Has anyone here donated to an NIL?

[NickRU714]

Most schools lose money on athletics. These millions you are referring to don’t cover costs unless you want to see numerous sports cut.

BTW how many of your pro sports teams do you pay a seat license as a season ticket holder? They basically forced you to pay more just to line their pockets.

Don't buy into the false narrative that Universities put out there about "having to cut sports".

Sports would only be cut because the University (and "taxpayers") doesn't want to pay for them.
Why is it the responsibility of the Football and Basketball teams to fund non-revenue sports?

If it costs millions to run a non-revenue AD then the actual University should be funding it 100%.
Not subsidize revenue sports.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

https://sports.yahoo.com/dylan-harper-ace-bailey-where-131602648.html

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

You made a whole thread about it ...

NIL - Where to divert the $$

Interesting takes here on NIL. Some love it, some not so much. Facts: 1. NIL was happening before NIL (Bag man, free cars, no show jobs) 2. NIL isn't going away 3. NIL needs to be regulated in some form or fashion I'd love for us to be all in for football. Joining the KTR and going last...

rutgers.forums.rivals.com

Yes, if the money won't go towards football (meaning people won't donate), which I've said countless times is priority, then you put it towards other sports (bball), in hopes that their success will impact football in a positive way

It's not too hard to comprehend, as football drives the bus

Saying NIL will ruin an entire athletic dept is RutgersAl-esque

Personally, I'd rank it right behind the Death Star as craziest takes of the century

 

[sct1111]

I'm still "donating" money via my student loans. Should be done in 2 years.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

Except my assertion was: Even if we bought the best basketball player in the country, and it resulted in a national championship in basketball, it would not improve the quality of the football program (as you asserted it would) ... and the quality of the football program is all that matters to the ultimate success of a school's athletics department.

So, he linked to Step 1 (actually better than step one because we got the two best high school recruits in the country). Now win a Final Four and then have football recruiting skyrocket and you will have proven me wrong.

 

[NickRU714]

Except my assertion was: Even if we bought the best basketball player in the country, and it resulted in a national championship in basketball, it would not improve the quality of the football program (as you asserted it would) ... and the quality of the football program is all that matters to the ultimate success of a school's athletics department.

So, he linked to Step 1 (actually better than step one because we got the two best high school recruits in the country). Now win a Final Four and then have football recruiting skyrocket and you will have proven me wrong.

Ok. Deal.

Isn't football program in their best position since Flood? And well before NIL.

Football hasn't become a "feeder program".
Best players haven't transfered out in droves.
Team is improving (to whst extent can be argued) and won a bowl game this year.
People are speculating about the potential for 8+ wins next year if things break right.
Wasn't this our best recruiting class of the 2.0 era?

It appears all of the "NIL will ruin Rutgers football" have yet to occur.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Except my assertion was: Even if we bought the best basketball player in the country, and it resulted in a national championship in basketball, it would not improve the quality of the football program (as you asserted it would) ... and the quality of the football program is all that matters to the ultimate success of a school's athletics department.

So, he linked to Step 1 (actually better than step one because we got the two best high school recruits in the country). Now win a Final Four and then have football recruiting skyrocket and you will have proven me wrong.

I never said it would
I said it could, or at most, couldn't hurt

Again, we all know FB drives the bus
Would love most KOR donations going there

If not, then hopefully people are sending to bball and maybe we see some ancillary positive effects due to that

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Ok. Deal.

Isn't football program in their best position since Flood? And well before NIL.

Sure, but that's only because Ash had it in the toilet. We're nowhere near being an occasional Top 10 (or consistent Top 25) team. And our current better than it was, but still below average (for a P5 team) football recruiting certainly is no reflection of our 2024 basketball recruiting class.

Schiano is a terrific recruiter, but it is impossible for him to recruit a Top 10 team in the NIL environment (with or without a basketball Final Four appearance).

 

[NickRU714]

Sure, but that's only because Ash had it in the toilet. We're no where near being an occasional Top 10 (or consistent Top 25 team). And our current better than it was, but still below average (for a P5 team) football recruiting certainly is no reflection of our 2024 basketball recruiting class.

Without NIL (never occurred or disbanded tomorrow) are we an occasional Top 10 or consistent Top 25 team?
When has that ever been our reality?

Want to say football hasn't benefitted? Sure.
Can't say it's been the impending doom or downfall that many predicted.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Without NIL (never occurred or disbanded tomorrow) are we an occasional Top 10 or consistent Top 25 team?
When has that ever been our reality?

When we had a competent coach and athletics director (and were taking football seriously) - basically the last seven or eight years in the Big East.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Personally, I'd rank it right behind the Death Star as craziest takes of the century

The Death Star would have worked, if it weren't for those meddling kids.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Zero because like my stance on NIL, I'd never pay a fee for the right to pay for tickets.
My priorities aren't the same as many on this board. Neither of us is right or wrong. You spend your money how you want. I see why you do. I just don't do the same.

