Hobbs needs to Show SCOTT GOODALE THE MONEY

[BlockR]

Hope Roy Hobbs sees this as an opportunity he cant blow and chance losing Goodale. This isnt an Iowa/Osu guy who is crying about needing an extension to recruit(still cant) .This is a true Jersey guy who worked his way up from NJ high school coach to produce TWO national Champions at RU,an unheard of feat,probably equal to 2006 Louisville game.
Show him the money Pat,dont blow this..This is your chance to offset the Ash mess somewhat.

 

[RUNVA]

Would have to agree.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Relax. Fist off Goody isn’t going anywhere. Secondly, as we’re trying to do with other Olympic sports (piece by piece), there’s a plan in place AND much of it has to do with the SKWC along with the athletic department and Hobbs, BUT I’ll let @josh1728 or others closer to the situation elaborate. Quite a few steps have been taken already including 1 by this morning:

Anthony Ashnault is now on the coaching staff!!!!

 

[MadRU]

Pat and Sarah were great with both Nick and Anthony after their matches, were so proud of them and for the entire Rutgers community.

 

[sct1111]

I don't know much about wrestling but that was fun to watch. For those in the know, what is keeping us from taking the next step and being a top 5 or so program?

It seems like our fan support is already there. The facilities will be there soon. Our coach seems like a stud. What's missing?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

How much are wresting single match tickets at The RAC?

 

[jerzey devil]

Hope Roy Hobbs sees this as an opportunity he cant blow and chance losing Goodale. This isnt an Iowa/Osu guy who is crying about needing an extension to recruit(still cant) .This is a true Jersey guy who worked his way up from NJ high school coach to produce TWO national Champions at RU,an unheard of feat,probably equal to 2006 Louisville game.
Show him the money Pat,dont blow this..This is your chance to offset the Ash mess somewhat.

Goodale aint going anywhere!! If there's anyone to make sure gets locked up is Donny!! As every time a HC job opens up, He gets a call... Really want to see them both here on the banks for a long time!!

 

[Plum Street]

Hope Roy Hobbs sees this as an opportunity he cant blow and chance losing Goodale. This isnt an Iowa/Osu guy who is crying about needing an extension to recruit(still cant) .This is a true Jersey guy who worked his way up from NJ high school coach to produce TWO national Champions at RU,an unheard of feat,probably equal to 2006 Louisville game.
Show him the money Pat,dont blow this..This is your chance to offset the Ash mess somewhat.

Agree. Goodale should be rewarded for a job well done. But whatever happens with other sports - good or bad - it doesn’t excuse the football mess Hobbs created.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

GREAT video here thx @Clearscreen25

Hobbs: “this is what you call a National Champion sandwich”!!!

Love it!!

 

[Knight Ed]

Isn't wrestling already losing money?

 

[theRU]

Correction.... we need to pony up. All the wrestling ships should be fully funded .

https://giving.scarletknights.com/campaigns/wrestling-3

 

[Ban Basketball]

 

[RUonBrain]

Hope Roy Hobbs sees this as an opportunity he cant blow and chance losing Goodale. This isnt an Iowa/Osu guy who is crying about needing an extension to recruit(still cant) .This is a true Jersey guy who worked his way up from NJ high school coach to produce TWO national Champions at RU,an unheard of feat,probably equal to 2006 Louisville game.
Show him the money Pat,dont blow this..This is your chance to offset the Ash mess somewhat.

Hey, look who is posting.
The guy who complains about other people being immature in their posting.

And you continue to call him Roy Hobbs.

What a disrespectful ass.

 

[Bleed_Scarlet]

Goodale aint going anywhere!! If there's anyone to make sure gets locked up is Donny!! As every time a HC job opens up, He gets a call... Really want to see them both here on the banks for a long time!!

Doubling down on this one. Would hate to lose Donny

 

[Abro1975]

Bonus and contract details :

https://www.nj.com/rutgers/2019/03/...e-rewarded-for-epic-national-title-night.html

 

[Ban Basketball]

Not to hijack the thread, but no one has yet been able to answer this for me.

I read from a non-wrestling fan on UNI's forum a while back where someone claimed (I don't buy it) that Doug Schwab's entire salary is paid from sources outside of the university. I do know that UNI's basketball coach's salary is supplemented by private donors, but only partly.

First off, has anyone ever heard of this, and, secondly, what then would make him a university employee?

 

[newell138]

Isn't wrestling already losing money?

I’m sure every Olympic sport loses money. At least wrestling is producing results and getting fannies in the seats

 

[WhoRU?]

