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How would college greats of the 60's do in todays NCAA basketball?

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I'll start with someone like Pete Maravich, who I thought was the greatest ball handler and shooter I'd ever seen at the time. To score as much as he did, and without the 3point shot was amazing. If he played in the same system today, I think he would still be unstoppable. I'm sure Kareem would be just as great even though the classic center has gone the way of the dinosaur.Love to hear about other greats from around that time frame and if you think they would be just as dominate or not.
 
Would be one and done.
It's not like there aren't great players today. They just don't saty in college for four years.
 
The closest thing to Pete was Cousy in the 50's, Ernie Degregorio at Providence with Marvin Barnes in the early 70's and my personal favorite Joe Polito at Highland Park in the 60's and early 70's.. All magicians. . I always have to get that gratuitous HP reference in there.....
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The guy I would love to see play with the three point shot would be Jimmy Rayl of Indiana (59-63). The Hoosiers shot the lights of the hoop back then. Rayl would shoot from anywhere. Hated him as I was intensely loyal to my Buckeyes back then (Lucas, Havlicek, Siegfried, Nowell, and Bobby Knight as sixth man.)
 
Originally posted by SkilletHead2:
The guy I would love to see play with the three point shot would be Jimmy Rayl of Indiana (59-63). The Hoosiers shot the lights of the hoop back then. Rayl would shoot from anywhere. Hated him as I was intensely loyal to my Buckeyes back then (Lucas, Havlicek, Siegfried, Nowell, and Bobby Knight as sixth man.)
Buckeyes, Buckeyes, 2nd best team in Ohio. LOL
 
They won it all when they were sophomores, and then lost twice in a row (the first one in an absolute heartbreaker) to Ed Jucker's stunningly disciplined Bearcat teams. Crushing loss for an 11 year old die hard fan of OSU. OSU had more talent at every position (at least 4 out of 5), but the tenacious defense of Jucker's team prevailed at the end. I remember Tony Yates, Tom Thacker, George Wilson, Ron Bonham. Incredibly good games. I believe in one of those years, the Bearcats averaged fewer than five fouls a game for the whole team. Could be misremembering, but I think that was the case.
 
Originally posted by SkilletHead2:
They won it all when they were sophomores, and then lost twice in a row (the first one in an absolute heartbreaker) to Ed Jucker's stunningly disciplined Bearcat teams. Crushing loss for an 11 year old die hard fan of OSU. OSU had more talent at every position (at least 4 out of 5), but the tenacious defense of Jucker's team prevailed at the end. I remember Tony Yates, Tom Thacker, George Wilson, Ron Bonham. Incredibly good games. I believe in one of those years, the Bearcats averaged fewer than five fouls a game for the whole team. Could be misremembering, but I think that was the case.
I think you're correct. There was also Paul Hogue.. I was originally a Buckeye fan because of Lucas. In those 2 yrs. OSU was #1 in the Polls and UC #2. Each has 3 Finals appearances in a row.
 
Bob Lloyd-Rutgers 1st AA Would Have Averaged Over 35 A Game


He scored 26.5/ game one year- and I believe he set the then record of 60 straight free throws without a miss,

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Originally posted by UCBearcat:

Originally posted by SkilletHead2:
They won it all when they were sophomores, and then lost twice in a row (the first one in an absolute heartbreaker) to Ed Jucker's stunningly disciplined Bearcat teams. Crushing loss for an 11 year old die hard fan of OSU. OSU had more talent at every position (at least 4 out of 5), but the tenacious defense of Jucker's team prevailed at the end. I remember Tony Yates, Tom Thacker, George Wilson, Ron Bonham. Incredibly good games. I believe in one of those years, the Bearcats averaged fewer than five fouls a game for the whole team. Could be misremembering, but I think that was the case.
I think you're correct. There was also Paul Hogue.. I was originally a Buckeye fan because of Lucas. In those 2 yrs. OSU was #1 in the Polls and UC #2. Each has 3 Finals appearances in a row.
I moved to Cincy in '63 from Columbus. Ultimately became a Bearcat football fan when they had Brig Owens at QB. That guy was FUN to watch. He then went on to be an excellent D-back in the NFL, got a law degree and has a law firm, and devotes a lot of his time to helping poor kids in DC. An alum the Bearcats can be proud of!
 
