I think most reasonable people figured we would be in the 5 to 7 win range by year 4. That is where we are. The problem is year 3 was a disaster and we need to stop the woodshed losses .
Hats off to Hafley
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No he was awful. The way he blew the 2012 team talent is unforgivable. Kent state , louisville, Pitt, and he was in a dogfight with one of the worst army teams of all time.
2013 was a disaster
2014 - solid
2015 - disaster
And his recruiting stunk
No not at the beginning. Hafley was first. It wasn’t just you. That’s who the angry “we hate Schiano” crew wanted
Leipold, remember, was having a mediocre season at Buffalo in 2019. He finished 7-5 in the MAC that year. Our fan base would have been furious if that was what we brought in at the time. Remember that Covid made us forget the variable of butts in the seat in 2020 but one major embarrassing issue we had was an empty stadium in 2019 because Ash had ruined us. We were not going to bring in a coach with no ties to NJ coming off that kind of season in the MAC. We needed to generate some hype.
Let's be honest. All of these people are the tallest midgets. Any real program changer isn't coming from this pool of the candidates.
It's an argument over mediocrity at best.
It's an argument over mediocrity at best.
Where rutgers missed the boat was 2013. Mullen and tressel were available. Julie takes the fall for that and not getting it done , and it eventually got her fired. But supposedly lots of loser BOG and donors would rather have celebrated the win over usf to get to 6-6
Actually, I think what most people figured was he would at least make us into what would’ve been a perennial lower tier 7-8ish win bowl team in the old Big East relatively quickly and in fairness, that’s also probably about where we are at. We just play a tougher schedule now and unfortunately a 7-8 win team playing that schedule might only win 4-5 with our current schedule.
That may be the one thing I don't point at Julie. Signing those two would have required more money she ever had to work with
Hermann was one of the top 3 worst things to happen to Rutgers. She was in no way qualified for the position she found herself in and was there for one reason. No need to rehash the obvious. It's a typical result of what happens when someone isn't hired on merit and accomplishment.
I said this before but I believe that this year will be what last year was supposed to be before all the injuries and the total incompetence on the offensive side of the ball.
Ehh . If she got the authority to hire tressel she would have had a nice career here. She was tied to and fired with flood, although she didn’t hire him
What does that get us ? 1 more win? 2 more points against a team like nebraska ?
it’s fine to call it that except the other candidates in the pool were far from guarantees to even elevate us to mediocre. We could not have afforded to continue along the 1 win season path for another 2-3 years. We’d be in serious danger of getting pushed out of the conference. The 78-0 eye poppers putting us on the news of steak restaurants had to stop at all costs. And routine losses to Eastern Michigan types. Top priority was to restore us to respectability. That happened fast. It’s taking longer than we hoped to take the next step to be true bowl contender but that doesn’t mean that first step wasn’t important too. Nor should it be assumed that any coach would’ve fixed it. There are many guys we could’ve brought in and ended up not winning a single game in 2020.
I think he will do it in the BIG. When the unbalanced schedule goes away. Not before that.
I honestly think we just got very unlucky last season with injuries to key position players being counted on in training camp. The 2021 team would’ve been a 7 win team in the ACC.
Probably still too early to call this one. Recruiting and W/L about the same to date. They do seem to be trending down and this is a bad loss. Us hard to tell, can't put too much stock in the nice win over NW, they are bad and provided no pressure on our qb and we needed some 4th down conversions to build the lead. Last year was not good. Our schedule has 5 Top 25 and 3 Top 10 teams, they only have #4 FSU, so we could be much better but not show a disparity in wins.
He should be safe.......as long as the donor's don't invite him to go fishing.This guy
Very similar to Ash hire. Associated with a good program under a great AD/HC. RU went cheap and hoped they learned enough to make it work. But the lack of experience doomed they both.
So now you can only discuss things that Schiano actually said. Find a direct quote by Schiano or it did not happen.. is that how it works?
Please.. he said the only reason he left was the conference situation and when we got the Big Ten invite he was happy for us but it hit him hard. So, yeah, teh conference situation was a big factor for GS and, yes, he did not specifically say.. afaik.. that it was affecting recruiting but I sure think it did and, again, IMHO, you have really do some mental gymnastics to avoid such a conclusion.
Perhaps he was thinking it would impact recruiting in the future? Regardless - inability to recruit due to the conference situation is not at all an excuse for why BC is losing on the current ACC and against bad non conference teams.
It would hurt the lesser teams before the better teams... at least to what degree it would hurt them. Name ACC teams would still get hurt a little.. but they have a reserve of recruits who grew up rooting for them. BC.. not so much. Now.. your argument is sound BC vs, say, Pitt, GTech, NC State.
Also, I am not saying it is the only reason Hafley is failing. Just saying it could be contributing. I suppose I might be suggesting that BC is just screwed. Maybe they need lightning in a bottle.. like a Deion Sanders hire.. to make a significant difference. but look at what Deion did right away.. get out of the dying PAC.. do you think that happens without his blessing, or conversely, do you think Deion says yes to Colorado if they stayed in the PAC? (Dec 22 they hire Deion, June 23 announce leaving PAC)
That was his problem, he didn't give his all. The stories of his laziness are legendary. County Crows concert for example. He also was way too lax with the players and it set us back years.
Counting Crows was a huge scandal. IIRC, someone from the press asked him how the Counting Crows concert was after a press conference.
Counting Crows lead singer Adam Duritz, pictured here cheering on his alma mater during a Cal women's basketball game versus Rutgers at the RAC on Dec. 10, 2007, gave Rutgers football coach Kyle Flood a "shout out'' at a concert. (The Star-Ledger file photo by John Munson | NJ Advance Media)
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Counting crows wasn’t a huge scandal. He blew off an unofficial visitor for the concert. That’s not a scandal. That’s a recruiting faux pas.
She was bad no doubt. If she got rid of flood in 2013 and hired Mullen, petrino or tressel the narrative on her changes
She was bad, but that was an impossibility. Not enough money. I wonder if at least part of the reason she was hired was because she accepted the funding limitations. Also checked the right boxes
that is not where we are
we'll be luck to get 4 never mind more than that this year
Schiano needs more than 4 wins to have any reasonable claim that he's the right guy for this position at this time.
you're right, too bad small minds can't think outside the blinders
spot on post actually
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