Not to hijack the thread, but no one has yet been able to answer this for me.

I read from a non-wrestling fan on UNI's forum a while back where someone claimed (I don't buy it) that Doug Schwab's entire salary is paid from sources outside of the university. I do know that UNI's basketball coach's salary is supplemented by private donors, but only partly.

First off, has anyone ever heard of this, and, secondly, what then would make him a university employee?

If the external funds are designated for coaches salaries by the donor, then that's how they have to be used. It's also possible to endow a position. For just under 7 million, you could pay Goodale's salary on the interest (~200k/year).

In addition to Goodale, I hope we take care of Donny. He's a 2 time national champ, who has coached at two different big ten schools. It won't cost nearly as much as it would in the other sports to keep him happy.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Not to hijack the thread, but no one has yet been able to answer this for me.

I read from a non-wrestling fan on UNI's forum a while back where someone claimed (I don't buy it) that Doug Schwab's entire salary is paid from sources outside of the university. I do know that UNI's basketball coach's salary is supplemented by private donors, but only partly.

First off, has anyone ever heard of this, and, secondly, what then would make him a university employee?

Not out of the norm. Salaries, schollies, etc., can all be designated by donor.

 

[32prosper]

Goodale isn’t going anywhere. Definitely agree on locking up Donnie P.

 

[dollarbill]

Goodale isn’t going anywhere. Definitely agree on locking up Donnie P.

Adding Ashnault to the coaching staff makes so much sense in so many ways. He'll be a winner at anything he does. $$$$

 

[ruready07]

I don't know much about wrestling but that was fun to watch. For those in the know, what is keeping us from taking the next step and being a top 5 or so program?

It seems like our fan support is already there. The facilities will be there soon. Our coach seems like a stud. What's missing?

Ironically - what’s missing is an elite coach. Goodale is a great guy and coach but one day he should move to the head of wrestling operations and we bring on someone with Olympic pedigree. Then you can consistently attract recruits with the highest aspirations

 

[koleszar]

Relax. Fist off Goody isn’t going anywhere. Secondly, as we’re trying to do with other Olympic sports (piece by piece), there’s a plan in place AND much of it has to do with the SKWC along with the athletic department and Hobbs,

Not sure I understand this one. From my understanding wrestling clubs can not be funded by the school it's affiliated with or run by that NCAA member school. It must be financially and organizationally independent. So what can Hobbs and the athletic department do that's in their plan? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the relationship but those are NCAA rules.

 

[koleszar]

Isn't wrestling already losing money?

Yes but that number has been drastically cut by having 3000 season ticket holders now and packing the RAC. You might want to focus on women's basketball as the ring leader for losing money. A 1st round tourney loss cost quite a bit? I suggest you look up those staggering loses. Here's a start Wrestling head coach $225k / Women's head coach $892k. Wrestling draws 5,192 to events, Women's basketball 1,797.

Correction.... we need to pony up. All the wrestling ships should be fully funded .

https://giving.scarletknights.com/campaigns/wrestling-3

I'm not understanding where this money is going to? Rutgers or the SKWC? I prefer SKWC for my donations as I'm assured it's going directly to wrestling. SKWC is where we need to catch up to the top 10, we severely lack funding for this program and what gets the top recruits. It's a direct link to ensuring we stay in the top 10.

 

[Abro1975]

Ironically - what’s missing is an elite coach. Goodale is a great guy and coach but one day he should move to the head of wrestling operations and we bring on someone with Olympic pedigree. Then you can consistently attract recruits with the highest aspirations

Donny Pritzlaff isn't an 'elite' coach ?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Not sure I understand this one. From my understanding wrestling clubs can not be funded by the school it's affiliated with or run by that NCAA member school. It must be financially and organizationally independent. So what can Hobbs and the athletic department do that's in their plan? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the relationship but those are NCAA rules.

I may be a little off but I know that external donations can be “earmarked.”

 

[rutgersron]

Goodale aint going anywhere!! If there's anyone to make sure gets locked up is Donny!! As every time a HC job opens up, He gets a call... Really want to see them both here on the banks for a long time!!

Some don't realize how important our assistant coaches are to RU's success. Donny could probably coach just about anywhere in the country...he is that good. We need to lock up him and our other coach ASAP!

 

[Mr_Twister]

Losing Pritzlaff, a NJ guy as well, who I assume is Goodale’s logical eventual successor, wouldn’t be good for sustained success. Need to hold the staff together. Two-time national champion is a significant calling card on the recruiting trails and training mats.

