Hiring Schiano would be a classic RU move

[derleider]

Who knows if Flood gets fired - but hiring Schiano on a big contract that locked us in for a good chunk of a decade would be THE classic RU move.

Its not like Schiano is a proven winner at the Big Ten East level. He couldnt even muster an above .500 record in Big East play after 2006. So its about as much of a risk of not working out, in my opinion, as any other coach would realistically hire. But Schiano would come with all of the ego of a white knight riding in to save the day (AGAIN).

Obviously not the big contract part. The being reactionary and myopic part. Hiring FHJ was such a move. Flood was such a move. Extending Schiano, Waters, and FHJ were all moves in this vein.

The real smart move -, should it come to it (and it shouldnt) - would be to play the season with a temp (Schiano isnt coming in in September and rescuing the season), and then having a real search in December when there are lots of options on the table - assistants, hot lower level coaches, recently fired P5 coaches - the whole shebang, instead of just one option.

Which is why obviously, if Flood is fired, its Schianos job - because its exactly the bad move that RU always makes.

 

[Abro1975]

 

[Rutgers8086]

Robb Smith

 

[saran]

Schiano was never the same after media pulled ambush on him as 2008 season began. When Bob M got the shaft it broke up the romantic aura between GS, BM and RM. I doubt GS would want to come back in middle of yet another RU shizz storm with an admin thats even more PC and treacherous to deal with. The PSU mess also took some of the shine off cfb for GS. But after being idle for so many years who knows

 

[seels2662]

There is zero chance that Our AD will hire Schiano. First, we don't have the money. Second. She does not want to be tied to him.

I am hanging on to dear life. I want to see how this season plays out before I start naming successors.

 

[LevaosLectures]

Well I guess there's only one way for Flood to save his job...
Win the whole...f---king thing

 

[bitnez]

Completely disagree. Schiano is the anti-Rutgers move. It doesn't hire experienced program builders who run a tight ship and produce quality men and players. They hire young inexperienced and cheap coaches and hope for the best.

 

[ru-baby]

The venom towards GS is amazing to me. He took a program that sucked and made it relevant. When Flood gets credit it's usually for things GS created.

GS had to recruit in a dying BE. He would explode in the B10 recruiting wise. He had plenty of faults, but running an honorable program and recruiting were not apparent ones. Be careful what you wish against.

 

[Abro1975]

Lance Leipold ! :

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Wisconsin–Whitewater Warhawks (Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) (2007–2014)
2007 Wisconsin–Whitewater 14–1 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2008 Wisconsin–Whitewater 13–2 6–1 1st L NCAA Division III Championship
2009 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2010 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2011 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2012 Wisconsin–Whitewater 7–3 5–2 T–2nd
2013 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2014 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship

 

[derleider]

The venom towards GS is amazing to me. He took a program that sucked and made it relevant. When Flood gets credit it's usually for things GS created.

GS had to recruit in a dying BE. He would explode in the B10 recruiting wise. He had plenty of faults, but running an honorable program and recruiting were not apparent ones. Be careful what you wish against.

Its actually venom towards those who think a .500 level CONFERENCE record AFTER we started winning (i.e. post-2004) is something to go nuts over to the point where the guy is the ONLY coach we could possibly hire that would have any chance of success here (not withstanding that Flood has made 3 bowls in a row).

Heres the thing - sure he had to recruit in a dying Big East. So did the rest of the Big East post 2004. And he parlayed that into a similar or worse record against conference teams than UCONN post-2006.

Yes - he would recruit better. He would also play a much tougher schedule and much better coaches than he faced in the Big East. So the logical expectatoin is about the same results - but at a much higher cost than when he was here the first time (we are more desperate for a winner, general salaries have risen, he would have higher expectations as well.)

 

[MikeR0102]

The venom towards GS is amazing to me. He took a program that sucked and made it relevant. When Flood gets credit it's usually for things GS created.

GS had to recruit in a dying BE. He would explode in the B10 recruiting wise. He had plenty of faults, but running an honorable program and recruiting were not apparent ones. Be careful what you wish against.

I agree with a lot of this. I think Schiano would pull in really good recruiting classes, and I think he may have learned from some of his past issues. He definitely ran a tight ship and off the field issues were few and far between.. On the downside, Schiano's teams lost a lot of games they shouldn't have. I guess that continues to today tho.

 

[MidwestKnights]

Who knows if Flood gets fired - but hiring Schiano on a big contract that locked us in for a good chunk of a decade would be THE classic RU move.

Its not like Schiano is a proven winner at the Big Ten East level. He couldnt even muster an above .500 record in Big East play after 2006. So its about as much of a risk of not working out, in my opinion, as any other coach would realistically hire. But Schiano would come with all of the ego of a white knight riding in to save the day (AGAIN).

Obviously not the big contract part. The being reactionary and myopic part. Hiring FHJ was such a move. Flood was such a move. Extending Schiano, Waters, and FHJ were all moves in this vein.