That’s fine, at least your consistent

 

[NickRU714]

When we had a competent coach and athletics director (and were taking football seriously) - basically the last seven or eight years in the Big East.

Sure about that?
Since 2006, we've been ranked for 28 weeks.
There are approximately 16 rankings per year. Over 7 years (2006 to 2012) that's about 112 rankings.
We were ranked about 25% of the time.
That's not really "consistent".

We've been ranked in the AP Top 10 exactly twice ever.
That's not exactly "occasional".

But sure, if not for NIL we would be a consistent Top 25 and occasional Top 10 team just like we were before NIL............

AP Top 25:
2012: Ranked for 8 weeks ranging from #18-#24
2009: Ranked 1 week (#25)
2007: Ranked 7 weeks ranging from #10-#25
2006: Ranked 12 weeks (all time high of #7, #12 in Final Rankings)

AP Top 10:
2006 Week 12: #7
2007 Week 6: #10

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/rutgers/polls.html

 

[NickRU714]

I can do our football recruiting rankings too but it'll take some time.
Just a guess of the top of my head though - HC Schiano has never been close to ever having a Top 10 class pre-NIL.

 

[NickRU714]

I can do our football recruiting rankings too but it'll take some time.
Just a guess of the top of my head though - HC Schiano has never been close to ever having a Top 10 class pre-NIL.

Actually wasn't hard as I thought it would be.
"Schiano is a terrific recruiter, but it is impossible for him to recruit a Top 10 team in the NIL environment (with or without a basketball Final Four appearance)."

Our previous high was #24 in 2012 (right after HC Schiano left).
Most classes have always been in the 30s range.
Again, ban NIL tomorrow and I doubt we are suddenly jumping up to Top 10 classes.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Sure about that?
Since 2006, we've been ranked for 28 weeks.
There are approximately 16 rankings per year. Over 7 years (2006 to 2012) that's about 112 rankings.
We were ranked about 25% of the time.
That's not really "consistent".

We've been ranked in the AP Top 10 exactly twice ever.
That's not exactly "occasional".

But sure, if not for NIL we would be a consistent Top 25 and occasional Top 10 team just like we were before NIL............

AP Top 25:
2012: Ranked for 8 weeks ranging from #18-#24
2009: Ranked 1 week (#25)
2007: Ranked 7 weeks ranging from #10-#25
2006: Ranked 12 weeks (all time high of #7, #12 in Final Rankings)

AP Top 10:
2006 Week 12: #7
2007 Week 6: #10

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/rutgers/polls.html

We can argue over semantics of the word "consistent," but the point remains the same ... we were there then and we're not there now and we're not gonna get there again (with NIL in place).

Recruiting rankings are largely nonsense. I wouldn't even bother discussing them. Wimsatt was a can't miss QB prospect who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Actually wasn't hard as I thought it would be.
"Schiano is a terrific recruiter, but it is impossible for him to recruit a Top 10 team in the NIL environment (with or without a basketball Final Four appearance)."

Our previous high was #24 in 2012 (right after HC Schiano left).
Most classes have always been in the 30s range.
Again, ban NIL tomorrow and I doubt we are suddenly jumping up to Top 10 classes.

That's my entire point
We weren't world beaters Pre-NIL

We struck lightnining in a bottle in 2006 in a watered down Big East
Shit, USF was ranked # 2 for a short spell in 2007 - look where they're at now

We have an uphill climb in regard to NIL
But pre-NIL, especially now in the B1G, it was a near impossible task

Now, although difficult, the potential is there

 

[AdventureHasAName]

We struck lightnining in a bottle in 2006 in a watered down Big East
Shit, USF was ranked # 2 for a short spell in 2007 - look where they're at now

It was the opposite of watered-down. Even the historically bad schools (USF, Rutgers, UCONN, Cincinatti) were having good seasons and often ranked. At bowl season, the Big East was very competitive against other conferences.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

It was the opposite of watered-down. Even the historically bad schools (USF, Rutgers, UCONN, Cincinatti) were having good seasons and often ranked. At bowl season, the Big East was very competitive against other conferences.

Stop
No Miami, VT, BC or Cuse

We didn't even win the damn league that year
Furthermore, the follow up years were less then impressive all things considered

 

[AdventureHasAName]

We didn't even win the damn league that year
Furthermore, the follow up years were less then impressive all things considered

Which is, of course, the point ... we had a Top 10 team and couldn't win the conference because the conference had other better Top 10 teams. That's a good conference; not a watered-down conference.

EDIT: And what did that murder's row of Miami, VT, and BC do in the bowls that season? Miami beat unranked Nevada by a point. BC beat unranked Navy by a point. Virginia Tech lost to #23 Georgia.

How about the rest of the ACC during Bowl Season? Louisville beat the conference champ Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl. West Virginia beat Georgia Tech. Clemson lost to Kentucky. Maryland and Florida State beat .500 Purdue and UCLA teams. The whole ACC conference sucked that year.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Which is, of course, the point ... we had a Top 10 team and couldn't win the conference because the conference had other better Top 10 teams. That's a good conference; not a watered-down conference.