 

[rudad02]

Losing Pritzlaff, a NJ guy as well, who I assume is Goodale’s logical eventual successor, wouldn’t be good for sustained success. Need to hold the staff together. Two-time national champion is a significant calling card on the recruiting trails and training mats.

Yes & Pritzlaff needs to be taken care of--$$.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Please stop insulting Pat Hobbs by using the wrong name. No one under 30 has any idea who Roy Hobbs is,by the way.

 

[RUonBrain]

Please stop insulting Pat Hobbs by using the wrong name. No one under 30 has any idea who Roys Hobbs is,by the way.

@BlockR

Amen

 

[Skull83]

I was going to wait awhile before posting on this subject, but this thread sort of opened the door for me. I realize that there are people on this board who have forgotten more about wrestling than I will ever know, but as a fan and supporter of the program I am concerned that this might be the wrong time to make any precipitous decisions. The program had an incredible weekend, and seeing our first ever wrestling national champions and a top 10 team finish is a wonderful accomplishment. The coach is to be commended for all the progress the program has made. I understand our new facilities are going to be top notch and I think we are already in the top 5 nationally in attendance and match day experience. But, as many others have pointed out elsewhere, New Jersey is a real wrestling hot bed and the disparity in the team standings between the top teams and RU, not to mention some of our dual meet results, show that even now we still have a long way to go to reach elite status. Hopefully, the success that Anthony and Nick had will show recruits that they can accomplish everything they dream of at RU, but I think an even more important step is getting Anthony and hopefully some day Nick onto the staff. If you look at the wrestling staffs at the truly elite schools, the Penn State's, Oklahoma State's, Iowa's, etc. you will see that they are loaded, from top to bottom, with multiple all-americans and, in many cases, multiple national champions. Recently, we have had Donnie Pritzlaff and now it looks like we are adding Anthony. Whatever the school and SKWC do to raise funds and promote training, I suspect that the overall quality of the coaching staff from top to bottom is going to be a primary determining factor in recruiting battles. The quality and reputation of the coaches that are going to be working with the kids on a daily basis in the wrestling room cannot be underestimated. Adding Anthony is a great start, but until the entire staff is perceived to be at Donnie and Anthony's level, I'm afraid it may be difficult to attract the number of elite kids it will take to get to the next level. On the other hand, I may just be talking out of my a**.

 

[CerealNTacos]

I was going to wait awhile before posting on this subject, but this thread sort of opened the door for me. I realize that there are people on this board who have forgotten more about wrestling than I will ever know, but as a fan and supporter of the program I am concerned that this might be the wrong time to make any precipitous decisions. The program had an incredible weekend, and seeing our first ever wrestling national champions and a top 10 team finish is a wonderful accomplishment. The coach is to be commended for all the progress the program has made. I understand our new facilities are going to be top notch and I think we are already in the top 5 nationally in attendance and match day experience. But, as many others have pointed out elsewhere, New Jersey is a real wrestling hot bed and the disparity in the team standings between the top teams and RU, not to mention some of our dual meet results, show that even now we still have a long way to go to reach elite status. Hopefully, the success that Anthony and Nick had will show recruits that they can accomplish everything they dream of at RU, but I think an even more important step is getting Anthony and hopefully some day Nick onto the staff. If you look at the wrestling staffs at the truly elite schools, the Penn State's, Oklahoma State's, Iowa's, etc. you will see that they are loaded, from top to bottom, with multiple all-americans and, in many cases, multiple national champions. Recently, we have had Donnie Pritzlaff and now it looks like we are adding Anthony. Whatever the school and SKWC do to raise funds and promote training, I suspect that the overall quality of the coaching staff from top to bottom is going to be a primary determining factor in recruiting battles. The quality and reputation of the coaches that are going to be working with the kids on a daily basis in the wrestling room cannot be underestimated. Adding Anthony is a great start, but until the entire staff is perceived to be at Donnie and Anthony's level, I'm afraid it may be difficult to attract the number of elite kids it will take to get to the next level. On the other hand, I may just be talking out of my a**.

I think you bring up some good points. You're right, the thing that sets apart the elite programs, is the coaching staff and RTC are filled with elite talent from top to bottom.