The real smart move -, should it come to it (and it shouldnt) - would be to play the season with a temp (Schiano isnt coming in in September and rescuing the season), and then having a real search in December when there are lots of options on the table - assistants, hot lower level coaches, recently fired P5 coaches - the whole shebang, instead of just one option.

Which is why obviously, if Flood is fired, its Schianos job - because its exactly the bad move that RU always makes.

I think The Fridge comes in as interim and they hire in December. Maybe use the 250th anniversary as part of their hook.

 

[Rnation]

schiano is what this program needs !!!!!

 

[RutgersRaRa]

There is zero chance that Our AD will hire Schiano. First, we don't have the money. Second. She does not want to be tied to him.

I am hanging on to dear life. I want to see how this season plays out before I start naming successors.

Assuming Schiano would return, the big-money people will call the shots if they want Schiano to return, not Julie. Her job is on the line, too, and Schiano can restore order to the ship that went off course.

 

[RUMcMahon]

I think The Fridge comes in as interim and they hire in December. Maybe use the 250th anniversary as part of their hook.

IN GREG I TRUST

 

[Section118]

Ok WTF. Why do 6 of you who have posted have the same avatar picture. Wtf is going on

 

[Section118]

And now me apparently

 

[lighty]

I don't even think Schiano would want to return but....

"Heres the thing - sure he had to recruit in a dying Big East. So did the rest of the Big East post 2004. And he parlayed that into a similar or worse record against conference teams than UCONN post-2006."

here's the thing you conveniently omit -- can you name one other Big East school that had major sports media outlets like Sports Illustrated write stories about how bad the program was? You make it sound as if RU was on an even playing field with the rest of the Big East. We were not. Schiano made the program respectable but there was still a long ways to go.

And chalk me up to one of those who think Schiano would have been able to recruit better than Flood with the Big Ten name to sell...

 

[rutexan84]

I don't think Schiano would return. He's not an alumnus and has no bond to the university. We were a stepping stone on his path to the big time.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

NIU or Navy coaches. Affordable and teams play way way way above their recruiting ranking (which would be better at RU).

 

[derleider]

I don't even think Schiano would want to return but....

"Heres the thing - sure he had to recruit in a dying Big East. So did the rest of the Big East post 2004. And he parlayed that into a similar or worse record against conference teams than UCONN post-2006."

here's the thing you conveniently omit -- can you name one other Big East school that had major sports media outlets like Sports Illustrated write stories about how bad the program was? You make it sound as if RU was on an even playing field with the rest of the Big East. We were not. Schiano made the program respectable but there was still a long ways to go.

And chalk me up to one of those who think Schiano would have been able to recruit better than Flood with the Big Ten name to sell...

Um - three of those teams were CUSA Schools in 2004, and another was D1AA shortly before that.

I omitted pre-2004 because its irrelevant.

More excuses. Schiano made the program respectable. Full stop. We are now respectable. We dont need someone who can make us respectable. Certainly not at the cost that Schiano will surely ask for.

Just to jog your memory - Schianos last regular season game at RU

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=313300041

9 seasons after the sports illustrated article you referenced.

Seriously - you all are like a bunch of guys who lost their virginity in their 20s and just cant imagine that anyone but THAT girl could be the one for them. There are other fish in the sea. Stop pining after this one.

 

[Jonas Grumby]

And posting a thread about schiano and accusing other people Of obsessing about him is a classic derleider move

 

[RU205]

If Flood is fired they need to hire Fridge for the season and hire Chip Kelly when he gets run out of Philly at the end of the year. Don't hire cheap. Invest now in a good coach and it will pay off later.

 

[derleider]

And posting a thread about schiano and accusing other people Of obsessing about him is a classic derleider move

LOL. I didnt bring him up. Others did, as they always do any time there is the hint that we might one day need a new coach. If people didnt bring him up, I wouldnt either. Its not like Im making posts like - hey Illinois needs a coach - Schiano would be a horrible fit there though.

 

[rutgersdave]

DerLeider doesn't want Schiano but bring up a thread about bringing Schiano back.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Need a thumbs down/dislike feature

 

[MADHAT1]

 

[kjb32812]

Not that you could get him or would want to get him but Bobby Petrino would kill it at RU.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Lance Leipold ! :

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Wisconsin–Whitewater Warhawks (Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) (2007–2014)
2007 Wisconsin–Whitewater 14–1 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2008 Wisconsin–Whitewater 13–2 6–1 1st L NCAA Division III Championship
2009 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2010 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2011 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2012 Wisconsin–Whitewater 7–3 5–2 T–2nd
2013 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship
2014 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0 1st W NCAA Division III Championship

Impressive but - He is now the head football coach at the University at Buffalo, yet to coach his first D1 game ... probably want to see how he does

 

[SirScarlet]

Not that you could get him or would want to get him but Bobby Petrino would kill it at RU.

