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Awful awful awful job against the zone.

Why were we not feeding the ball into the fouline area to collapse the zone? Passing around the perimeter is not how you break a zone.

Finally at about the 6 minute mark Eugene got the ball a few times but other than that we just passed the ball around the perimeter the whole 2nd half.
 
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our last basket was the Williams three with 2:15 left
sanders 3 free throws after that at about 47 seconds
how many possessions did we have in that last 2:14?
 
With the absence of consistent shooters Rutgers has no margin for error even against Stony Brook and Hartford.Its difficult to mask the lack of talent and its unacceptable to watch two straight seasons where Hartford was the equal of Rutgers.
 
ScarletKid2008 said:
I cringed at everyone of those slow lobs over the top from guard to guard.. which seemed to be our attempted answer (completely useless to throw that pass) but was just a turnover into a layup waiting to happen.
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this was in the first half...it bugged me big time, no reason for it...you have run some other kind of offensive set. We are so stagnent with terrible spacing
 
Two words for attacking their zone: Short corner.

Tonight was an abomination.
 
The zone was a flexing/mutable 1-3-1, not a CYO 1-3-1. Biggest factor was that Mike and Corey were short relative to Hartford high defenders so passes were lobscagainst which
D could recover.
 
We've seen a 1-3-1 a few times this year, the ways to attack it do not change. We were surprised and never adjusted. They thought they should have beaten us last year, just a little payback. As for Pikiel, it's becoming evident why he was stuck at Stony Brook for 10 years.
 
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zebnatto said:
The zone was a flexing/mutable 1-3-1, not a CYO 1-3-1. Biggest factor was that Mike and Corey were short relative to Hartford high defenders so passes were lobscagainst which
D could recover.
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Oh No a Flexing/Mutable defense...what to do. LOL
 
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Degaz-RU said:
Yup, never adjusted to the 1-3-1 zone.
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You adjust to it by shooting from the outside. Of course if your roster is full of players unable to do that you essentially are screwed. That is, Rutgers basketball 2017-2018.
 
Anyone else getting Gary Waters flashbacks? Remember how he started strong and then started piling up head scratching loses?
 
We could do nothing against the 1-3-1 because all our passes were lobs. Those are the passs you throw the time you’re first teaching the 1-3-1 defense to kids so the have time to react and understand the rotation. They’re not going to gain you anything.
 
This is VERY simple. When you can’t shoot and your MO is to win games by defense and hustle then you can literally lose to anyone on any night. It is the problem with building a team that way. Which is why I have said for years that until we have 4 classes in a row of top 150 players we have nothing. It is all about talent.
 
Everybody knows better recruiting is the only way to show lasting improvement.Rutgers lacks power conference talent and the end result has been embarrassing losses at the RAC .Over time all the losing seasons just blur together because fans no longer are surprised in what happens against teams like Stony Brook and Hartford.
 
BOGDANOVICH said:
Evidently Pikiell is not the coaching genius some
thought he was.
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The guy took a no name Canadian who couldn't dribble and turned him into a starting caliber player by his second year. The guy is a genius..he just needs HIS players. If he can get that type of growth out of an unrecruited player, imagine what he'll do with his highly rated players.
 
AshCatchEm said:
The guy took a no name Canadian who couldn't dribble and turned him into a starting caliber player by his second year. The guy is a genius..he just needs HIS players. If he can get that type of growth out of an unrecruited player, imagine what he'll do with his highly rated players.
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That fits your narrative. Blame what we know to change.

This loss was on the coaching staff and HIS players and Freeman.
 
Greene Rice FIG said:
That fits your narrative. Blame what we know to change.

This loss was on the coaching staff and HIS players and Freeman.
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He had exactly to years of his players..Eugene is a promising sophomore and baker is one of the more promising freshmen in the big ten..along with mamadou who is trying to take on 21 year olds. His players are not the veterans.. It's on the veterans to win the games like this.

