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^^THIS^^As to the OP, Yahoo illustrated that in-person attendance was slightly up. And for the record, college football has had a lot of declining attendance, so it's not all about this. But there is so much of this I don't get.
The flag is NOT owned by veterans, the federal government, or the Republican Party. It is ALL of ours, and short of throwing it on the ground, burning it, etc., I fail to see this "disrespect" crap of which you speak. The whole idea of playing the anthem before a sporting event is preposterous and reeks of the Hitler Youth or something.
You know how many players knelt the week before the ignorant blowhard in the White House opened his ugly mouth? Six. SIX. You people are seriously going to stop watching football games because six people out of a couple thousand knelt, which you couldn't see on TV anyway? Seriously? You're going to blame the entire league for not handing those evildoers over to the torch-wielding mobs? What do you propose the NFL do with the small handful of protesting players, and how would they do it without looking like a bunch of racist rich guys?
Look, I never understood the protest in the first place. Our police are not nationalized, which means police brutality has zero to do with the flag. But after Trump opened his mouth, the larger protests were over the right to protest and not about the protest itself. And, to nobody's surprise, they have greatly simmered down again.
I know the feelings of the "patriotic" types are real. But, to my mind, they are incredibly misguided, ironically un-American and, well, pretty damn foolish.
Not only watch every Eagles game, but now watch all the other games around the league. So instead of watching one game on Sunday, our house is watching 3-4. There was a boycott?Of course it's related to the quality of the team. Ask half a dozen guys in Philly if they are watching Eagles games this year. It's the primary focus of conversation in every corner.
To try and totally eliminate the national anthem as a factor would be biased.In this area, no one but Phily fans seem to be interested in the NFL anymore. hmmmmm, wonder why that is? Around the country, Miami, Indy, Giants, Cowboys, Oakland, Denver, Packers, Bears, 49'res are giving their fans nothing. Seahawkds just lost their fan's favorite player.
Only NE(who most fans are just tired of), Pitt, NO, Phily-(who outside of their immediate area, excite no one,) are doing anything...I tried to just keep to who are most likely the teams that are the face of the league.
Bottom line- it is the product on the field causing this as well as saturation. Could we please go back to a Monday night game and everyfuxing else play on Sunday at either 1 or 4. If the Giant's and Jet's were both 6 wins or better, not a damn person in this area would give two shats about any of the other stuff.
That's exactly what happened to the Yankees. Idiots on the board earlier were complaining on the board how expensive tickets were and they were giving them up. They were expected to lose but when they started winning the fans jump back onboard. If Rutgers was winning, the stadium would be full.In this area, no one but Phily fans seem to be interested in the NFL anymore. hmmmmm, wonder why that is? Around the country, Miami, Indy, Giants, Cowboys, Oakland, Denver, Packers, Bears, 49'res are giving their fans nothing. Seahawkds just lost their fan's favorite player.
Only NE(who most fans are just tired of), Pitt, NO, Phily-(who outside of their immediate area, excite no one,) are doing anything...I tried to just keep to who are most likely the teams that are the face of the league.
Bottom line- it is the product on the field causing this as well as saturation. Could we please go back to a Monday night game and everyfuxing else play on Sunday at either 1 or 4. If the Giant's and Jet's were both 6 wins or better, not a damn person in this area would give two shats about any of the other stuff.
This coming from the biggest racist on the board....In a nutshell
Funny, the only morons who see racism everywhere are the true racists.
Haven't watched a single down all year, done!
I boycotted the NFL yesterday and it felt great!
In a nutshell
Funny, the only morons who see racism everywhere are the true racists.
Haven't watched a single down all year, done!
Donations to what? Just to show he has no clue what they are protesting about.
You missed some good games
Where do I get the updates on which businesses I'm supposed to boycott because they boycotted the NFL because some players boycotted the Star-Spangeled banner?
Yeah, the Jets and Giants games I heard were riveting
Oh please, the statistics don't support your argument. we're u equally outraged at a black comedian who called Trump a cracker? bet u werent....We aren't talking everyone and everywhere. We are talking about people that see it on the street, the backyard, driving, walking, etc and it certainly isn't seen by everyone.
It also has nothing to do with how much money or how you present yourself. It isn't all about getting shot or tased. I know many of you will argue that you have black friends you hang out with who act respectful and while out with you, you have never seen them singled out or being singled out...Think about that statement for a while.You may even say, you have had this conversation with them and they tell you that they never see it themselves. Yeah, that is what he just told you. hmmmmm would be more interesting to hear what he has to say when sitting at the dinner table with his family or if he were hanging out with his other black friends.
You may not like that the protest is taking away from your fun of watching NFL or feel that it is disrespectful. I am ok with both. But when you sit there and say there isn't a problem, then you are an idiot or worse.