We need to take advantage of adding as many elite training partners for future recruits that we can. At what point do we take the next step and replace guys like Leonardis with someone like Myles Martin (In one way or another, via Coaching Position or RTC Athlete)

 

[koleszar]

We need to take advantage of adding as many elite training partners for future recruits that we can. At what point do we take the next step and replace guys like Leonardis with someone like Myles Martin (In one way or another, via Coaching Position or RTC Athlete)

As soon as the SKWC gets endowed with $6 mil. like the Nittany Lion club. Then we can buy anyone we want just like they do.

 

[Skull83]

I defer to the true wrestling guys, but can the elite training partner route really outweigh the composition of the actual coaching staff when it comes to recruits? Obviously, I hope we can dramatically increase the endowment, but where is the money best spent in the meantime? I'm not advocating letting anyone go, it just seems to me that as positions become available through attrition the school might get more bang for its buck by continuing to upgrade the coaching staff.

 

[Jersey Boys]

I defer to the true wrestling guys, but can the elite training partner route really outweigh the composition of the actual coaching staff when it comes to recruits? Obviously, I hope we can dramatically increase the endowment, but where is the money best spent in the meantime? I'm not advocating letting anyone go, it just seems to me that as positions become available through attrition the school might get more bang for its buck by continuing to upgrade the coaching staff.

Chicken / Egg

If you can afford a fully funded set of elite wrestlers for your RTC you will have a top coach.

With that said, the short answer is yes. Facilities are important but top training partners (especially guys with national freestyle experience) is a main way to lure recruits.

 

[ruready07]

I defer to the true wrestling guys, but can the elite training partner route really outweigh the composition of the actual coaching staff when it comes to recruits? Obviously, I hope we can dramatically increase the endowment, but where is the money best spent in the meantime? I'm not advocating letting anyone go, it just seems to me that as positions become available through attrition the school might get more bang for its buck by continuing to upgrade the coaching staff.

In most cases, the more recent the training partner’s success is, the better for recruiting. Guys like Donny pritzlaf are rare though - his name remains very strong in NJ despite it being a while since his titles.

 

[ruready07]

Forget about Goodale and Pritzlaf, this is their program, like it is ours, and they aren’t going anywhere. Thankfully they don’t have ego issues and will do whatever they can to improve the program - including bringing on certain coaches and training partners.

There is a very cool connection with coach Goodale and Donny , Bergen county wrestling meets Shore wrestling - two NJ hotbeds. But where are we underrepresented in our staff?

We still need to lock up west jersey from p-burg to Paulsboro, the Deep South of Jersey from glassboro on down and finally into NY state. These are the areas we need to make the most gains

 

[rutpsychward]

Forget about Goodale and Pritzlaf, this is their program, like it is ours, and they aren’t going anywhere. Thankfully they don’t have ego issues and will do whatever they can to improve the program - including bringing on certain coaches and training partners.

There is a very cool connection with coach Goodale and Donny , Bergen county wrestling meets Shore wrestling - two NJ hotbeds. But where are we underrepresented in our staff?

We still need to lock up west jersey from p-burg to Paulsboro, the Deep South of Jersey from glassboro on down and finally into NY state. These are the areas we need to make the most gains

I agree. When reading that before a read the line about pburg I was thinking if we could just add west jersey. paulsboro has some good wrestlers as usual. I dont know if they are big ten types. Harrison is a p burg recruit. I know you are talking more about coaches and the general part not one town. Still it helps.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I think it is a foregone conclusion that if you have Goodale, you have Leonardis and Pollard. Leo takes some shit on here, and *maybe* deservedly so, but it is what it is. And in the grand scheme, what these guys are doing is working. You never know what kind of wrench a perceived upgrade can throw into the works. Chemistry and continuity are important. Some have suggested that Goodale may eventually transition into an administrative role, which would put the program in Donny's hands, and at that time, you may see some changes. Who knows.

All of that said, this staff is proving they can get the job done, perhaps regardless of pedigree. Sure, we need more elite recruits, but the doubters have been fully silenced. In a way, it is better Nick won this year over last year (assuming he would only win one) because he is really Rutgers' at this point, not a transfer winning off his PSU training. You can do anything at Rutgers. That feels so good to say. Our staff now has a enough success to point to that it won't be an issue. Cael or Brands or whoever can call Goodale a high school coach, but that rings kind of hollow at this point and the recruits will know that. We are THE up and coming program. The attendance and donor figures prove that.

I think focusing our efforts on SKWC and training partners will get us to where we need to be at this point. Kids care about the role models who become training partners more than the staff I think. Just look at Nick talking about AA, a guy who is 3 years older than him, as such a big role model. Focus there, and between that and the new facility, we will get our upgrade in recruiting.