ACC
BC and VT were both 10-3 that year
U was 7-6 w/losses to 5 ranked teams

Historically
Exactly my point
We were never world beaters
Why you think NIL will be the death of a program that's had few positives but a world of potential due to location and other variables truly baffles me

 

[RUaMoose]

It’s definitely one of the big issues. But I don’t think it would open up a Pandora’s box. In fact, it would give the universities leverage to institute many of the rules and controls to bring order to the system, but it would also force the universities to be responsible and take ownership of the situation. Which they don’t want. now they can keep it all at arms length..

We always hear that a good FB program benefits the university with enrollment, prestige, etc so it seems it would make sense to use endowment funds to, at least partly, compensate the players.

Universities don’t wanna caugh up the funds so they talk about rabbit holes & rely on dopes giving up their 3 pizzas a month to fund it

 

[Eagleton96]

We always hear that a good FB program benefits the university with enrollment, prestige, etc so it seems it would make sense to use endowment funds to, at least partly, compensate the players

Doesn't need to be endowment funds. It can be assets or revenue from any source.

 

[RUaMoose]

Doesn't need to be endowment funds. It can be assets or revenue from any source.

Agree. Look at Livingston campus compared to 1992. You wouldn’t recognize the place. They’re swimming in cash.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Why you think NIL will be the death of a program that's had few positives but a world of potential due to location and other variables truly baffles me

Because we have an alumni base that will not pay to buy players and no billionaire donors willing to do it. And if you cannot buy players and there are teams that can pay every player (like Univ of Texas), at that point you are playing two different sports.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Because we have an alumni base that will not pay to buy players and no billionaire donors willing to do it. And if you cannot buy players and there are teams that can pay every player (like Univ of Texas), at that point you are playing two different sports.

We’re in agreement that it’ll be extremely difficult to get an alumni base buying

As I’ve said, previously, I believe the key to NIL succeeding here is for businesses and corporations, and the tri state area

Absent of a mega donor, or an unforeseen sudden buying from the alumni, that is our best bet for success

 

[Knight177lb]

I donate every month to KTR. It's tied to my credit card and I don't even notice it. Like it or not, it's the world we live in. If you want to win, everyone needs to join.

 

[Knight Shift]

Doesn't need to be endowment funds. It can be assets or revenue from any source.

Not NIL, but hiring Saban seems to have worked out very well for the University of Alabama from a financial standpoint.
Some keep raising the issue that people don't have a problem with coaches making millions of dollars, and those people should not have a problem with NIL for student athletes. There are a couple of differences though. While it does not work out that way often because no fanbase wants to see their school paying a coach that does not produce a winning program, a head football coach is seen as a more permanent fixture than players who are at the university for 4 or 5 years, often less.

Also, not aware of Universities directly "hitting up" the fanbase or donors to donate to pay for the head coach. It's more an illusory cost to fans, as part of their donation for season tickets, increased ticket costs, increased cost of merchandise, parking or concessions at games. Not arguing that the financial hit is not there, but it is not as in your face as NIL is in asking for money that "directly" goes to players.

The above points are not for or against NIL. Back to Saban, hire the right coach who stays for a long time, and good things can happen. But how often do you see this?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Also, not aware of Universities directly "hitting up" the fanbase or donors to donate to pay for the head coach.

Julie Hermann did it here. If I'm not mistaken, she told donors she was willing to fire Flood and hire Dan Mullen, but only if they came up with the cash to do it. They didn't and she didn't.

 

[Knight Shift]

Julie Hermann did it here. If I'm not mistaken, she told donors she was willing to fire Flood and hire Dan Mullen, but only if they came up with the cash to do it. They didn't and she didn't.

I vaguely remember there was a movement to do that, but nobody called me. I was a Floodie ( 🙄 ), and I would not have contributed.

 

[Eagleton96]

Not NIL, but hiring Saban seems to have worked out very well for the University of Alabama from a financial standpoint.
Some keep raising the issue that people don't have a problem with coaches making millions of dollars, and those people should not have a problem with NIL for student athletes. There are a couple of differences though. While it does not work out that way often because no fanbase wants to see their school paying a coach that does not produce a winning program, a head football coach is seen as a more permanent fixture than players who are at the university for 4 or 5 years, often less.

Also, not aware of Universities directly "hitting up" the fanbase or donors to donate to pay for the head coach. It's more an illusory cost to fans, as part of their donation for season tickets, increased ticket costs, increased cost of merchandise, parking or concessions at games. Not arguing that the financial hit is not there, but it is not as in your face as NIL is in asking for money that "directly" goes to players.

The above points are not for or against NIL. Back to Saban, hire the right coach who stays for a long time, and good things can happen. But how often do you see this?

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All good points.

 

[e5fdny]

Interesting thread on this topic via tMB on Rivals:

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Can't read unless you're a premium member but I was surprised to read how many were ANTI-NIL in that thread.

 

[AdventureHasAName]