Hmmm.. sad to say I agree. We can disagree on the true state of race relations in this country versus the propaganda.. but where The Cult is invoiced? hmm.. it is like Putin endorsing Trump. While someone might never vote for Hillary.. and hold their nose and vote for the other guy.. that Putin support just ain't right.Well, you guys got the front-running SJ one-time PSU poster^^^ on your side..so, you lose.
Just so we're clear which cultures are the lazy shiftless ones?Explain to me why most Asians I know are succeeding in this country and not running around screaming racism.
Some cultures are willing to sacrifice today for tomorrow. Others are looking for instant gratification.
the ones not like yours.Just so we're clear which cultures are the lazy shiftless ones?
Explain to me why most Asians I know are succeeding in this country and not running around screaming racism.
Some cultures are willing to sacrifice today for tomorrow. Others are looking for instant gratification.
I take no exception to the issues of inequality that are being dicsussed. They are real, and should be adressed. I am, however, somewhat piqued at how the media constantly misreads things. The last election was a pretty good example. (please, I have no skin in this part). What I refer to this time is the nature of the fan backlash. Quite a few people where I work (hospital) don't consider the gameday protests a free speech matter. Here is why: Every day hundreds of millions of people go to jobs where they are told what to do, and what they cannot do. In addition, they are informed of things they may not do even when they are not at work. Things that could result in suspension or termination. My employee hand book is pretty thick.
NFL players are at work on gameday. They are employees. Their employers absolutely have the right to tell them not to protest at work. The owners have not universally done so, but they have the right to do it. So I know quite a few people who agree with the issues, but are annoyed by the free speech angle the media keeps touting, when the players are employees who do not have the right to do anything they want while at work. No more than do employees at the hospital where we all work. This is why many people I know are tuning the NFL out. They have no problem with the issues, but see NFL players as well paid but spoiled employees who think they can do anything they want at work, while the rest of us do not have that luxury. You may think this a strange mind-set, but I am encountering it more and more. But the media, of course, most likely will never talk about this. Even though they cannot do or say anything they like while at work. (Please note the recent ESPN suspensions).
I take no exception to the issues of inequality that are being dicsussed. They are real, and should be adressed. I am, however, somewhat piqued at how the media constantly misreads things. The last election was a pretty good example. (please, I have no skin in this part). What I refer to this time is the nature of the fan backlash. Quite a few people where I work (hospital) don't consider the gameday protests a free speech matter. Here is why: Every day hundreds of millions of people go to jobs where they are told what to do, and what they cannot do. In addition, they are informed of things they may not do even when they are not at work. Things that could result in suspension or termination. My employee hand book is pretty thick.
NFL players are at work on gameday. They are employees. Their employers absolutely have the right to tell them not to protest at work. The owners have not universally done so, but they have the right to do it. So I know quite a few people who agree with the issues, but are annoyed by the free speech angle the media keeps touting, when the players are employees who do not have the right to do anything they want while at work. No more than do employees at the hospital where we all work. This is why many people I know are tuning the NFL out. They have no problem with the issues, but see NFL players as well paid but spoiled employees who think they can do anything they want at work, while the rest of us do not have that luxury. You may think this a strange mind-set, but I am encountering it more and more. But the media, of course, most likely will never talk about this. Even though they cannot do or say anything they like while at work. (Please note the recent ESPN suspensions).
It may very well be that the Houston Texans would rather suffer through Tom Savage standing in the pocket, taking sacks and throwing pics the rest of the season than suffer through whatever consequences that the signing of an anthem-kneeling Colin Kaepernick would bring.
I take no exception to the issues of inequality that are being dicsussed. They are real, and should be adressed. I am, however, somewhat piqued at how the media constantly misreads things. The last election was a pretty good example. (please, I have no skin in this part). What I refer to this time is the nature of the fan backlash. Quite a few people where I work (hospital) don't consider the gameday protests a free speech matter. Here is why: Every day hundreds of millions of people go to jobs where they are told what to do, and what they cannot do. In addition, they are informed of things they may not do even when they are not at work. Things that could result in suspension or termination. My employee hand book is pretty thick.
NFL players are at work on gameday. They are employees. Their employers absolutely have the right to tell them not to protest at work. The owners have not universally done so, but they have the right to do it. So I know quite a few people who agree with the issues, but are annoyed by the free speech angle the media keeps touting, when the players are employees who do not have the right to do anything they want while at work. No more than do employees at the hospital where we all work. This is why many people I know are tuning the NFL out. They have no problem with the issues, but see NFL players as well paid but spoiled employees who think they can do anything they want at work, while the rest of us do not have that luxury. You may think this a strange mind-set, but I am encountering it more and more. But the media, of course, most likely will never talk about this. Even though they cannot do or say anything they like while at work. (Please note the recent ESPN suspensions).