Originally posted by SkilletHead2:

Originally posted by UCBearcat:

Originally posted by SkilletHead2:
They won it all when they were sophomores, and then lost twice in a row (the first one in an absolute heartbreaker) to Ed Jucker's stunningly disciplined Bearcat teams. Crushing loss for an 11 year old die hard fan of OSU. OSU had more talent at every position (at least 4 out of 5), but the tenacious defense of Jucker's team prevailed at the end. I remember Tony Yates, Tom Thacker, George Wilson, Ron Bonham. Incredibly good games. I believe in one of those years, the Bearcats averaged fewer than five fouls a game for the whole team. Could be misremembering, but I think that was the case.
I think you're correct. There was also Paul Hogue.. I was originally a Buckeye fan because of Lucas. In those 2 yrs. OSU was #1 in the Polls and UC #2. Each has 3 Finals appearances in a row.
I moved to Cincy in '63 from Columbus. Ultimately became a Bearcat football fan when they had Brig Owens at QB. That guy was FUN to watch. He then went on to be an excellent D-back in the NFL, got a law degree and has a law firm, and devotes a lot of his time to helping poor kids in DC. An alum the Bearcats can be proud of!
I was at Rutgers when OSU and UC ruled the College BB world, then went to UC for Law School. One of my best friends in Law School played for Loyola, the team that beat UC in OT going for the Threepeat. We had 5 straight Final Fours.
 
I think they would struggle a bit more in today's game.

The speed, size, and agility of the average player is much greater today than it was in the 60s. Plus, the physicality of the game has increased considerably. That doesn't mean they'd be anything close to "average" - but I don't think their stats would be as gaudy as they were in the late 60s with today's rules/gameplay.

No one in the NCAA has averaged 30 ppg over a season since 1997 (30.1), and only two have done it since 1992. By contrast, from 1955-75, only one scoring leader dipped below 30 ppg (to a paltry 29.5).

Was curious to see what might have caused the dropoff, so I looked up the NCAA rule change history.

Looks like 1972 had some significant changes.... free throw was eliminated on the first 6 common fouls of each half (rescinding a rule from 1957), and refs were given the ability to call fouls away from the ball for holding, grabbing, and illegal screens. Then in 1982, the 5 second rule was instituted for a closely-guarded player. Then in 1985, the shot clock was introduced. And in 1986, the 3 point shot was introduced

I think the changes from 72-85 benefited the defense quite a bit before the advent of the 3-point shot. How many of Maravich's points came off of what today would be considered an illegal screen? How many of his points came off of free throws on common fouls (looking at his stats, he shot a lot more free throws than anyone shoots today), or after being face-guarded more than 5 seconds, or after the shot clock would have expired?

Those players would still be tremendous talents... it's just that the gap between the elite and the average has shrunk a bit more today than it was 50 years ago, and the rules in place today would limit them a bit more than they were. Maravich might be in that 28-32 ppg range, rather than the 44-45 ppg range, for instance.
 
A guy like Lew Alcindor would be dominant in any era. a 7'2'' dude with a skyhook would not be stopped today.

Maravich I'm not so sure. Guards are so physical and quick now that I think he would be harassed more. Of course, he would still be a great player but not as dominant.
 
Wonder how someone like Calvin Murphy from Niagara who had over 2,500 points, would have done today?
 
How about Bobby Lloyd at Rutgers and Bill Bradley at Princeton with the 3 point shot?
 
Originally posted by TDIrish1:

With the 3 ball he would have had 3500.

Rick Mount may have had 4000.
With moving screens and fouls off the ball being called, how often would they have been as open? And how many of those shots would have come after the shot clock expired, or after being face guarded for more than 5 seconds? How many FTs did he make on non-shooting fouls that wouldn't be shot today (as many as 12 points per game as the improbable statistical max, but he did shoot far more free throws than anyone does today).

Can't just add one rule and not all the others.
 
all you have to do is look at old clips from back then.

game is more physical today - no defense back then. Athletes today , as compareed , are more physically stronger (the difference is very obvious).
 
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