Are you kidding? He's last less than a week. one of the SL hacks would video him chain cursing at practice...and they would write an article about how RU is paying a guy millions to teach our youth how to curse

He would be a public relations disaster.

(But he's a heckuva coach!!)

 

[j10oreo]

Everyone can have their opinion of GS but I'm more amazed we still feel compelled on starting new threads engaging on this same debate 3 years strong.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Schiano can restore order to the ship that went off course.

9-4
6-7
8-5

Doesn't appear as off course as you make it. You make seem as if 2006 was the norm around here before Flood took over. It wasn't, it was an aberration.

 

[kjb32812]

Are you kidding? He's last less than a week. one of the SL hacks would video him chain cursing at practice...and they would write an article about how RU is paying a guy millions to teach our youth how to curse

He would be a public relations disaster.

(But he's a heckuva coach!!)

Not being a jerk, but opposed to what? Flood has been touted as a choir boy. Not only is that looking like it isn't true, he also is mediocre at best.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Doug Marrone

 

[RUGT]

Not being a jerk, but opposed to what? Flood has been touted as a choir boy. Not only is that looking like it isn't true, he also is mediocre at best.

How is Flood's reputation as a choir boy at stake here? Unless he knowingly ignored or approved of this behavior I'm not sure how these players reflect on his character. Moreover, Schiano is not a good coach but would probably demand a significantly higher salary than Flood. Is it worth spending double or even triple what we are paying flood (1.25m) for identical results? Lastly, I think many people were in wait and see mode with Flood this year and 2016. In 2014 he outperformed everyone's expectations and improved dramatically relative to his first two years here. We wanted to see if he could continue those improvements.

 

[RU205]

Trust me everyone. The Eagles go 4-12 this year and Chip gets fired. RU pays $4M a year to bring him in. He out recruits all othe BIG coaches and things take off.

 

[RUsojo]

We would be lucky to get Schiano. He is far and away the best candidate we could attract. Greg would be doing us a favor if he accepted the offer.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

9-4
6-7
8-5

Doesn't appear as off course as you make it. You make seem as if 2006 was the norm around here before Flood took over. It wasn't, it was an aberration.

I wasn't referring to season record, I was referring to off-the-field behavior.

 

[kjb32812]

How is Flood's reputation as a choir boy at stake here? Unless he knowingly ignored or approved of this behavior I'm not sure how these players reflect on his character. Moreover, Schiano is not a good coach but would probably demand a significantly higher salary than Flood. Is it worth spending double or even triple what we are paying flood (1.25m) for identical results? Lastly, I think many people were in wait and see mode with Flood this year and 2016. In 2014 he outperformed everyone's expectations and improved dramatically relative to his first two years here. We wanted to see if he could continue those improvements.

Well, first of all he emailed a professor and that doesn't look good.

Second of all, the off the field issues are his responsibility. You may not agree, but I've seen may folks on this site point out the PSU OTL about the Anthony Scirrotto incident and note that it was PSU coaches responsibility to control their players. Please also reference the article from less than a month ago about crimes committed in CFB programs. Many folks here were quick to point out how Rutgers fared very well. These new allegations would place them in the T20 of rogue programs.

I don't think Flood is the guy. He has been provided with the easiest sell in Rutgers history and done nothing with it. To boot, it appears that he is trying to tamper with player's grades and also allow his players to run amuck...despite people suggesting he is holier than thou and beyond reproach.

 

[RUGT]

Well, first of all he emailed a professor and that doesn't look good.

Second of all, the off the field issues are his responsibility. You may not agree, but I've seen may folks on this site point out the PSU OTL about the Anthony Scirrotto incident and note that it was PSU coaches responsibility to control their players. Please also reference the article from less than a month ago about crimes committed in CFB programs. Many folks here were quick to point out how Rutgers fared very well. These new allegations would place them in the T20 of rogue programs.

I don't think Flood is the guy. He has been provided with the easiest sell in Rutgers history and done nothing with it. To boot, it appears that he is trying to tamper with player's grades and also allow his players to run amuck...despite people suggesting he is holier than thou and beyond reproach.

I mean "emailing a professor" is nothing without context. That's like saying someone is a criminal because he was "caught speeding" - big difference between 5 over versus 35 over while doing blow on the dashboard. Not saying he's innocent, but his infraction is about the weakest it could have been.

I also didn't say it wasn't his responsibility, rather it didn't negatively reflect on his generally honorable character. I can't really comment on the other things said towards different programs made by people on this forum other than stating there are a lot of stupid people who post here, many of whom become exponentially stupider whenever PSU is involved.

Flood may or may not be the guy, but he deserved this 2015 season based off his 2014 performance. It would be a CFB first to terminate a HC based off a very minor school (re: not even NCAA) infraction and players getting arrested.