Under these conditons, Phi, I actually think it is. but a lot of people don't see it that way.So if my local newsstand boycotts Ta
But if the NFL and the employer permit it, then is it not a free speech issue?
I agree, a lot of this has to do with the agrement with the players union. I don't really know if the owners could force them to stand. What is part of an emloyees job and what is not depends on what was negotiated with any given union. Non union emplyees have a lot less lattitude.The owners absolutely don't have the right to force the players into making a show of government allegiance. If the owners didn't first ask the players to stand, then there would be no way for the players to refuse; i.e., no way to protest. Standing for the anthem is NOT a part of the players' jobs.
If the owners want the right to FORCE the players to stand, then they have to come to agreement with the players' union.
Why do you believe that the only people who are angry are Trump supporters?First of all, nobody should really care whether a handful of athletes stand, kneel, sit or pump a fist during anthem. I am sure Trump does not care either, but he did succeed in reviving a protest that was essentially over this season with Kaepernick out of the league.
Trump also succeeded in riling up his base (which includes some racists and some neo-nazis) to get all patriotic and angry about the millionaire protesters. It was a non-issue until Trump made his stupid comments, basically daring players to kneel, so some here on this board and around the country could get mad again. And a few clueless and/or racist folks could try and argue that there is no such thing as racism. The kneeling is fading away again but Trump supporters are still angry. Trump tricked you again. Go figure
This does not just hurt Asians as many white males are also denied in the name of diversity. Is that racism also?I’m curious how many Asian friends you have, and how often you discuss racism against Asians with them ? Ask about the glass ceiling in corporate American that keeps Asian from reaching the very top, or how the emphasis on diversity actually hurts Asian students admissions to top colleges (I.e., colleges think there are too many of them already), or how Asian woman are portrayed by media, or ... or lots of other things. Assuming you really do have Asian friends, you are not listening very carefully ... just like you are not listening to the NFL payer protesters.
Good question. Could be that the backlash is also directed at the owners.Agreed on no free speech, but if the employer doesn't make/enforce rules then where's the problem? That ball's on the NFL's field' why be mad at the players?
I think, not sure, if the owners took a stand when Colin Kaepernick first started his kneeling protest they wouldn't have had any trouble with the union because of what's in the NFLPA contract with the NFL.The owners absolutely don't have the right to force the players into making a show of government allegiance. If the owners didn't first ask the players to stand, then there would be no way for the players to refuse; i.e., no way to protest. Standing for the anthem is NOT a part of the players' jobs.
If the owners want the right to FORCE the players to stand, then they have to come to agreement with the players' union.
I’m curious how many Asian friends you have, and how often you discuss racism against Asians with them ? Ask about the glass ceiling in corporate American that keeps Asian from reaching the very top, or how the emphasis on diversity actually hurts Asian students admissions to top colleges (I.e., colleges think there are too many of them already), or how Asian woman are portrayed by media, or ... or lots of other things. Assuming you really do have Asian friends, you are not listening very carefully ... just like you are not listening to the NFL payer protesters.
As to the OP, Yahoo illustrated that in-person attendance was slightly up. And for the record, college football has had a lot of declining attendance, so it's not all about this. But there is so much of this I don't get.
The flag is NOT owned by veterans, the federal government, or the Republican Party. It is ALL of ours, and short of throwing it on the ground, burning it, etc., I fail to see this "disrespect" crap of which you speak. The whole idea of playing the anthem before a sporting event is preposterous and reeks of the Hitler Youth or something.
You know how many players knelt the week before the ignorant blowhard in the White House opened his ugly mouth? Six. SIX. You people are seriously going to stop watching football games because six people out of a couple thousand knelt, which you couldn't see on TV anyway? Seriously? You're going to blame the entire league for not handing those evildoers over to the torch-wielding mobs? What do you propose the NFL do with the small handful of protesting players, and how would they do it without looking like a bunch of racist rich guys?
Look, I never understood the protest in the first place. Our police are not nationalized, which means police brutality has zero to do with the flag. But after Trump opened his mouth, the larger protests were over the right to protest and not about the protest itself. And, to nobody's surprise, they have greatly simmered down again.
I know the feelings of the "patriotic" types are real. But, to my mind, they are incredibly misguided, ironically un-American and, well, pretty damn foolish.
First of all, nobody should really care whether a handful of athletes stand, kneel, sit or pump a fist during anthem. I am sure Trump does not care either, but he did succeed in reviving a protest that was essentially over this season with Kaepernick out of the league.
Trump also succeeded in riling up his base (which includes some racists and some neo-nazis) to get all patriotic and angry about the millionaire protesters. It was a non-issue until Trump made his stupid comments, basically daring players to kneel, so some here on this board and around the country could get mad again. And a few clueless and/or racist folks could try and argue that there is no such thing as racism. The kneeling is fading away again but Trump supporters are still angry. Trump tricked you again. Go figure