So yes it does for the narrative because the narrative is exactly what is going on. We have a bunch of veterans who have years of bad habits from Eddie who can't get their shit together and won't be missed when they leave. You can only teach a group of poor shooters so much..they will still be poor shooters. Eddie had little as far as an eye for getting guys who would be able to shoot the damn ball at this level (rounded it out with an arrogant player like Corey)
 
RUJMM78 said:
Everybody knows better recruiting is the only way to show lasting improvement.Rutgers lacks power conference talent and the end result has been embarrassing losses at the RAC .Over time all the losing seasons just blur together because fans no longer are surprised in what happens against teams like Stony Brook and Hartford.
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I don’t know that everyone knows that. MANY people think it is more coaching. People said we should recruit outside the top 150 and get guys with good character that fit a system. Actually I think more people believed it was coaching than talent.
 
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My teams ran something similar to this against a 1-3-1. We always put our best shooter down in the corner. Problem for us is we have no one who is our best shooter.


As with any zone offense, you attack the D in the gaps. Against the 1-3-1 my teams always attacked from the Wings similar to what MSU does in video.
 
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Souf replacing Nigel hurts. Absolutely no guard depth. Still a head scratcher.

And he refuses to play one of our centers for a significant stretch opting for Eugene at PF and Freeman at Center. This kills us late.
 
AshCatchEm said:
He had exactly to years of his players..Eugene is a promising sophomore and baker is one of the more promising freshmen in the big ten..along with mamadou who is trying to take on 21 year olds. His players are not the veterans.. It's on the veterans to win the games like this.

So yes it does for the narrative because the narrative is exactly what is going on. We have a bunch of veterans who have years of bad habits from Eddie who can't get their shit together and won't be missed when they leave. You can only teach a group of poor shooters so much..they will still be poor shooters. Eddie had little as far as an eye for getting guys who would be able to shoot the damn ball at this level (rounded it out with an arrogant player like Corey)
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Are you in PR? If not, you should be.
 
wisr01 said:
My teams ran something similar to this against a 1-3-1. We always put our best shooter down in the corner. Problem for us is we have no one who is our best shooter.
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As with any zone offense, you attack the D in the gaps. Against the 1-3-1 my teams always attacked from the Wings similar to what MSU does in video.
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The 2 Wing players for Rutgers shot 75% and 40% from 3 last night. Pike should’ve played them together, both Thiam & Williams.
 
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S_Janowski said:
Awful awful awful job against the zone.

Why were we not feeding the ball into the fouline area to collapse the zone? Passing around the perimeter is not how you break a zone.

Finally at about the 6 minute mark Eugene got the ball a few times but other than that we just passed the ball around the perimeter the whole 2nd half.
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I never got a chance to see the game (I'm in So-Cal) because I was busy cleaning out our garages, but had my mobile phone on. I was flabbergasted. Literally flabbergasted as the game wound down. I think when Williams hit a 3 and we went up 2 late in the game, I thought we would pull this out. I was so pissed, I decided to stay away from this site, because I know I would have said something awful in anger.

But when I read in the article in NJ.com that we only shot 50% from the FT line (42% against Stony Brook) that really pisses me off. These are college kids on scholarship who have been playing the game practically the majority of their lives. I'm in my fifties now and I can assure you that I could step to the line cold and still make at least 6 out of ten FT's. That's just disgusting to me.

And to the OP, I agree with you regarding the coaching staff. I love Pikiell and I think he's going to bring us to the top of the mountain, but after the Seton Hall victory, I wonder if he too got a little too full of himself as well as his staff. How do you not adjust to a 1-3-1 zone? He's too good of a coach to not adjust knowing his team shoots so poorly from the outside. It's a day later and I'm still really angry at this one, even more so than the Stony Brook loss, although that loss was as much of a head scratcher as this one.
 
bac2therac said:
are you forgetting about Jackson State
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True, but that’s one game. Freddie could be counted on against the likes of FDU and other weak sisters in the final minute. Didn’t make him a good coach, but you must beat the cupcakes at home on the schedule at a minimum.

I am all in on Pike, but his team should never lose the last 2 games..

I still say that outside of Freeman our big men are terrible. Just look at the stat lines for most of those guys. But it’s all we’ve got right now. We look to be far away from competitive in the B1G.
 
wisr01 said:
My teams ran something similar to this against a 1-3-1. We always put our best shooter down in the corner. Problem for us is we have no one who is our best shooter.
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As with any zone offense, you attack the D in the gaps. Against the 1-3-1 my teams always attacked from the Wings similar to what MSU does in video.
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nice find.
 
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