NBA? If the only thing is really wearing the uniform that pays the most then why am I rooting for Rutgers?

To be honest, the NBA is kind of terrible compared to college - I say this as a bball novice. It just looks like a track meet. Maybe it’s just my Rutgers nature, but I’m way more fired up about a strong defensive stand. How great was it against USC seeing flashes of what a Pike defense looks like, swarming, gritty.
 
If we want this to end, the solution is simple. Since God hates Rutgers, we need to get very good at NIL and then god will end it. Much like he did the 19-20 season.

Maybe we should just sell our souls to the Saudis and get that OPEC money.

haha...imagine

duke has offered this five star 8 million for next season but oh wait here's Rutgers with a 20 million deal. rutgers wins...again.
 
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To be honest, the NBA is kind of terrible compared to college - I say this as a bball novice. It just looks like a track meet. Maybe it’s just my Rutgers nature, but I’m way more fired up about a strong defensive stand. How great was it against USC seeing flashes of what a Pike defense looks like, swarming, gritty.

Would you rather a track meet and win or a swarming gritty defense and lose?

People (and coaches) get to stuck on “how” teams should win instead of what’s most likely to lead to winning.
 
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Did you feel that way pre-season?
There was no connection to Dylan and Ace then but everyone seemed pretty excited to watch the team.

It’s almost as if results are more important than how long the players have been on the team.
If we made the tournament I think many would be whistling a different tune about “mercenaries”.
but they didnt and this was our first crack at NIL with one year rentals so
 
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but they didnt and this was our first crack at NIL with one year rentals so

So if next year we miraculously make the tournament with a team of new players, you’ll love NIL and one year rentals?
Or if we made the tournament this year?

Seems that could be exhausting changing your mind back and forth based on the results of each individual year.

Sounds like you don’t actually have an opinion on one year rentals/NIL and just care about results - no matter how they are achieved.
 
Note: that’s my opinion. Win with 12 new players or 12 seniors who have been here 4 years.

I don’t care. Just win.
 
So if next year we miraculously make the tournament with a team of new players, you’ll love NIL and one year rentals?
Or if we made the tournament this year?

Seems that could be exhausting changing your mind back and forth based on the results of each individual year.

Sounds like you don’t actually have an opinion on one year rentals/NIL and just care about results - no matter how they are achieved.
thats not happening so why are you saying it.

ive been consistent on the nil stuff since geo was here and we were dancing, i foretold all the stuff that would happen but its actually much worse than i thought

if something substantially changes in the way this is all handled, im willing to wait and change my mind
 
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To be honest, the NBA is kind of terrible compared to college - I say this as a bball novice. It just looks like a track meet. Maybe it’s just my Rutgers nature, but I’m way more fired up about a strong defensive stand. How great was it against USC seeing flashes of what a Pike defense looks like, swarming, gritty.
you are right
 
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To be honest, the NBA is kind of terrible compared to college - I say this as a bball novice. It just looks like a track meet. Maybe it’s just my Rutgers nature, but I’m way more fired up about a strong defensive stand. How great was it against USC seeing flashes of what a Pike defense looks like, swarming, gritty.
In the NBA, exponentially better defense is played against much more sophisticated offenses. I'm sure Pikiell would love to get his players to defend the way the Oklahoma City Thunder do. Most good NBA teams use swarming defense to initiate their track meets. The elite college teams do it too. Houston and MSU are good examples. Houston's defense is as good as it is because of what Sampson learned in the NBA as an assistant.
 
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Again, RU has not participated at a higher level OR is used to losing or unfortunately, conditioned to losing.

This is not new....the sitting out a year if you transfer was always based on some high priced lawyers, threatening to sue the NCAA, if they didn't grant "a waiver"....now, if the kids sat out a year, do you think anything ultimately changes?? Maybe but why should a kid sit out, if his coach is fired....or the assistant coach he is closest with, gets fired, promoted or earns a Head Coaching job.....??

This is bizarre that of all the years in the Big East for basketball, that you wanted to believe recruits suddenly decided in the late 80s, that going to Syracuse, Pittsburgh, etc, was because they loved going 5 hours away.....LOL, they went for the money.....this dates back to players in HS, before I even got to High School....like Craig "Ironhead", Hayward deciding to go to Pitt, was "just because".....

Then the same in denial RU fans, were fine with hiring Fred Hill Jr, because of what exactly?? His "brilliant" coaching OR his ability to funnel kids from NJ to Villanova, to help build up the Jay Wright program.....I'm sure that was done for free....!!....Did Jay Wright hire FHJ for his coaching.....???

We hired Hill because he "might" bring or keep some of the NJ kids home.

This is an attempt to ignore the obvious.....just admit you don't want to see how the meal is prepared.....I'm not going to say you don't have a right to be upset.....it shatters the mirage or image of nonsense....you don't care if any player goes to class.....and to act as if you do, is not relevant.

If Pike mentions the teams GPA is this or that, the same RU fans moan and whine....they want 90 PTS a game, and if Myles Johnson is brilliant and can earn a double degree GREAT.....just don't do it and be a sub 50% FT shooter....!!! (Sarcasm, but not really)......
Anything that has been said or not still doesn’t belie the fact that rules and controls are required. Like what was said the nba has rules and bargaining contracts, there's structure.
 
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